For that type of thing you get consent before not after, so we have sexual assault and an almost rape because he wasn't made aware of the other person.
X for doubt on this entire relationship. Like Keith still did all of the following:
1)Raped him twice
3)Cheated on him
3)Victim blamed him when he got raped the first time
4)Got him pregnant
5)Held him against his will
6)Kidnapped him
7)Discriminated against him on the basis that he is an omega
But it's all good now because he gave him pudding and said that he loves him! -_-
lmao HAHAHHAHA
Lmao true true(≧∀≦)
Oh wow, I still very much DON'T care about Euncheol's feelings. Being sad is not an excuse for everything that took place beforehand and now he has hurt two people, I hope he gets forgiveness but not end up together with either. Of course that's not what's gonna happen but you know, a person can dream of nontoxic relationships, right?
What Andy said was very insensitive, but what Martin did was even worse. He resorted to physical violence over his friend being a victim of physical (and not only) violence. Which is kinda hypocritical... If Andy is the only one who apologizes I'll only follow the story of the main couple.
It looked like the entire premise was for them to be a switch couple, but of course they weren't because God forbid we actually have any realistic representation of gay relationships that might offend the straight fujoshis who want to see heteronormative interactions. The baby was cute. The mom should have been excommunicated. I said what I said.
I’m pretty sure yaoi authors all the way from japan don’t care one bit about “offending” anyone by not drawing... *checks notes* switch. Like they actually don’t care about what people think that’s what artists do
And I don't think if they care or not is in any way relevant to whether their work is worthy of criticism. Also, I don't think most creators have the amount of freedom to create, that you think they have.
You said they can’t draw bc people get offended. That’s not criticism cause it’s just a false statement about the conditions of the work, it’s criticism when you judge a quality of an art work, so saying you wanted switch is also just an opinion, but that’s another story
Which btw I also was expecting to see a switch and that’s what actually happened even tho it ended short. They agreed to let the other partner have the kid.
Bad wording on my part but the god forbid comment was referring to the genre in general but wasn't a targeted attack on this author, it also doesn't mean it was their choice since they have editors and sometimes teams that might make them change things, I still think my criticism about yaoi not having accurate representations of mlm relationships is fair.
Sure. Independent from this conversation, do you expect a realistic representation of real life in any kind of genre, especially romance?
Depends on what part you're referring to. I don't expect to see an enema in bl the same way that I don't expect to see periods in hetero romance (sometimes there's a fleeting mention). But, my objection has more to do with how they're portrayed to fit a certain narrative, it would be like portraying characters of other ethnicities using exclusively stereotypes, something that would understandably rub people the wrong way.
Oh ok. I actually had written more about realism part explaining a bit more about how I have a clear line between fictional worlds and real life and the reason I consume them was bc it had nothing to do with real life but somehow it cut the rest of the reply. Whatever have a good day
Don’t get me wrong I appreciate the answer
Omg this is the longest discussion on a comment I have ever seen Lol
If you wanna see a switch couple..make a manga make the characters switch and leave it alone..”complain abt something they won’t change”
Omg, it seems like I've triggered exactly the people that I was complaining that creators try not to trigger, who would have thought, lmao
It seems like this manga triggered just the person making a post about it! Who wouldn’t thought.
*would've
Wouldn’t*
**wouldn't think (which would make no sense in that sentence) or wouldn't have thought
Wouldn’t makes sense in that sentence because I wrote it.
Yk that not all gay people switch right?i m gay but i m a bottom and having to put my hand in someone s hole honnestly disgust me so i ll probably never switch
Right this person is spreading a false narrative like all sexual fluent couples switch, that isn’t very realistic...this has nothing to do with heterosexuals so idk why they brung them up
It doesn't have with sexual fluency but my initial comment talked about representation. My claim was never that there are no explicit tops or bottoms and I'm very curious how you came to that conclusion. Although the evidence provided is completely anecdotal and thus only reflects your experience. Statistically speaking from the limited amount of research done on gay and bi men, approximately 45% are switches, 35% are exclusive bottoms and about 15% are exclusive tops (these are approximations not the exact numbers).
Just because this specific manga doesn’t have the representation YOU would like to see doesn’t mean this is to appease a certain audience, I hope you leave the same comments on all the mangas that’s don’t show seke’s....in your experience that isn’t realistic. Not every manga is gonna suit you and only you sorry you had to hear this but it’s true. They didn’t make it hoping you’d one day see it lol. like I said IF you want more representation MAKE your own manga and have REPRESENTATION how hard is that....and you tried to insult them by saying it’s for heterosexual audiences...like what was the purpose of that it literally added nothing to your argument.
İt just you said a realistic representation of gay people is equal to switches in your initial comment but thats not true since not even half of gay people are switches, the 50 % are either exlusive tops or bottoms(if you add up) so technically speaking a more realistic representation of gay people in manga is when one is an exlusive top and the other an exlusive bottom and not switches, and this obviously without having anything to do with heteronormative norms since even half or irl gay ppl dont switch
You were ranting based off of this one manga...like look up “seke mangago” and there you go plenty of switching mangas right at your vicinity...this rant was unnecessary and uncalled for. If you don’t like the appearances of this certain representation why spend time engaging in it...kinda a waste of space and time! People constantly complain about what they don’t get to see, but will never do anything about it.
This is getting kinda tiring with people clearly missing the point and making points which I've already answered. Also, look elsewhere and write your own are not valid criticisms and are arguments only someone who doesn't understand free speech would make. I won't be responding anymore because this is clearly going in circles.
Sidenote: mAtH
Well....I’m honestly not trying to understand. You aren’t critiquing you’re just stating something you don’t like...that isn’t constructive criticism!
Yeah I agree with you I just wish there was more seke couples out there and if they do have one that actually show them both topping ╥﹏╥ neko x neko is a good one if you havent already read it ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
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He is aware of the fact that his father is dead and he has to pay for his mother's hospital bills as well as his brothers' college tuition and still goes through with it, I don't see how they can turn him into a likeable character
Can you please give the raw link?
Happy ending?please spoil me what happened
I don't know I've only read the first ten episodes.
Where did u read?
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE CHICKEN SOUP SODA!?
I know right!??? Hahaha, why it have to be a chicken soup in that
If anyone has the raws, I'll give you my undying gratitude and my firstborn, please?
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I don't know why there's a drama tag, up at least episode 27 things are happening but the vibe is pretty chill for the most part. Also, this couple is very non toxic so far, to the extent that it's making me suspicious...
It was "Love Tractor" and then two minutes later it was "Master of Master". 'Love Tractor" was hands down the better choice. Also when Euncheol claimed that he broke up with Jooseong I didn't know whether to laugh or get angry because Jooseong was the one that broke up with him. If not for that he'd still be using him to this day.