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I know, why is the author still including Siwon, send him back home. Let Jinha and Xuan do their thing. What's the point of including this grown arse man child who punches people, glasses, has tantrums, cries when he doesn't get his way, rejects, demeans, is xenophobic, insecure, self pitying, blames others, and is upset that he thinks he's no longer being chased by two men who he has never conveyed he likes or loves for the entire plot.

But you have to be in Siwon's point of view too before judging him

This^! And even the way he says "don't trust me, you'll just get hurt. Again and again" looks like he doesn't WANT to hurt Bum! He's fighting it, but he's already fallen, now he's scared he'll fuck things up.

that's what most abusers feel later on...

Are you that same anon?

Even the policeman himself realizes how rash he is in making the decisions. :(

hmmm, that makes a lot of sense. Sungho x Dohyun is very obviously rape because of that.

But I think Dohyun x Sungho was also rape. Dohyun appeared to give Sungho a choice, but he chose Sungho because he knew Sungho wouldn't say "no". He knew Sungho was isolated, and would rather have a friend that is only using him for sex, than to have no friend at all.
I think these situations where the perpetrator "lets" the victim have a choice, or leads the victim to blame themselves is the most damaging.

Dohyun at least can recognize that he's very obviously the victim, since he was kidnapped, chained and beaten. Often in abusive relationships, the abuser works to convince the victim that it's the victim's fault, or the victim's choice.

There are a few cop tv series episodes like this. One episode shows a football coach that sexually abuses his young, male football players. But he also gets them placed into good football programs that will give them a good future. He always chooses kids from poor situations, because he know they won't turn him down. He never outright tells them "if you don't let me touch you, I will take away your future in football", but each kid knows it. And none of them want to come forward later in life because of their shame.

And there's another episode where a female soldier is being forced into a relationship with her troupe leader (platoon leader?). He never outright says to her, if you don't sleep with me, and in-public act like your my happy girlfriend, I'll consistently assign you to the most dangerous placement in the platoon. But she and everyone else in the platoon knows that this happens to girls who turn him down, and they often get killed this way.

Sungho had a choice just like those people in SAW had a choice in which limb they'd lose. In the end, it wasn't a fair offer and whatever Sungho chose would have caused him pain.

No one deserves to be rape, even Dohyun but Dohyun took advantage of Sungho.

Comparing it to SAW is a perfect analogy. A lot of people here are saying Sungho had a choice (and defending what Dohyun did because of that). Yes. He did have a choice. But the choice was have sex with Dohyun, or lose him as a friend (and I use the term friend loosely), neither of which Dohyun wanted. So, he was forced to make what seemed like the less painful choice. Just like in SAW. Nobody wants to cut off their limbs, but you would rather lose a hand than an entire arm.

What Dohyun and Sungho had in highschool was a toxic relationship, technical legal (unlike rape), but in most cases i would argue that the relationship could be as (if not worse in some cases, because a toxic relationship lasts longer) emotionally horrible for the of a manipulated relationship victim. The length of the relationship with the elution of choice, the victim would feel more guilty over them not being "strong enough" to saying no than if they had no choice at all. (you could be the strongest person alive or like Bruce Lee and still be taken advantage of and manipulated) With the yellow eyes case we see him become a germaphobe with washing his hands and not wanting to be touched because he feels dirty.

As for MC Asshole, do i believe he was aware of how manipulated he was. Yes, but I do know think that he was trying to be ovaly malicious. I think that the relationship started out as MC Asshole feeling sorry or legit falling in hard like with yellow eyes. I would guess that the relationship got messed up once MC Asshole started to feel superior to yellow eyes. No relationship (romantic or not) is healthy if one of the partners feels superior to the other.

FYI.... Rape is still fucking terrible and some victims feel guilty for not fighting back which is silly and terrible because it is not their fault and in most cases fighting back harder then what they did would have just antagonize the attacker.

sorry to be so long winded

Wait a minute...isn't there a difference between having only two choices, factually speaking, and *THINKING* you only have two choices, psychologically speaking? Because the SAW victims, I think, were trapped in a room they couldn't get out of, and their only factual choice they had, besides choosing between the options given to them by the killer, was to kill themselves, obey the killer's orders by choosing something, or to just provoke the killer into killing them, by refusing to obey, and refusing to choose anything. But that's it...
However, it seems teen-Sungho did have more factual choices, in terms of what was and what was not factually possible for him to do. Even if he didn't consider them, or wasn't fully unaware of them at the time, he did have the factual option t to just walk out, or to go and tell someone he trusted, or... to get angry at Dohyun and yell at him until his ears rang. Granted, maybe those didn't even cross his mind, at that time... But there is a difference between someone effectively letting you have just two choices, by effectively and physically annuling all your other options, and someone only making you *think*, with words or gestures only, that you only have those two choices.

Yeah, I think you're right. I just wanna say that Dohyun did a pretty good job of making it so it wasn't obvious or outright rape (how ever you wanna look at it).

If Sungho DID want to tell someone, what would he say? "Dohyun forced himself on me!" "I WANTED to say no!" "I didn't have a choice!" "I just wanted to be his friend!" All of these sound like pitiful attempts to get even at a boyfriend who doesn't like you anymore. That's where the mental abuse is. How does Sungho tell someone else that he was a victim of rape when he can't even explain it to himself? "Maybe if i'd done this thing different... maybe he would have stayed with me..."

But Sungho knew what he did and didn't want, and he DID say "no". He just didn't have the conviction to follow through.

But yeah, i'd like to think there were other options for him, if he'd just been able to recognize them.

I don't think you're fully considering how desperate Sungho was. He had no friends whatsoever.

Human beings are social creatures. There are studies that show infants are least likely to thrive when they have little to no human contact. As we grow, we never get rid of that need. Not everyone needs to be surrounded by a crowd and some people only need to interact with others every so often but the point is, people need people.

Sungho had no one. Any sane and stable person could probably see what Dohyun was doing and decide it wasn't worth it but Sungho wasn't sane or stable. He was desperate and lonely so having contact after being left out for long was essentially the equivalent of taking drugs for the first time.

The same mechanics that caused Sungho to stick to Dohyun is the same mechanics that causes people to develope an addiction. Things like this is why people end up in abusive relationships. It's pretty haughty to look down on others and think "Why don't the just leave?" or "Why don't they just say no?" But with a little bit of understanding as to how the human mind works, when you take the time to listen to survivors of abuse you get a chance to understand how they got to where they are. At the end of the day our mind is pretty powerful and we often do what makes us feel good rather than what is good for us.

The thought of having to pleasure Dohyun was disgusting to Sungho and he didn't want to do it but he hated being lonely even more. So yeah, Sungho did have a choice but it wasn't a good choice. The real choice wasn't to fuck or not fuck but rather it was loneliness or companionship. Having to fuck to have friends is like having to fuck to breath air. No one should be put in that position.

No, it is not the same as SAW. In SAW, there is physical captivity and the looming danger of death.

Sungho could walk away with all his limbs and go on with his life, trying harder to make a new friend instead of being used.

He chose to be used. He went in there deciding being used was better than not being with Dohyunb. That's on him, sorry.

Not having a particular person as a friend is just part of life. Not everyone will want our love or desire or friendship. Being taken advantage of in the way we've seen so far (past story) is not justifying current story. It's just part of life. Sungho always could say, "Well, what I want is a friend to love, not sexual games, so....goodbye."

To say he had no choice is to say he did not have a will. He had a will. He chose to use it to go along with Dohyun. That's on Sungho. If he was demented, then he was demented. But he still had a choice.

Being an unkind person, being a careless shit is on Dohyun, but you don't imprison, torment, and rape people because they won't be your friend on your terms or because they are just crappy people.

I can sympathize with insanity and loneliness. I can't sympathize with torture when one willingly went along with what happened.

A desperate choice to meet one's own need is still a choice. And victims don't get that.

I feel that is an overdramatized, irrational comparison. Yeah, he didn't like either of his options, but that is no where near the same as being forced to lose a body part. Besides that we're comparing the inconsiderate actions of a minor, with the plotted actions of an adult. There is no comparison, yet further flash-backs could change that, between what Dohyun did and what Sungho is doing.

Or maybe he just wrapped the bandage just like he did when he cut Bum's chin opened. No stitches needed. And even though he went to hospital, no one will necessarily be suspicious of them since Sangwoo is pretty much a good liar. He can make a good story for Bum's case.

I feel like SW will just leave YB in his basement. Again.

sangwoo has cut bums chin, broke his legs and maybe other minor wounds. i dont think he would bring him to hospital because he afraid bum is dying. why would he risk himself? maybe he would just let him die or treat him like he usually does. if he cant be help, thats your fucking fault bum. if he alive, fuck you bum.

*if he dies, then cant be help...

Actually, Sangwoo broke Bum's leg after the boy discovered that he was a criminal. No feelings back then.
And so is the time he almost killed him while on that hook or any other parts of the story, until recently. I honestly think that Sangwoo, slowly, develops feelings (not really love, not yet at least, but kind of "i don't wanna let him die that much") for Bum, and I don't think he'll be that indifferent this time. Time has passed and he literally let him out, like three times (i think)
That basically means that he starts to feel like he needs the guy right? Or am I an idiot?

Oh and also
Bum did it because he feels useless, and that Sangwoo does not care about him. He kinda feels hopeless. This time, Bum did nothing wrong. thíѕ tímє. Just put yourself in his shoes. Like, when you have a person you can't live without, you tell them your story and they don't react at all, won't you feel so useless you'd want to die? I mean it depends on the person, but that's my point of view

Also sorry if my opinion is in any ways wrong, but it's just the way I see this story developing.


I am sorry i gave ya such a long response (=・ω・=)
I just felt the need to say what i think(๑•ㅂ•)و✧


bye bye now