abusive not rape
girl are you fr rn, literally it was non-consensual when Dan said he didn't want it but Jaekyung did it anyway, you need mental help
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14220904/
You have another one to add TMSM.
Dear No. There is no rape in the story. Rape is your pov. Rape is your disgusting pov you are adding.
It is not your pov or you need mental help because we understand the story.
You need professional help if you can’t handle yourself and handle people telling the truth or having different POV. Your ignorance and insecurities are showing. Stop attacking people. Respect others people telling the truth.
If you see rape. That is on you. Don’t force us into your POV.
lmaoo ok sicko, im not forcing anyone, im stating the truth, your ass is butthurt cuz i insulted the manhwa ur into, ur absolutely digusting and you're saying i'm forcing people when you're forcing me yourself, igaf if they state their opinion, so can i
You DARE to share your opinion that's different from THEM?? Tsk tsk. You should know these people apparently know ONLY the truth.
lmaoo exactly, non-consensual sex is totally not rape pookie!! you don't know the truth at all
Figures you would cower. The truth hurts doesn’t it. You only proved what I said.
The story debunks there is rape.
Rape is your pov.
So I don’t have your pov.
It is your pov or I am a sicko and disgusting.
You are showing how insecure, immature, and weak you are. I find your comments to be abusive and absolutely disgusting that you can’t accept there is no rape in the story. You have to attack others to make the truth look smaller to feel better about yourself. That is being a sicko. You are talking about yourself. You are desperately describing yourself. You are degrading yourself. Please mature and understand people will have other opinions or tell the truth and you can’t attack them. I am not the one being a sicko or disgusting. You are.
Have fun talking to yourself, Mikaela.
tell me how tf am i disgusting for finding non consensual sex gross, what tf is wrong with you
Babe, did we hurt your fee fees?? Awww let me call your non existent wife and maybe she can kiss your boo boo. You are living proof God has a sense of humor. It's time to go, hihi.
Omg this proves how immature you are LMAO.
No no, you are wrong! You need to analyse non-consensual sex and you REALIZE that Dan consented even though he was threatened to get fucked up. <3 Be like Tora, analyse and over analyse. You are SICK for thinking rape is gross! They apparently have a friend who's a rape survivor so that means they are 100% right saying it's NOT rape. <3 (Since there wasn't cases where rape survivors dismiss rape, right?!?!)
Well not all non-consensual sex should be considered rape because only if the person is should that it hurts and that they want to stop and is the begging the other to stop while saying it hurts is rape......When someone says stop out of shyness and embarrassment and tells it hurts at first is not rape....when they are saying it hurts but they still are moaning and not begging to stop is actually rough sex.....their are a lot of difference between rough sex and rape....please do your research. Kim Dan and Jaekyung are having rough sex and even if Kim Dan says he doesn't wanna...he does give in at the end and enjoys himself and faints with overstimulation often....I hope you understand what I am trying to say here....Well its just my opinion you can have yours...
In reality, I did not and there is no non censensual sex in Jinx. When are you coming back to earth?
That is gaslighting.
I say your comments are disgusting for how immature and disrespectful they are to ones that don’t have your pov. They are disgusting for how you treat people.
Show me where I said that about you or any of what you claimed.
i'm an absolute gross monster for thinking they need help because apparently to them non consensual sex is not rape i extremely apologize to taro-chan for giving my own opinion
Babe, I am just responding and you can have your opinion.
There are a few non-consensual scenes in this and some were Dan was forced to agree which is VERY dubious sex. You can still moan and have an orgasm because it's a natural thing, even though you don't want to and want it to stop. Dan clearly says he wants it to end as soon as possible. In chapter 3 he was threatened by Jae or else he will get fucked up, so he didn't had a choice but to agree, because let's be real, not one of us want to mess with a champion in boxing lmao. In rough sex people don't have usually thoughts about this wanting to end soon. Hope you understand where I'm coming from here. Cheers.
Damn, you're really exposing yourself, LMAO.
taro chan stop trying so hard, this probably all your clone accounts bc no one actually will back you up
I laugh! Hilarious.
Well to be honest it is rape but it is consensual rape....Kim Dan gave Jaekyung the consent to use him whenever he wants and they had a deal....it is rape in the first many chapters but towards the new ones I see Kim Dan enjoying himself a little so I can say that it may not be that hard for him now.....I hope things get better tho....atleast he doesn't feel as bad as he did at first....
I don't think there is consensual rape since it erases all meaning what rape is. Maybe role-playing. He might be enjoying himself for most parts, but that's the human body for you. Doesn't care if it's consensual or not it will react to it. Maybe it isn't as bad but it's still bad. But I also hope for things to improve for Dan and his grandma. Don't really think she will make it trough the story.
Torakaze**
I was writing to toilet and other one on a different topic.
I have no clue what has happened on this topic since my last comment. Go look. I can’t be in two places at once.
I don’t know if I have time to read this to catch up.
I only have one account.
'consensual rape' you dont know what consent is, go on my profile and look at FRIES in my bio or watch the video i linked. There is so such thing as consensual rape and Dan 'enjoying himself' is a physiological reaction. Heres a link to a video I think you really need to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
Not having a definite definition of what consent is can make you think 'consensual rape' exists but it doesnt. Consent isnt something you can sign away because consent has to be something actively given.
My man choose to speak straight facts.
Well by consesual rape I was referring to their deal where Kim Dan agrees to Jaekyung's wishes....and its still rape but you can't say its non consensual because of the contract....its like giving your word and not being able to take it back even if you want to.....Well I heard that its gonna be a sad ending.....so I also don't think the granma's gonna live....I hope she does tho I really want Kim Dan to leave that asshole amd Jaekyung to finally realize what he did to Kim Dan and suffer a lot!!....Ahn Jiwon is a Trillion times better than this bastard....
How is it rape in the first few chapters when jk didn't even mean to threaten him? Dan knew he needed the money. He consented the first time and after getting ready and showering, making jk wait for him, he then says he can't do it. How do you expect a narc like jk to feel especially when he doesn't play with his jinx? He didn't intend to threaten the dude. Omg.
I'm not forcing you to change your opinion but you can't really call it rape.
Well in my previous comment I was refering to the recent chapters where Kim Dan seems to finally a little pleasure for himself....its still very bad tho I wish things get better for him.....but I agree that it was rape at first but it was consensual because of their deal which is sad because Dan didn't want to do it but had to for money....His situation is bad and the seme takes full advantage of it....Well it was still rape tho....we gotta blame the seme and Dan's situation...
I know what you mean but the moment you change your mind into something and have to go trough with it, it's not doing it willingly anymore. And when we apply that to sex it becomes rape. Dan agreed to the contract but agreeing with something like a contract, doesn't mean you will always consent. And I figured it will be a sad ending. There surely will be a lot of angst but it better not be for Dan. Σ( ￣□￣||)
But pleasure doesn't equal consent. I know why you think this since I also used to back then. At this point I am eager to see Jaes Title as champion taken away since I am sure this have a lot of impact for him and for the story. (▰˘◡˘▰)
I am really sorry but if you read chapter 3 and still think it isn't at least 90% rape the I am sorry for you.....I mean I get it that he agreed.....but He didn't take the money and wanted to quit at first but then was scared of getting his head smashed like the previous guy....He was intimidated by jk because of how bigger and stronger he was than him. And he did give consent but then refused and then was forced into it....and when he wasn't even fully loose jk started fucking him....he was in pain during their first time....so I think its pretty much rape....
REMEMBER GUYS. Coercion is not consent!
even if your confusion about 'consensual rape' is nonsensical youre making a lot of sense here
Hey, I get what you're saying but please can you explain how he was forced? Explain deeper because I can't see it. Thanks.
Dear, it's okay to be disgusting and like reading rape in yaoi... Doesn't mean you have to deny the existence of it just to feel better about yourself...
Hi, please if you want to understand more on my point I plead that you check this link. Thanks.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14221234/
I have to read this thread.
Dear it is okay to be disgusting and be a pos. Many people can differentiate between fiction and real life. So it is okay to read fictional stories. The Bible has rape and people read the Bible.
It is not okay for you to write this comment but expose your ignorance and insecurities.
You are telling a straight man who does not like reading rape in yaoi that he is denying your pov to feel better about himself.
He was asked to analyze this by a friend. He is comfortable with his sexual and read yaoi for his wife and friends.
He is telling the truth. He has no reason to deny it.
He isn’t denying to feel better about himself. The story simply doesn’t carry your pov.
He is a rape crisis counselor. He stands up against rape when you just pretend to attack others to feel better about yourself. See your disgusting pos to him.
to like reading about rape in gay shit is wild lmao but you're entitled to your preferences since its not like you like romaticised rape specifically
* lmaoo i am a sicko, im forcing ppl in my pov, im stating my pov, my ass is butthurt cuz i insulted people speaking the truth or having other opinion. Iam absolutely digusting and i'm forcing people in my pov by calling sicko and butthurt when they state their opinion against mine, so attack than instead of giving an opinion.
Tora didn’t write this manhwa. It is not his manhwa.
And he has no opinion of it. He is straight, you sicko.
This isn’t rape. If it is, it is like the kid’s version. We are reading an adult smut toxic manhwa.
You are forcing him to see rape or be a sicko. Ur worst than a rapist. Ur are absolutely disgusting for how you treated people for not seeing your pov.
What! It is an opinion.
You missed the part where you were into this story. “Insulted your manhwa ur into.”
So filled with hate they assumed.
I don’t write like this but I am just returning their “opinions”.
Maybe they will start giving opinions. And stop the lame shitty attacks.
I see think and think. So it is more opinion based. I see that being a little deceptive from the story too. It is like you picked all the points to make it rape and left out all the rest. Dan told him to put it in. Are you saying he wasn’t fully loose? Was he fully loose? Did you miss he stop and bent over him after a stop to allow Dan to adjust to him? So I think you are trying to make it rape.
Me too.
Cloned accounts use a real person's name, picture and other information to duplicate that person's social media profile
And for an account I don’t recall from the last few days sure is all knowing of the attacks used against us.
Taro?
Remember guys! If you disagree you're worse than a rapist who violates people and potentially ruins their life. <3 YOU ARE THE WORST WEH WEH.
Even if this case where to be investigated and brought to a court, it wouldn't even be considered as Rape. That's just the funny thing about this. LMAO.
I blame you for not being able to distinguish between two different things.
When I first read consensual rape. It was weird. I thought about and thought it could be a compromised.
Dan don’t want to have sex by his thoughts only but he verbally consented. His thoughts are “evidence” of rape.
That isn’t good enough for them. To be honest, I don’t know if it works.
How I made to be it isn’t how you meant it.
Tmsm! How dare you say that! You're worse than a rapist!!!! :(((((
Remember guys! If you call someone a sicko, your absolutely disgusting because they disagree with you, you're worse than a rapist who violates people and potentially ruins their life.
It is about equal. Both can lead to ruining someone’s life or taking someone’s life.
Transgender people get this abuse and they kill theirselves.
Kids have killed theirselves from this abuse.
You may be making this a joke but cyber bullying is a serious crime and has led to suicides. Rape has led to suicides. Cyber bullies are not better than rapist. They have the same affect on the people they harm.
What are you even saying? Where is your bullshit coming from? What are you indicating? Why are you harassing, and injecting insults? Why are you being a total POS!
Damn girl...you wanna cause trouble eh? Such pathetic words from the person who claimed to be mature AKA mikaela.
I spit. Disgusting.
girl they have been saying the exact same thing to me when i was literally right, torashithead also said i was seeing rape as my disgusting fantasy. LIKE GIRL WHAT. they are all fuckasses - if anyone, its them trying to force their pov on us god damn, suck dick yall
Mikaela, you are cyber bully. Did my words harm you? Only you can change yourself.
Your words don’t harm me. You make this page boring with your cyber bullying.
You heard it is going to be a sad ending? Do you know where they got that information from.
Omg go read Dispar. Or read Jinx closely. He is an asshole but he is better than some.
Affirmative.
WORD!
girl they have been saying the exact same thing to me when i was literally wrong, i was seeing rape in the story because it’s my disgusting fantasy. LIKE GIRL WHAT. we are all fuckasses - if anyone, its us trying to force our pov on them god damn, suck dick yall
See rape or be a sicko. We are to insecure to see anything else. I just exposed Tora intimidates me because he is right. We are all fuckasses to them. We are pos to them. We can’t be civil or let them be. We have to be threatened and call them names and sicko. Suck dick ain’t a insult maybe for Tora. . I am married to a man and well you read yaoi. Do I have to explain it? Looks like I have to explain rape.
What an amazing abomination of a comment that exposes everything.
This comment is you forcing us into your pov. Don’t use an explanation to get you to fucking understand how you are forcing us as prove we are forcing you. Gaslighter.
They used a line I used on me. Since they think harassing people is funny and will be enjoying this I decided to be like them. They said it was fun.
I don’t see the appeal. I am cringing at this comments mirroring them. It is like raping someone. Why do they do it? Cringe.
Thanks for coming to my defense. They were trying to insult me. They thought I was trying to insult no. But I was telling the truth but I probably should said “no better than a rapist” because cyber bullies has the same affects on people and can lead to suicide. I was being serious. But Mikaela thought it was an insult and insulted back. At this point of time she should had known better. You had the right to ask those questions to her actions.
There was no reason for her to say that to me. I was trying to get no to see they were attacking by using their own words against them. Gaslighting is ridiculous.
My girl Mikaela failed to understand your text. These are the kinds of people that have disabilities in distinguishing between things.
I'll always be in your defense and I hope you will be in mine too. Thanks for the brief explanations in all your previous texts.
That happens often. That makes sense. Some are pathological liars.
Thank you. My friends and I will.
They have too many accounts. I have one account . I don’t need another one. I guess they need to be their own support system in topics and in voting instead of naturally making friends?
tf i woke up with 57 replies☠
Telling me all this why? I just made a general point. Anyways, I'll no longer be responding. Bye ,★⌒ヽ(●＾､＾●)Kiss!
Telling you to get the truth, stop attacking others, and now the general points were wrong.
Respect others. Stop harassing and making bullshit up for your pov.
There are some trolls in here forcing “it is rape” pov.
They were proven wrong and now they are trying to prove Tora wrong with any means necessary. He just wrote an analysis on the story.
They can’t handle anything. They can’t understand they can have that pov but stop forcing on others and claiming the story has it. They can say in their pov. We can share this page. They keep trying to force us off because they hate the truth. It has been like 3 days. They can’t see nothing works. Nothing will. They are just exposing themselves. I have blocked many but they don’t take the hint to leave me alone. I reply to out their lies and expose them. It seems they are dense and they keep coming back for more.
yeah fr jeez they’ve been flooding the comment section, it’s enough to give me a headache. It’s just the beginning of the story i hope jaekhyung will become more sweet and gentle towards our dan in the future （￣へ￣）. kinda reminds me of POTN
Well....why don't you think the first few chapters are consensual rape tho? I mean Dan himself said that it was hell for him and that he didn't want to do it anymore....I mean I get it that he gave consent by signing a deal with jk....But jk did threaten him a little in ch3....If you don't wanna call chapter 3 rape then what do you call it? Rough sex? I am actually an open minded person and would really like to know what YOU think of chapter 3 and all other chapters where jk initiates sex on Dan.....I myself am not saying its rape because Dan did give consent one way or the other but he still was against having sex with jk....so thats why I termed chapter 3 consensual rape.....sounds weird but then kinda matches with my point....
I hope that too....but I want jaekhyung to suffer a little before it even if I think Dan has feelings for him amd definately won't let jk suffer because Dan is an angel....I read Darkfall and that has been clouding my judgement over all the rough sexual scenes even if I know its not rape.....Well I read in Youtube that its gonna be a sad ending but still lets hope for it to be a happy ending with the grandma alive..... I kinda want Heesung to make jk suffer
I have a question....You said "abusive not rape".....what is the difference between abusive sex and rape? I am confused now....
well in my perspective, they made an agreement that yk he can have sex with dan whenever in exchange for money so that gives consent. but the fact that jaekyung does it so forcefully is what i say is abuse, also if you look at how dan sees jaekyung in his pov jaekyung looks scarier when in reality he’s not. some scenes are being written in dan’s pov that’s why jaekyung seems like a monster but i can just hope jaekyung fixes his attitude though, dan deserves to be treated better.
same same i hope heesung puts spice on the story because right now the storyline is toxic, i hope heesung makes jaekyung feel some frustration and realize dan’s worth or his feelings for him(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Hi, thank God you're an open-minded person. That's cool and I really hope we come to an agreement.
In chp 3 Dan consented jk and they both came to an agreement. He had the chance to say no but decided to stay. And after getting ready to shower, jk dragged him out because he was wasting his time which is understandable. After all, his jinx was very important to him and it was quite late for them to be having sex presuming jk had to be sleep and be lively for the match.
He was already annoyed but that doesn't also mean Dan deserved being pushed around like that. And when they start Dan says he can't do it anymore which jk found annoying by saying, “You think I'm some sort of joke to you, don't expect to leave here like that last guy safe and sound” I think that's what he said. But if you look at jk pov, he didn't even mean to threaten him, that wasn't his intention if you notice his next reaction at that specific moment. And Dan then said in his thoughts, “Right, I had already agreed, I can do this” I agree that Dan felt threatened but you can't say that when you look at both POVs.
In a court,
Yes judge I said he should put it in.
Yes judge I agreed to sign the contract.
Judge: Did he threaten you to agree?
Dan: He looked intimidating and he sounded angry that I was already backing out when I had already agreed. Besides, I also needed the money pretty badly and I had also consented to another 14,000 dollars thereafter because I was able to endure the first round.
This wouldn't and cannot be considered coerced rape when you look at their parts. Thank you.
My man, she literally said what Tmsm said. Read again. She was making fun of the bullshit he was saying.
Nah, yall just plain dumb.
I am really sorry if I said that its rape.....It isnt....I read the whole thing again and noticed that jk actually told Dan to leave if he didn't want to do it like thrice but Dan stayed because of his money problem....and jk is actual an asshole but it not a rapist....he actually saved Dan from getting raped and even cleared his debt ( for his own benefit tho) but he even payed his grandma's hospital bills....he really is changing...and he loosened him up everytime and even kissed Dan as the doctor said and didn't get angry at him when he got hit or when Dan ran away in the middle of sex....Damn I really judged it wrong but Iam glad I understood now.....I really hope their relationship gets better and jk becomes a bit more considerate towards Dan....
Omg! I'm in tears! Thank you for finally understanding. I'm so happy for real. You are the only genuine person I've seen in the last two days of this debate, my God. I can't even express how happy I am.
You are blessed.♡
If you stopped sucking their dick for once, you would see that Eminem said it first and I just mocked him. Bffr.
I am such a cyber bully! Not like Tmsm who replies to whoeber has another opinion~ It's not even a opinion it's just rape. That's it. You're too brain dead to understand and acting smarter is everything you're good in. Get off the internet and touch grass AND buy yourself a dictionary.
Thank you so much for explaining it to me....I completely agree with you...its not rape but abusive because jaekyung told Dan to leave like thrice if je didn't wanna do it but Dan stayed because of his money problem and at the end took responsibility for his actions....he even set a deal with jaekyung and gave his full consent in return for money.....I read and noticed that jk isn't that bad as he paid Dan's granny's hospital bills and even talked with her cause Dan was sick....he is kind and sweet at heart but still kinda an asshole to Dan....I hope their relationship changes for the better and jaekyung actually falls for Dan.....and we see a sweet and whipped side of jaekyung just like jiwon....well but who do you think is more toxic jaekyung or jiwon? I think jaekyung even tho both of them are quite on the same level
Agreed. Agreed.
Thank you so much for your kind words!! I am also happy that we both came to an agreement...I don't know why other people don't understand that this is not rape and that jk actually is a kind hearted person....I guess they gotta talk with Dan's granny because she understands jk better than them....like he did a lot of Dan and was actually considerate enough to not beat him up after getting hit and even after Dan left in the middle of sex...like usual toxic MC's would jaekyung is better than a lot of assholes....Thank you so much for being the kind of person who helps other people understand instead of just cursing them out....You are a really blessed person too♡....
Damn I really hope it exactly goes the way you just said!! Agreed ♡
You're speaking facts my girl. Thanks once again.
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