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That's my thought too

its so obvious

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He is, you can searched it somewhere in the comments of ur not lazy

Hm that's a possibility but I haven't seen any hints on that. I think the storyline changed because of Eudith's treatment to Luka. He may have opened up a little when Eudith tried to be a good aunt to him and when he saw his maternal aunt being so friendly with his paternal uncle (with matching flowers and sparkles as background lol) he must've thought that if he acts mature, cool and adult like he would grab all his aunts attention. Cause yknow they just got close but some stranger claiming to be his uncle was much already close and friendly to his aunt. (Hence the misunderstanding)

To summarize, he wants all his aunts attention? I get that vibe from him since he is a child. Children wants attention.

Honestly I would be more surprised if he wasn't considering the manga constantly brings up how different he's acting from the original novel and "trying to be an adult" is such a sorry excuse....

But there have been plenty of hints. He said "it wasn't like this last time", suddenly knows about noble clothing, suddenly knows how to read, and also how to fight? That sounds like stuff he would have experienced if everything went according to the novel and he time traveled back. Plus he's not reacting like the first time like everything is stuff he's used to (the snow, the train, the clothes) which would all be normal things for him in the first timeline

I think it's just because Eudith sucks at fashion that's why they chose the clothes themselves. That was proven when Eudith tried to pick something for Luka but it was yeah a total fashion cringe (just for comedic purpose of course) And if he really knew how to read then he would've had the confidence to read the book or the daily gossip out loud to prove it to his aunt, instead, he reads it slowly as if he's trying to figure out if the words and pronunciations were correct (you can see the letters on a smaller and different font indicating that he's shy or making his voice small). About the 'fight'.... Well it was hardly a fight at all. If he were reincarnated and had already experienced a battle, don't you think it's a little reckless of him to just suddenly just 'attacked' the assassin with a butter knife? and not thought about the situation since he returned as a ten year old child and already went through the same danger? (Though my reasoning for this one must be too excessive ┐( ∵ )┌).
Please, kid just acted like mature adult and cool Infront of his aunt. He's just copying what he saw in his uncle inorder to impress(?) his aunt. I get that vibe from him.

Like I said, Eudith's change also changes the plotline including Lukas perspective and personality. Remember when Eudith said that Luka in the novel was gentle because he wants to get close or something to the people in the duchy? It's because he was being neglected and was sold by his original 'aunt' that he wanted to be good to his new family. Who knows maybe this grumpy personality was actually his real personality. His first response to Eudith being kind to him was the evidence of my conclusion.

Also, you quoted "he wasn't like this last time" did Luka said that or Eudith? I feel like you're referring to when Eudith saw the thick snow and saw Lukas indifference and compared him to the novel Luka.
If it was Luka then can't you tell me which chapter? I must've missed it.

Chapter 11 page 27 and regarding Luka's reading, he was obviously trying to appear to be sounding the words out. He knows how to read but it would be suspicious if he was fluent so he tried to downplay it. He also reacted before the assassin attacked as if he knew what was going to happen. It's way more likely that he traveled back in time rather than him just "trying to act like an adult". The author made it plenty clear that they were going with the regressor plot

Oh right I didn't notice that part. Thank you for pointing the chapter out.
I'm not entirely convinced with the entire "regressor plot" since this manhwa is just new but the chapter you've mentioned did have some valid points with your theory.

I guess only time will tell....

Hahahaha....may ghad you made mah day hahaha same sis same hahaha dami Kong tawa MGA isang kilo hahaha

Yikes that's extremely fetishizing

Yikes, you're cringy for taking offense. Remember that you're in mangago and calm down...

LMFAOლ(´ڡ`ლ)

I have never heard someone calling anyone cringey for pointing out fetishization. Are you like 12 years old or what? They tend to call everyone cringey over just anything

Nope, you're cringy even to 26 year olds dear. What's cringy is what you "pointing out fetishization" on mangago at a random person reveals about you...

Okay sweetie, i wasn't really looking to start a conversation so I'm going now, thanks for the chat~

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You sound really dumb for a 26 years old

Chill its just a manhwa and i'm not gonna masturbate with picture of gallahan tho lol ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

Musterbating to something isn’t the only way of fetishization.

Okay then what's the other way? And elaborate to me how can "i read too much yaoi so i think gallahan i a lovely uke" is a fetish? Give me an explanation, and prove. Let's talk like an adult now if you are one.

http://www.mangago.zone/thing/about/430034/

This should answer your questions. You are basically sexualizing a character and assigning him sexual position based on his looks.

I already said "i read too much yaoi" so it's just my thought that his drawing looks like many uke characters that i've been read in awhile. And i don't say gallahan is gay or he is an uke? what's not clicking? Beside you are in mangago bruh you need to calm down, get out, and breath a fresh air

If you're 26 years old and still unable to tell the difference between what is "cringe" and what is a legitimate calling out honestly I'm worried for you.

@Stardust was right in saying that this is fetishization because... It is.

Then you have to call out all DJ authors.

Simply put: Over interest in something as well as sexualization of a certain group of individuals. In your case: Queer men.

Fetishization doesn't have to be as blatant as masturbating to BLs, or even
those "I want to be a gay man" or "I want to be the 'uke' so bad"
we hear all too often within this community. But it can be as subtle as this
"YAY I LOVE GAY GUYS! PLEASE KISS!" that I've been told times and times again. Lurking at and enjoying the sight of MLM love. That's fetishization.
It's something foreign that makes them feel a way that straight content doesn't or only does so in extremely minimized amounts. This, is also a form of fetishization. You seek out a thrill out of looking at what is "forbidden". Another side to it would be seeing two men holding hands is some kind of act for them to get off to and lurk at. Again, it's a "forbidden love", a "thrill". It wouldn't even matter to them if said two men weren't even gay, they'll just want them to bone anyway. Fetishization comes in many aspects, and simplifying it to masturbating for one's own convenience is just bigoted.

"I read too much Yaoi", "He is such a lovely uke", all of those expressions being used yet you failing to see a problem there only goes to show that you are extremely uneducated on real MLM issues, as well as what using such terms implies and consumption of such works without proper education only means one thing: ignorant fetishist.

That's kinda the point. Blindingly producing Art without taking awareness of its weight is not only rash but dangerous.

The problem is not women reading BL in it of itself. The problem is that said women who do so only do it out of this "thrill" and not only that, but encourage and promote the toxicity within the BL genre as well as supporting preconceived and dangerous ideas that are being spread about around the genre by those, which, in turn, washes off onto real MLM relationships and people. Consciously or not. There wouldn't be anything wrong with straight people writing about MLM love if, and only if these people were let their readers know that they aren't MLM themselves, as well as make an effort not to romanticize toxic content and tropes and EDUCATE themselves on proper MLM issues and dynamics. One must remain aware of what they are writing, as well as its potential consequences and the weight it carries.

Okay then you have to educate all yaoi, shoai, DJ authors and readers. Please don't go to mangago if you want to call out or 'educate' someone based on your 'knowledge' if you have sooo much time to typing that much words and commenting on someone you don't know on mangago please use your free time to make a journal or article regarding this matters maybe then someone will be really 'educated' by you ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I'm gonna end this discussion but go on if you all want to continue this discussion. And oh i don't feel 'educated' at all btw

Oh and i'm a gay man who read bl. Not woman

It's quite funny to me that your only argument in response to this is "well then don't do that here then", "please use your free time to make a journal or article regarding this matters maybe then someone will be really 'educated' by you" This just goes to show that you have nothing to say in your defense. And as such, are relying on backing off and "playing it cool" to save face.

Matter of fact is that you undeniably do fetishize MLM, you just don't like that we're calling you out for it.

"if you have sooo much time to typing that much words and commenting on someone you don't know on mangago" Are you 12? Can't you find a more concise argument than "boo hoo I'm just a stranger on mangago" --Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences love. It doesn't matter whether we are cousins or strangers. Be we on Mangago, Youtube or even on the New York Times. If you can't stand criticism and being called out on toxic behavior then don't be toxic in the first place.

To go back on this gorgeous piece of nonsense right here: "please use your free time to make a journal or article regarding this matters maybe then someone will be really 'educated' by you" --Cute. You see love, the real world doesn't work like this. Us, MLM have to all too often rely on resources such as illegal reading sites, reddit, youtube or even blogs to just reach a few people. If it were as easy as "writing out a journal article", then we would gladly do it. Do you know why we can't? HOMOPHOBIA. Whenever we attempt to speak up in our defense, bigoted people such as yourself will constantly try to silence us and look down on our issues. It's extremely hard to even get recognition in the first place. So to be even publicized is a whole other matter.

"I'm gonna end this discussion but go on if you all want to continue this discussion. And oh i don't feel 'educated' at all btw" --Guess you can't read then.

If you really are a gay man reading BL yet STILL manages to be that fetishist and toxic I am even more so worried for you. This is already a huge problem with women but as a gay man you should know better and be willing to educate yourself and not pertain in toxic patterns and behavior, yet you are indulging into it. Being gay doesn't give you a non-bigot free pass. If anything it makes you even more bigoted for doing so by being someone who should be the first to realize the issue.

"thinking he is a lovely uke" Your words, not mine. So, "i don't say gallahan is gay or he is an uke" --ehhh-- Try that again?

Simply put you don’t want to be judged for fetishizing? Then why do you fetishize in the first place?

@Lex You can't educate someone who doesn’t want to be educated

Periodt.

Gallahan neither is gay nor an 'uke' so you saying he is would be weirder. But you did say that you can imagine him as a 'lovely uke' just because he has feminine features which is basically fetishizing. Both of us being on mangago doesn’t change that

Who cares? It's a fictional character... what is your endgoal in making the argument that OP is sexualizing a character? Because the only point you'd be making by pointing that out is that he's sexualizing a character. Does this EXTEND into something? Are you trying to argue that he's a piece of shit FOR sexualizing a character? Doubt many agree with that... even entertaining that he is, no one other than types like you give a shit.

Op isn’t only sexualizing a character but also fetishizing a gay people . I am not really trying to argue with anyone here. Just replying to op since they talked about having a mature conversation which I clearly get you aren’t. I mean I get it you think it’s ok to fetishize but don't think that there isn’t a majority of people who are disgusted by it.

And ok I care about calling out fetishizers.Any fetishizer is a piece of shit and so are the people who defend them. What are you trying to go with saying that?

Where*

"Simply put, you don't want to be judged for fetishizing"

No one cares WHO you judge you crazy bitch. Your opinion is irrelevant and the vast minority. Even entertaining that he IS fetishizing the character, it's a fictional character.

I repeat sweetie, NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE BECAUSE IT'S STUPID AF AND ALSO, WHY WOULD WE CARE ABOUT YOUR MORALS ARGUMENT WHEN YOU'RE HARASSING SOMEONE IN A COMMENTS SECTION? FROM A THIRD PARTY VIEW, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO LOOKS RUDE, NOT THE GUY WHO LEFT A RANDOM COMMENT ONLY TO BE ACCOSTED BY YOU! I DONT WANT A MORALS LESSON FROM A HYPOCRITE.

"It's just fiction" is the dumbest argument one could make, first of all. Not to mention that if you'd actually read what we wrote, you wouldn't be making this comment in the first place. I've clearly explained above what the issue was and that sexualizing the character was not the core of the problem here but a symptom. And that the real problem that we have with this is fetishizing gay people. And yes, fun fact, you can be queer and STILL be a fetishist yourself. Again, it's not a free pass to no-bigotry-land.

"Are you trying to argue that he's a piece of shit FOR sexualizing a character" Wow.. Now you're just putting words into someone's mouth. That's a whole new level of nonsense. Nobody said that he's a piece of sh*t. What we did say tho is that this is fetishization and it's a huge problem. Does it make him a piece of sh*t? No. What it does make him tho, is a bigot.

"no one other than types like you give a shit. " And yet here you are... Clearly giving a shit since your comment didn't write itself all alone.

That you're a cunt, was i not clear enough? Lol!

You don’t care if I judge anyone or not but here you are writing long ass paragraphs on full caps. Calm down and read everything you wrote again. You sound like a clown

No one cares, you're clearly just one of the cringy offended types. Bye cunt.

You just proved that you are a certified clown lol. Not that your previous statements didn’t prove that enough

Reading comprehension sweetie, i said no one cares about your opinion on tgem, not that seeing you being a cunt isn't annoying and cringy...

Yet you still keep replying. It's very clear you care. Otherwise you wouldn’t be calling us slurs or what not as your omly defence

Bruh tell me this, if no one cares then why does cringey idiots like you keep replying to me? Hypocrisy much?

Now who was insulting who again......? Literally no one is harassing anyone here but you. You're the one coming in all caps and offensive words. Not us. All we did was make an argument and explaining our point of view. Now how you fail to see this is beyond me. I also don't see what hypocrites you see here 'cause I see none.

Oh no! An easily offended cunt hates me! Bitch, even if I'd kissed your ass at some point, you'd still be up on your pedestal looking down on everyone you don't agree with.

Again... Who is harassing who?

You're making a morals argument by "pointing out fetishization" while simultaneously being toxic trash and accosting users online.

Figure it out.

Never said anything about hating you. You are the only one here calling others slurs and what not. Seems like you are the one who is easily offended . This wasn’t even about you in the first place

First of all, I'm a man, so being a "cunt" would be a tad bit complicated. Secondly. Who cares if I make you cringe or not? I'm merely stating facts. If you can't handle criticism don't be a bigot then.

I don't care about your OPINION, i DO care that you're annoying, i just explained this.

And what are you even arguing? That i care?

The only one here who is easily offended is you. It wasn’t even about you in the first place.

You calling others cringey when your most recent comment was kill me daddy towards a fictional serial killer lol

Pfft, you've been nothing but condescending. I just don't fuck with that, the OP was much nicer to you so you stepped on him.

Ok fetishizing gay people isn’t being nice.

Replying to me automatically proves that you care about my opinion. Otherwise you won't even bother to reply in the first place.

Now how am I being toxic? Am I toxic for pointing out ACTUALLY toxic and damaging behavior as well as what the issue was? I think not. Last time I checked, all I did was explain why their behavior was worrisome and toxic and invited them to review it. And why it would be nice to do so. It's not like I insulted them or anything. The only person accosting anyone here is you.

Eww now you're profile stalking me, obsessive af...

And yeah, Sangwoo is hot. He's a fictional character, if a guy broke my legs irl i wouldn't be all "kill me daddy!"... not to mention that comments section is full of funny comments like mine.

Are you done playing the victim?

Now how was OP being "much nicer to me"? Fetishizing Queer men isn't nice. Also, how did I "step on him"? Again, all I did was point out an issue.

Wow I am pretty much sure at this point that you are for sure a 12 years old. If not then you really need to seek some serious help since you are obviously mentally ill

I'm gay and don't feel fetishized, stop fighting for me.

Allow me to redirect this question to you.

Wow, i actually AM disabled. I have asperger's, i can't believe you just said that...

Nah. Fetishizing gay people would always be an issue to gay people. He isn’t 'playing' victim

No u

Hi! I'm okay~ let them be, thank you for stand up with me(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ do not waste your energy, bet they just kids who get too much free time or what, while we here to enjoy comic, don't let them ruin it~

And i dunno why at some point they criticizes me for reading too much bl and spouting a random comment while one of them clearly reading many bl too (

Nope, i feel fine. Lay down your arms mine soldier.

Who is playing the victim now after calling others slurs?

Allow me to tell you exactly what I told OP then:

Fetishization is a real issue and with this already being a huge problem with women, as a gay man you should know better and be willing to educate yourself and not pertain in toxic patterns and behavior, yet you are indulging into it. Being gay doesn't give you a non-bigot free pass. If anything it makes you even more bigoted for doing so by being someone who should be the first to realize the issue.

Bruh y'all always pull the I am gay as if that does change literally anything in that arguement. Totally ok if you don’t feel fetishized but let others speak for themselves.

It’s like saying I am black and I didn’t find it racist.

Hi! I'm okay~ let them be, thank you for stand up with me(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ do not waste your energy, bet they just kids who get too much free time or what, while we here to enjoy comic, don't let them ruin it~

And i dunno why at some point they criticizes me for reading too much bl and spouting a random comment while they clearly reading many bl too (u can click their profile （￣へ￣）)

And hey @lex @stardust, what's the point of this conversation actually? You guys seems really pathetic at this point.....

Fetishizers defending each other and pretending to be the victim when pointed out for it. How typical

Pretty much.

Yeah, you're right. Thanks (▰˘◡˘▰)

Does you enjoying a comic also include fetishizing gay people? Yikes.

First of all, and yet again, I never said that reading BLs in it of itself was the issue. So please stop putting words into our mouths, what is the issue here is fetishization. Which is what you are doing, love. It's not hypocritical to call out fetishization when we see it.

And how am I fetishizing a queer person when I AM a queer myself? figuring out. And also i'm not fetishizing gallahan, i was just thinking that his drawing is so nice while he looks like many bl character that i've been reading. What about my words that you all can not understand? Please get out and breath a fresh air or do your homework. Oh you guys are adult? Then, get out, work, make some friends, drinking with your friends, and wear a mask~~~~ @lex @stardust

Um you being gay doesn’t mean that you can't fetishize gay people. And once again you specifically said that you imagined him as a 'lovely uke'. Tell me how os this not fetishizing? Pretty sure you should be the one to go out and touch some grass.

Something about my interactions with Lex and Stardust, i can't help but imagine they made out after all this. Is that fetishization? It's just a vibe i get, so much chemistry there.

Like Lex said you should be the very first person who should be aware of this fetishization problem.What about this did you not understand. Just go back and read what he wrote. Pretty sure that would be enough to understand what's the problem

Gross now you really are fetishizing real people.

"You're gay, you should care!"

As i gay, I'm telling you that you shouldn't. My word is more important than yours since you're defending me.

I could honestly say the same about you two but unlike you I am not someone who likes fetishizing.

And you HATE me for it. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Bruh I'm not defending you. No one is defending you here. You pretty much fall in the worst category since you are fetishizing your own community

Okay I'm muting this. I don't know why this conversation get cross the line. You all need to chill. Bye. Have a good day gays~

You really want to be hated that bad huh. What can be expected from types like you

I ship Lex and Stardust, they're my otp

Fetish fetish tai kucengggggg

Again... Being Queer doesn't give you a pass to bigotry. You aren't immune to fetishizing just because you are part of the LGBT+ community. It's not how it works. If it were, we wouldn't be here having this discussion in the first place.

Not to mention that, just like I and @Stardust previously stated, you, YOURSELF said, I quote: "he is a lovely uke". If that isn't problematic, I don't know what is. Again, these were your own words. You didn't just say "the Art looks like the one most commonly used in BLs". No. You CLEARLY said "he is a lovely uke". That IS fetishization. And that is not to mention how, you being a Queer person should be the FIRST to know how MUCH of an issue reducing characters to mere sexual positions is. Yet here you are. Indulging in and encouraging this toxicity.

-chef's kiss and licks fingers-

That was great, this is my FAVORITE meal. Bye bitches, muting.

I am both speechless and repulsed at how much bigotry there is in a mere three sentences.

No one is defending you here. If anything you're the worst type since you're encouraging and promoting toxicity and brushing it off like it's a game.

I don't hate you. I just think you're a bigot. That's not the same thing. Why you wanna be hated that bad tho? Legit curious.

Gross...