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She's really not a fault. She's just a kid being manipulated and kept in the dark by everyone around her. Let's go easy on her.

I hate her because she's so naive. And she's also written very annoyingly. She has no dimension except 'kind' and 'angelic' and it's so annoying. Also I don't know if it's just me but I think she's written as this pure and perfect being who just wants to have a ~family~ and sing and dance and hold hands and leap towards the horizon so she can serve as a redemption arc for her real father. She had no hardships as far as I remember, she was raised with a lot of privilege and because she was going to be a trump card with the royal family she was definitely not ill treated or anything. Or atleast I don't remember it. So there's just this privileged moron who wants things and goes around shitting rainbows without realising actions have fucking consequences.

I agree with you

she comes across as an awkward and naive child whos trying to do things but is being manipulated into going the wrong way more than being angelic. and her father doesnt exactly love her so i dont think he will ever change.

Well, it's for two reasons. The first one is because her feelings are based on the feelings that she had on the first timeline. She kept loving him despite everyting he did to her and even saved him while he did nothing to deserve it. The second is that his feelings are purely based on the fact that she changed and now suit his taste better. What would have happened if she had stayed the same, even more so when she was fine in the first place? There is no reason to believe that he would have cared for her. Quite the contrary, there is a lot a reasons to believe that he would have not be that far from First Ruve toward her. Ergo, she had to change for him not to turn into her enemy or even possibly her abuser. It's a "love conquere all", 'My pure feelings will save and change him" type of story, when the abuse was so atrocious that their second chance should have been based on new grounds not remaining feelings.

Actually, the only reason why he acted coldly towards her at the beginning of this timeline was because everyone was praising her and saying he wasn't working hard enough. Even his own father acted like this towards him. But after she unwittingly proved that she was actually doing the work to back up everyone's claims, he became interested in her. I don't really understand you saying that he's only interested now because she's changed when he had no idea what she was like before she went back in time. There are context clues to suggest that even the first Ruve was being poisoned and that caused him to act aggressively. Of course, that doesn't excuse his behavior, but this story and the forgotten empress are very similar in that regard. If you've read it, you understand. Jiuen, like Rashta, came in and pretty much pushed Aristia out of her position even if she wasn't in that position out of love. And like Rashta, Jiuen manipulated Ruve to get what she wanted. He genuinely fell in love with her in this timeline not just because she suddenly suited his taste, but because she proved herself time and time again, and he acknowledged her. But, you are entitled to your opinion and I'm simply stating mine.

I can't disagree with you more.

- There is a lot of clues that he would not have liked First Tia. It's not her stong side that he likes in the second timeline but purely her sensible side (it's super clear in his POV). She is the "new Ji-eun", very emotional and ready to lower herself to the point of letting herself be humiliated by the Princesses to get away from him. First Ruve and Second Ruve are the same at their core, reason why he already hated her at the beggining of the second timeline without needing to be poisoned. The way he treated Ji-eun in the second timeline (that would be spoiler but you will understand what I mean if you have read the novel) show that he share a lot of similarities with First Ruve. Tia is not only the new Ji-eun. In a lot of aspects Ji-eun is the new Tia too. If he was really interested because he is not prejudicied anymore, realized his mistakes and appreciated her efforts, why did it take him so many time to act like a decent person? He neglected her after putting her into a comatose state and only acted when she became even better by constantly showing her sensible side (her unknowingly making him believe that she care about her mother their next meeting was the first step).

- First Ruve hated her beyond the poison and lies because of his inferiority complex and jalousy. He was not this way just because he was poisoned. It came from him. It was made clear at the beggining of the second timeline. All his growth is purely based and her having PTSD and opening herself. It's not an alternative world, time was just forced back . Ergo, he would have remainined the same without caring to try to understand to know his own fiancee better. And cherry in top, in the second timeline, in the comatose scene he was 16 years old and her 11 or 12. He was completly prejudicied toward a child as almost and adult of all things.

I def disagree with both your logic, one her changing how she behaved in general is why the outcome also changed, lets not forget her and ruve relationship, isn't the only one that's different, which is why your logic is flawed. Her behavior was what resulting in the outcome of her relationship in both timelines, and that is especially true with her and her father relationship, which wasn't close nor affectionate in the first timeline, but the complete opposite now... Everything has a cause and effect and this timeline is simply just a product of her changed attitude and behavior, so of course he would also have a changed attitude and behavior, it really not complicated... and I definitely don't think anything is the result of feelings from the previous timeline other than her reluctance to accept his feelings out of fear for the same outcome, I highly doubt she even genuinely loved him in the first timeline, because she didn't even really know him, and I think she's realizing that now...

I agree that they did not "love" each other in the first timeline. They did not even truly know each other. That goes for both Tia and Ruve. For the rest however:

- That does not invalidate the fact that the reason she even saw him as a love interest is because she never got over those "feelings" for him. Before he even did anything, when she still taught that he was taking the same path, she was already wondering herself if they are not fated to be after all, if he care about her even a little and so on. It's those feelings that completly washed away the trauma and made her overlook Allen and Carsein. And she clearly can't differentiate the two Ruve after all, even if the novel, since she is constantly making comparaisons even after the "happy even after". Their relationship in not based on new grounds at all: he is not the ne who saved her, he is not the one who helped her cure the trauma and so on. In fact, he was more of an antagonist.He gace her no reason to even care for him. Ergo, it's clearly based on the the first timeline.

- Yes, her change of character is what made him change his behavior toward her. But we did not make the same conclusion from that. As you said, he changed because she changed first; Meaning that he would have been prejudicied and targeted her (and he actually did in the second timeline too as a adult of all things) if she had not changed herself. Problem: everythting he hold against her had actually little to do with herself or was in fact pure prejudice. And why? Primarly because of prejudice and inferiority complex. If he took him her changing to behave decently, and he did even decently before being attracted to her, then he is not that far from first Ruve. And, let's be real, the way he treated the Princesses and Ji-eun is very close to the kind of pitty things that First Ruve pulled.

Julien is the new artisia and vice versa.The blue head the centre of attention all over again no change for him.

Ikr,if your abusive,cheating,rapist husband who kills you only family tells you that he did so because he was drugged and he is a changed man now because you are much more appealing than you were earlier,would you give him another chance??
She's so stupid.But then fl will always fall for the man with most power and in a kingdom it could only be the crown prince.It is a trend I've seen in all reincarnation s that I've read.Amongst all guys you know she will end up with the most well-off one.