The poem! The stockings lolol. Happy Christmas, MGS!!! Thanks for the 3 chapter treat. ヾ(☆▽☆)
As soon as he gave that crap apology I prayed for The Truck to finish him off only for it to get the mum instead. (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
Thanks so much for your translation, Moonflower Gems!!! Totally sold on supporting the official and in my birthday month too.
I wonder if Korean academics or anyone has ever studied the prevalence of extreme sexual violence in BL manhwas and what motivates the creators. Yes, there is "dark romance" (which isn't enough of an explanation because there are many ways to do "dark" it doesn't *have* to be rape, or the ML at the very least doesn't have to be the rapist) but even in the so called "lighter" titles, sexual assault and rape are incredibly common (MC is stumbling drunk but ML takes it as a green light). I'm just curious at this point? Is it really only to satisfy the market...?
Is it the same in the straight titles? GL? I read GL manga and manhua mostly and they are never this extreme although some do have the predatory lesbian trope. (I am also, admittedly, a lot more selective with what I read for GL than BL. )
I dropped Painter in the Night and I think I'm destined to do the same here, despite being invested in the MC's story. I read maybe a third of this chapter because I scrolled rapidly through all the horrors.
i like your opinion but dropping painter of the night is a no-no! haha
I dropped potn too, i'm fine with the ml being toxic tho, i just hate the plot. But i get your point tho
Ikr. I agree with him/her saying that. But, Painter of the night has a special place in my heart. The angst is what I wanted. Even though I hated the rape scenes very much.
right? but the ending was so good. i will never forget the fact that seungho changed to be better for kyum. They are my sanctuary
Look I've got no idea but thought on this topic myself. Take this with a grain of salt, but I really do think there's a heavy sense of patriarchal misogyny and internalised homophobia in all of these works. The characters are almost always assigned to rigid heteronormative roles (i.e., bigger aggressive seme, smaller more demure absolutely push over uke who can't think for themselves).
It's a reflection of the societal viewpoint that women (or the inserts for women, like ukes or omegas) are lesser then and should accept their place. A boy 'likes' you if he pull on your pigtails - or no no, he really does love you, even if he slaps you across the face when you make him mad! He's just so passionate. And in these mangas they don't have to pretend there's a veneer of pretend chivalry.
I feel that's why these stories tend to skip over topics like coming out and homophobia or actually reflecting on the experiences of gay men and their relationships. Because it's not about them.
P.s I read all this stuff too, I feel it's good to always be able to critically reflect on the media we consume.
I love reading thinkpieces like these! This is actually a very believable and likely a genuine reason behind this sort of dynamics in mainstream stories. A strong example I can think of is porn. If you've noticed even in normal porn content from East asia (Japan ESP) the one that gets ploughed plays the act of 'shy resistant repressed guilty but gives in' act. The problem is fetishizing masses and the authors who cater to this inorder to achieve success. I don't mean that just cuz it's Lgbtq it needs serious life changing deep plots but the thing is the authors actually don't flesh their characters as themselves but rather, as you said forced into heteronormative roles which are heavily shaped by the deep rooted and still prevalent patriarchy n internalized misogyny. This strips away the characters from being their own identity and they exists just to be entertainment of the majority of masses who enjoy bl as
Part of their fetishism. All things said, wholesome and authentic good stories do exists but they aren't as hyped in social media as these stories which is why we might feel that every other bl story follows this plot dynamics but good genuine bls aren't that less in number compared to dark ones like these.
This. Valid point.
And , I've been thinking as well, to add to this whole conversation, considering that porn and such is illegal in SK. The sheer amount/quantity of manwhas especially BLs and the amount of violence and plot lines really does make you think.
This. Valid point.
And , I've been thinking as well, to add to this whole conversation, considering that p**n and such is illegal in SK,yet looking at the sheer amount/quantity of manwhas, especially BLs and the amount of them with these plot lines, containing all these aspects mentioned above, really does make you think.
(▰˘◡˘▰) I LOVE THEM SOO MUCH. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE EXTRA CHAPTERS.
Hahahaha I knoooow, I was really enjoying it too, it just got too much for me. I'm reading snob's Steel Under Silk which is like a more political intrigue take on PotN as a substitute.
Yes, I've been reading them for years too so I'm thinking about this as a fan too. In terms of the rigid heteronormativity I used to think that too. Then I paid attention to trans reader and scholars, especially those with omegaverse, which offered a different kind of reading that didn't limit to men as "playing women roles" but performing different genders all together.
But I agree it's entangled with a lot of phobias and misogyny, and Gt345 bringing in porn's influence is something to consider as well. I'm also aware that what we get in translation is just a percentage of what's actually created. I wonder if the home market looks different? Maybe there is some scholarship out there in English I can find.
I swear these authors are trolling us with the same three plots but also they work too hard for it to be trolling.
As simple as that. That empathethic assessment of that girl and her actions was the simplest thing to arrive at. No idea why it was beyond so many.
Ah, I appreciate this chapter focus on the particular difficulties queer couples experience when it comes to initimate partner violence. When the state doesn't recognise their identity and relationship it makes them more vulnerable.
Couldn't this just stay a family drama and our boy could date someone ELSE? This dynamic is wonderful. I'm probably gonna drop it when it gets weird.
Shouldn't complain bcs it's very clear from the start what's gonna happen
No! I'm shocked and surprised. Could that be what shaped my response? Does it only make sense because I did indeed discern that very thing but, in the process of this prolonged guardianship arc I discovered that I really enjoyed it and wanted to express my regret with a fragile hope I had no expectation of being fulfilled? Because I am a full fledged human being who can form thoughts about a piece of media beyond the author's vision?
I have no idea why some are committed to telling others what they should/shouldn't do or think in a random comment section. It's odd (to put it nicely).
I agree completely
the yaoi tag should've been the first warning...
Thanks! I'm just attached to this dynamic while knowing full well it won't remain.
It's funny because responses like this show your lack of reading comprehension, not mine lol. I know the dynamic will change hence me predicting I'll drop it after.
you do you i guess and i saw 'stranger' on your reading list so might as well drop that cause they have the same exact dynamic and plot just sayin
This such a series of overly contrived unneccessary complications. I'm bored.
Your whole family and your first love could have died, you don't get to adopt an attitude of wounded indignation in this relationship.