At the end of the day, the author will speculate if it was rape or not by giving proof(or maybe writing in jk’s pov since most of it was in Dan’s pov).
And congratulations to those who professionally handled this debate peacefully. You are in fact amazing people. Our comments show what type of people we are. Our actions and words define who we truly are.
You are blessed.♡
Helpmelmao. You are defending rape. You are defending rape to be in the story from your pov.
You are the rape defender.
It doesn’t work to call us rape defenders from your pov when we don’t and the story doesn’t have that pov. It is an illogical argument. It is your beliefs of defending rape in the story and believing rape is in the story. It is not there. Your comments are disgusting.
Now I wished I didn’t act like some of them. It is so cruel and cringeworthy. I was trying to reach them to show them their comments are disgusting attacks and not comments of debates.
I tried different tactics but they are only here to harass others. They don’t care about the story. If they did, their points were not be so off and it will not be focused on us.
So, not all my comments do define me. Lol.
But thanks
These comments only proved who are insecure and hateful here. These are attacks. helpmelmao your topic is a gaslighting immature attack desperately describing yourself. By denying a rape survivor being a rape survivor you are a rape apologist by definition. Why would she fake it. Not many do.
By definition you and your trolling friends’s comments are attacking. Period. Your comment shows who the snowflakes are.
I am going to add a quote. It is religious but try to understand.
“Just because I don’t worship your particular god, doesn’t mean I worship your particular Satan. Satan is part of your delusion. Not mine.”
I don’t believe in Satan. It is hilarious when people use Satan on me. Let’s change this quote to fit here: just because I don’t believe your particular pov, doesn’t mean I believe your particular beliefs. Rape in the story is your delusion. Not mine.
You calling us rape defenders is hilarious but sad as it degrades you. You are attacking me with your pov and I don’t share your pov to be offended. 5 days and no one has learned your attacks degrade yourself and are meaningless here?
Affirmative.
Helpmelmao, you degrade yourself so much without you even realizing it. I'm 100% sure you will give another flimsy reply just to make yourself feel better. Inflicting insults on people is hereby very sadistic on your part. And dang, do you cuss a lot. That one already defines who you are in real life. Lmao.
Manhwa, blocking them doesn’t stop the communication. He degrades himself there. I don’t want to talk to him. That was the point of the block and marking him as a bad faith person. His attacks are meaningless but to exposes himself to being the cowardly bully he is that can’t handle his emotions. He is running scared. If he can’t understand that quote about religion and Satan than I doubt his analysis skills on interpreting this story. His opinion is irrelevant by his degradation of himself.
He feels it necessary to be cruel.
But do go on.
Oh? You're female? Sorry about that, I guess I should rephrase it.
“Completely agree with you. She's proven herself to us. Her loss.”
Cussing is very inelegant when it comes to dealing with something professionally. I guess you're used to it but that's okay because you will be the one to face the significances.
Peace and have a nice day.♡
If you want to have a constructive debate with someone, the last thing you want to do is to insult them or resort to name calling because that usually makes your opponent go into attack or defensive mode and from that point on, anything you say is considered invalid in their mind. If you want to convince someone you’re right, calling them an rape apologist or saying their opinion is something the should seek professional help on isn’t the way to do it.
These people resort to name-calling and attacks because they lost, and they know it. They have no more logical arguments and are now just hoping that name calling and attacks will get them favourable opinions from their party. Because they are full of ego, childish, impulsive, and self centered. People have become outrageously defensive and aggressive in our culture.
On some level they know they have lost and are upset about it. They know they can’t win the debate with logic. When people have no rational arguments, they resort to ad hominem attacks.
people who resort to emotional attacks throw the other person or persons off balance. If the other person fights back emotionally, the original person quickly uses that to say they can't discuss it anymore because ther other person has gotten emotional. Using emotions is a coward's manipulative move.
Then they lost at being able to control themselves or take criticism. They got upset and returned those insults thinking it would have the same results but failed. Monkey see, monkey do. They failed to see the results were not the same. They lost as soon as they misused rape apologist.
Is jk still considered a rapist?
If u want I can give u the definition of rape and within the first chapters you’ll find more than 1 in there.
Rape-
The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the CONSENT of the victim.
This can come in all forms. You can be raped will already having intercourse with another and wanting to stop and saying “stop/no, etc” but the other person doesn’t and continues going. This has happened multiple times in this manhua. Yes Dan is getting payed but he still has the right over his body..he can still say no. However J continues without Dans consent of letting him, Dan continuously also gets hurt during the intercourse it’s just wrong and Jaek doesn’t care.
“Is he still considered a rapist”
First of all even in the recent chapters he has not stopped abusing Dan sexually. Even if he were to “calm down” a rapist is always a rapist. Nothing erases the fact that he has more than once hurt Dan sexually and mentally
You can’t call him a rapist. Did you read Tora’s posts?
Oh I am trying to be like you guys.
No you fucking shit head stop attacking people for attention that is asking harmless god damn questions you fuckass! I have to force my pov.
It is rape and he is rapist or I am having a meltdown on people.
If you say yes. Be scared each time you have sex.
Hi sorry, my fingers hurt so I'll just send a link that you desperately need to view. Thanks.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14221234/
Torakaze (another reader but he is with his family on a cruise): Is it rape? It comes close to rape. It is toxic but I don’t feel comfortable saying it is rape.
But if you say it is. Joe isn’t a rapist- look at from his side without knowing Dan’s thoughts or why he needs the money. If we call him a rapist then anyone can be a rapist at any given time and on someone’s thoughts?? I would be paranoid.
Joo wants sex. He is paying for sex like has been doing. If you think rape is sex - seek professional help. Dan consented to him and keeps consenting. They have a contract in chapter 6. He does say stop or no. Some no’s are answering questions but next he is consenting again. He is not voicing his feelings to Joo. He agreed to this. He knew. If you want to call it rape you can’t call Joo a rapist because he is clueless. As a rape crisis counselor it does come close to rape at times but the next scene changes it. As a whole of what is there no but if we add thoughts… but then in the real world wouldn’t we all be trouble
-yes judge I told him yes.
Yes judge I told him to put it in.
Yes I said no but I told him to go gentle after.
However I was thinking I don’t want this. I wanted to be done. I wanted him to stop as I verbally gave him consent, even after I took it away. Then judge I agree to a contract to have sex with him at anytime he wanted too. I am saying I am rape because I was thinking I didn’t want to.
The ones saying rape is harming real rape survivors. Joo is toxic but you got to look he stopped when he was crying and did stop at one of the times Dan said stop in their first time. Joo wants sex not rape. Rape is about power and control. I wonder if the author will have it revealed Dan don’t enjoy and Dan lied the first night to him a few times. Joo isn’t going to happy. Joo thinks Dan was had experience but Dan was an inexperienced virgin.
With all the facts from the story if you want to call it rape that is your opinion. With all the facts, Joo is not a rapist. Go back and read it without reading Dan’s thoughts. Read it as if you are in the room or Joo. Pay attention to Joo, especially when Dan is crying. Now we can talk about SA.
Hey I am more aligned with the story. Don’t like it don’t attack me. Remember to be civil and every one can have an opinion even if it is different from yours. Stop the absolute BS it is your opinion or be called a rape apologist and seek professional help that is just immature and insecure in your opinion. (Many attacked a rape survivor saying this wasn’t rape. It was disgusting to watch.)
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He has something else. I am still digging. I know he is working on something else.
This is from skully’s post ( is it dubcon or noncon)
To those of you claiming this manhwa is RAPE or Jk is a rapist; Feel free to elaborate your points, let me try to comprehend because I still cannot see it as rape. Don't be shy. Expose your opinions and your true self.
Anyone?
bro what the fuck, rape means non consensual, almost (every every) every scene is non-consensual to the point where kim dan has to punch jaekshit to literally flee. theres no exposing opinions here its fucking facts. and if you dont see this as rape your messed up as shit, god damn. you could not get more stupider than this. this generation, ladies and gentlemen.
If you have to lie - you have no argument. “Almost every scene is non-consensual.” Almost all is consensual but a few scenes.
It is see your false opinion or they are messed up because we can understand the story better than you? That is messed up and not respecting others. You can have your disgusting fantasy but don’t attack others for not believing what you do. You are talking about yourself at the end. Have a civil conversation.
Stop forcing your pov on others. Be respectful.
Don't try arguing. They all don't wanna communicate They keep saying everyone that disagrees with them is a liar and that they're the only one that is right for some reason.
And they'll say that you're the liar and that you're the one upset when really, they're projecting.
Remember to drink water today
Joe isn’t a rapist- look at him from his side without knowing Dan’s thoughts or why he needs the money. If we call him a rapist, then anyone can be a rapist at any given time and in someone’s thoughts?? I would be paranoid.
Joo wants sex. He is paying for sex like he has been doing. If you think rape is sex - seek professional help. Dan consented to him and kept consenting. They have a contract in chapter 6. He does say stop or no. Some no’s are answering questions but next he is consenting again. He is not voicing his feelings to Joo. He agreed to this. He knew. If you want to call it rape, you can’t call Joo a rapist because he is clueless. As a rape crisis counselor, it does come close to rape at times, but the next scene changes it. As a whole, what is there no but if we add thoughts… but then in the real world wouldn’t we all be trouble
- Yes, judge, I told him yes.
Yes, judge, I told him to put it in.
Yes, I said no but I told him to go gentle after.
However, I was thinking, I didn’t want this. I wanted it to be done. I wanted him to stop as I verbally gave him consent, even after I took it away. Then judge, I agree to a contract to have sex with him at anytime he wanted to. I am saying I am raped because I was thinking I didn’t want to.
The ones saying rape is harming real rape survivors. Joo is toxic but you see, he stopped when he was crying and did stop at one of the times Dan said stop in their first time. Joo wants sex not rape. Rape is about power and control. I wonder if the author will have it revealed Dan didn’t enjoy it and Dan lied to him the first night a few times. Joo isn’t going to happy. Joo thinks Dan had experience, but Dan was an inexperienced virgin.
With all the facts from the story, if you want to call it rape, that is your opinion. With all the facts, Joo is not a rapist. Go back and read it without reading Dan’s thoughts. Read it as if you are in the room or Joo. Pay attention to Joo, especially when Dan is crying.
Sir donewithyo
Arguing? You just discredit yourself. Manhwaspicy is asking for a civil conversation. I have responded in a civil conversation. HELPMELMAO’s reply was an insult and an attack. They don’t want to argue. They want to be right. They and you don’t want to communicate. You are just lying about the conversation. It has nothing to do with you disagreeing with us. It is you lying about situations and the us. That would be you you are talking about. We are only telling you the POV of the story. We can’t change. Not sorry it is a different POV from yours. I am not trying to be right. If you don’t like to be called a liar, then stop lying, as you just lied about most things. We projected nothing.
That is troll talk that you cannot troll these people.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14207735/
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Sir donewithyoshit July 28, 2023 11:38 pm
“You have spread lies too. You keep commenting on other's strangers comments and spreading the drama to those who don't need it. That is childish and petty. Don't drag others into this.”
Who is speading lies? Who is commenting on other's strangers comments and spreading the drama to those who don't need it. That is childish and petty. Don't drag others into this.
Manhwaspicy, they think you are apart of our friends circle or something when you only had a few comments to my friends on the threads. They are confused.
Tora = being truthful
Sir = using Tora’s words.
Did Tora use projecting on you. No. Can’t you handle multiple accounts and keep them straight? It is so funny using Tora’s words against him as he said it only works when it is true. It must had be true to use it in a false claim because it pissed you off so much you forgot which account Tora said that too. Lmao.
by every scene, i meant every scene to do with the intercourse?? and what part of my saying was my “disgusting fantasy”? you really dont make sense, this is pure common sense, i cant believe your defending such a person. its morally wrong to think that rape is normal. your no different. they asked for it, i gave them it.
even if it was contractual, its not like kim dan wanted to have sex with jaeshit, hes only doing it for the sake of the money and his grandma, he still goes through shit even when hes doing it willingly, jaeshit is fucked up anyways wanting to do things to such extend even as i said, even if it is contractual. it isnt a good enough excuse to call jaeshit “clueless” hes is a grown ass man and your telling me that he can differentiate sex and rape?? bffr. your telling me to reread that shit without dans thoughts?? so your just disregarding his feelings and pain, as if it was just nothing to begin with, your kidding, right?
By the way, wasn't there a scene where Dan didn't wanted to do it anymore and wanted to leave? But instead Jae threatened him and said "dont think ill send you home safe and sound"? Did you forget that? Did you forget how he smashed that dudes face into the wall? You still think Dan consented? Please elaborate how that wasn't rape.
You made an attack and you are making it rape = you crave it to be rape. Tora gets triggered like you do on rape but on real rape cases. He can differentiate between fantasies and real-life. He protects the survivor and seek justice for the rapist. To him he doesn’t see rape and you are making it, your disgusting delusional fantasy= rape. He was saying he hates rape, like normal people do.
Was he defending him? Wake up! He does not think rape is normal.
Hello he just called you adding rape to story a disgusting fantasy.
You are no different from how you are attacking others. No one asked for it. That is delusional. Since you gave it them you are no better than a rapist. You just “rape” them of your false opinion on a story. No deserves what you did. Let’s say Joo is better as Least he is will get a character redemption arc and be better and you will be treated people worst than he does on a opinion on a story that the story doesn’t hold.
I have read dark stories like Dispar for a long time. Jinx lacks lots of that darkness. Dispar is rape and the uke is in love with the seme.
Hogu Hagyeongsu - rape
Kiraide Isasete - rape
Caste haven - rape
Mob for Jack - rape
Maki-chan wa Kare to Sex Shitai - rape
falling alpha enigma the fourth bath - rape
harami bara - rape
abarenbo_honey - rape
Under grand hotel - rape
I wouldn’t call jinx rape
Stop attacking others. No one deserves it.
They say we are raping them when we attacked and trolling them. ****.
It wasn’t about the disagreement. I told them that over and over but one brain cell is space and the other is on vacation.
You misunderstood his points and being overdramatic. You are taking this way out of context.
How about you drop the shit and find another shit. This shit isn’t meant for you. It is a story. He is a character. It is not real.
Bro, he threatened him once he won't send him home safe and sound if he doesn't have sex with him. A dudes face was SMASHED into a wall. You STILL think Dan had a choice here? Yeah, to get bloodied up by a champion boxer or have sex. Seems like Dan REALLY had a choice to leave, huh? Jaeckass clearly isn't a rapist, right? And when he was called to his home once, why did Jaeckass lie? Why didn't he said the truth and admit he wants sex? Seems like he planned to force him into it.
Fine.
Do you know what the problem is? The problem is those who fail to read a comic properly. I've seen a lot of comments where people say it's “dubcon” “jk threatened Dan to sign the contract” “Dan is in no position to reject the contract” “jk is a rapist” “blah blah blah”.
There are things you have to observe while reading a comic. I advise everyone to go back and reread the chapters involving the agreement carefully.
Dan is a 29-year-old man who is grown enough to make decisions for himself. Yes, he is mild and appears to have low self-esteem but that does not excuse the fact that he would be stupid enough to not know what he was getting himself into. I still can't see how jk threatened him to agree. The same jk who specifically said at the beginning of the agreement, “If you're not willing, I’d better find somebody else.” he was literally calling another one of his whores to replace Dan. And in that moment, Dan was thinking if he should agree to it, “Can I really do this? There is no way I would find this huge amount of money anywhere. Besides, it's only for the night and after that, it'll all be over.” The guy knew what he was up against, so he persuaded jk that he was willing to agree to it. He sold his body in exchange for money. Jk never threatened him! Read the chapter carefully! Gosh! What are you people even reading for you to not understand something as obvious as this?
The problem also is Dan who doesn't always VOICE his thoughts. Jk was clearly oblivious to how Dan was suffering. He didn't even know the guy was suffering because the so-called physical therapist AKA Dan LIED that he was experienced. Why did he lie? It's clearly his fault for getting such abuse from jk. Jk is rough in bed, this is basically how he treats all his sex partners and jk just assumed that Dan was one of them since he lied that he was experienced.
You all NEED to look at it from BOTH perspectives.
Even in a court, it won't even be referred to as RAPE.
RAPE is a very harsh language and this MANHWA doesn't have any of it.
Another point: Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is. Dig deeper and understand the context.
Also, jk is a real piece of shit too.
Dan was harassed not raped. I'm talking about the time with the doctor from his previous workplace. Therefore, Dan lied that he was experienced(having sex)(intercourse).
Not everyone is the same, mind you. It still doesn't excuses the fact that he lied.
There's a correct way to read it, observe the expressions carefully, “the dilated pupils” “blush” “the blue blush that describes horror” “parted lips” “widened lips in the form of screaming” There are so many others.
The gestures and the dialogue too. They all have meanings and should be highly considered.
Mind you, I'm not trying to support jk. I'm looking at it from both perspectives. Jk’s intention wasn't to threaten Dan at all. Be in jk’s shoes at that specific moment, he has a jinx and he has to have sex to win, all he cares about is his tournament for the next day. He was restless and angry that someone was wasting his time and I believe it was quite late for him to be having sex presuming that he had to sleep and be lively for the match.
Yes, jk lied to Dan about coming over for therapy but in his thoughts, he knew Dan wouldn't have come if he said he wanted to have sex. And I agree that was messed up too.
Dan the time to think. He DID. Jae was literally going ahead to CALL another one of his whore to replace Dan. Dan knew he needed the money, he knew, he's not a child. He knew what he was getting himself into. Omg
The poor guy, I'm sad for him.
I also kinda wish he had friends to advise him out of the agreement the second time he signed that contract of the whenever wherever :(
Seems like you need to reread it and read slower to let your brain process what just happened. Why did Jae say he won't let him go home safe and sound when Dan changed his mind? At that exact moment there wasn't any consent anymore. Lmao, even rapist can get no consequences in court since it's corrupted so you are at least right on that.
Well, when people are in a situation like Dan, there a not a lot of alternatives you can take since there are money collectors who want to kill and apparently rape you. I am sure we can at least agree on this point and find common ground. I apologize for my first sentence in my other comments, was kinda childish. (ʘ ʖ ʘ)
Jk obviously said that because he was annoyed. And if you noticed, he said that because Dan began changing his mind which was annoying especially after he had agreed.
I mean, if your friends had planned an outing that you really wanted to go for and then the next dying second he/she suddenly changes his/her mind. That's quite annoying and can lead you to saying harsh things, don't you think?
And what do you expect from a boxer? The whore deserved his head being smashed in the wall honestly.
Yes, this manga has lots of subtle expressions.
JJ mainly just say 「…….」when apparently he is feeling something toward Dan and readers are supposed to dig and feel.
Very common in Asian Manga and drama.
I am having fan guessing and imagining.
If those scenes are skipped the story looks quite shallow? Maybe?
I believe this manga is targeted for quite mature age reader.
However, how readers read manga is up to them.
Just my opinion…
You called him a snowflake, that means you are. Seeing your insults and insecurities in your reply, you are defining yourself.
When you judge others, you don’t define them, you define yourself. Everything you said about him, was about you. He isn’t the one with the problems. He isn’t attacking you for seeing rape in the story. You are attacking him for not seeing rape in the story. It is your pov there is rape, you attack us to force us to see rape, and it is because you want it be rape. We find it cringeworthy that you want it to be rape and forcing that into that fantasy you conducted. We are not the snowflakes here.
You should care about you attacking others. It is sadistic to not care.
In that comment you said you can’t handle a conversation. You insulted him and lost. Where have you argued? You have only attacked to be right in having rape in a story that many don’t see. It is your fantasy you are fighting for.
It's so obvious now. Kids are reading this manhwa and commenting like as if this is the only book that's this toxic. They are just trying to start unnecessary drama. I just hope all the hateful comments does not get to Mingwa...likee Broo the hate is so unnecessary at this point. If you don't like this story...LEAVEEEEE...its that simple brooo...fkk leaveeee
ITS JUST A BOOK....chilllllllllllllllllll
Y'all so dramatic lol.
It's the fact that y'all are trying to rush the book, talking about no character development, this that, bro we haven't even gone anywhere in the book and y'all are complaining??? Tffff
Rape? I have repeating this times without number, go and educate yourself on consent and approval.
And if this is your first bl manhwa, soryy for you, you have no fk right to say shit!
It is rape, i think youre the one who needs a re-education on what consent is because Dan has asked Jaehyuk to stop multiple times and Jaehyuks response? Intimidation and threatening violence if he keeps 'doing what he wants'. Even the Paraphiliac up in the comments said that this is a "normal rape troupe". Everyone has freedom of speech juat like nohody is stopping you from saying what you want nobody can stop me. Other than well, the mods . definetly get your concerns about minors on this website though, people who call themselves a 'fujoshi' are usually little ass girls
If you want to read it, you can check yaoi manga online. Let me put the link.
https://yaoimangaonline.com/jinx-by-mingwa-eng/32/
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