I don't know why you're doing this. There is literally no point. You have nothing to prove here. Seira and Sho have been the uploaders of this for awhile. We're all happy with their uploads. You're being petty and rude for no reason. Stop.
The reason so many people are upset is that this last chapter was, whether you want to look at it that way or not, unconsensual. It doesn't matter if Jooni said yes before falling asleep. It doesn't matter if he probably - not definitely - would have been okay with with if he woke up in the middle.
What Siwon did was shitty, and completely out of character for him. It doesn't matter that they started out with a BDSM relationship, because the whole point of BDSM is pushing you to your limits sexually, WITH YOUR CONSENT. Jooni could not consent while he was asleep. If this had happened to any of you in real life, I'm guessing that you might not be singing the same tune that you are now. Regardless of whether or not you gave permission beforehand, no one should think it's okay to do that to you when you're sleeping.
That's why everyone here is upset/uncomfortable with this chapter. When Jooni woke up, he thought that he had had a really vivid dream. He didn't realize that he had fallen asleep after initiating sex, and Siwon decided to keep going anyway. It doesn't matter that Siwon was excited, he could have gone and rubbed one out in the bathroom. There was absolutely no reason for what Siwon did. The fact that it makes so many of us uncomfortable to the point where we're voicing our criticism, doesn't mean we're shitting on the manhwa. It means we had high expectations for this story and this previous chapter let us down.
then you could’ve not read it if it made yall uncomfortable? they have a bdsm, cnc relationship. in the beginning they obviously talked about what they were and werent okay with, which most ppl in bdsm or cnc relationships do. what they did is called somnophilia, and its an actual thing. you give consent before you sleep. but ofc this means that you would have to think about it a lot since you can’t take back ur consent once youre asleep, you can once youre awake tho. which he didnt, he didnt say the safe word. if that makes u uncomfortable then idk maybe bdsm or cnc stories arent for u
With all due respect, you're proving my point. There was no talk beforehand. Jooni didn't mean to fall asleep and they didn't discuss safe words or anything before he did. I get that people have different kinks - different plays that they're into. We've clearly seen in this manhwa that Jooni and Siwon have several. And I am not shaming that whatsoever. If they had discussed safe words and somnophilic play before Jooni fell asleep, I wouldn't have written my original post. But it was clear that they didn't by the way Siwon reacted when Jooni fell asleep. I don't hate nor am I uncomfortable with BDSM manhwas. I just wish that BDSM was portrayed correctly. And this manhwa was supposed to be the that one exception to so many others. I get that this is fiction, but art imitates life, and there are so many instances of irresponsible BDSM practices and relationships in the media that it leads to people getting hurt and left feeling violated in real life when that is not the purpose of BDSM.
yes i understand what you meant however since its a book not everything will be in it, so the author mightve meant it as consent and both parties being completely alright with it and just have not put it in. again they shouldve but since its a book its not that big of a deal. however if it was a real life thing then i would agree that they needed a much better scene of consent etc.
Did you not see at the end that he said he had a great dream about Simon fucking him meaning that he would be happy if he knew that Simon what been actual fucking in real life
Dreams and real life are not the same thing. We don't know if Jooni would have been cool with Siwon fucking him while he was asleep because the author didn't make that clear. This is purely your conjecture. I'm sure that the author probably intended it to be that way, but we don't get confirmation
from what is shown to us, and that is why so many people are uncomfortable.
I'm sorry if this doesn't have the angst, the oomph you might be looking for, but that doesn't change the fact that this is a good manga. If you want to read Sayonara Alpha or Megumi to Tsugumi then go ahead. But this isn't either one of those.
Sayonara Alpha is a controversial manga. Many people hate it because of the age gap. I have read it, and I did enjoy it for the most part because nothing happened between them before the kid grew up because the omega,(their names escapes me), knew it was wrong. The mom did what she knew was best and took her son away, and allowed him to make his own decision once he became an adult. It was a poignant story and I loved it.
Megumi to Tsgumi is one of my favorites. I keep up with all the updates. It's lighthearted and hilarious at times. It's a cute story.
People enjoy this manga because of how much Hazuki and Naoto love each other and the family that they've made. This is romantic and sweet, but it's not without its struggles because of how Naoto was severely traumatized by what happened to him in high school and swore that he didn't need any help from alphas. Hazuki was in a similar situation. They found each other and not only came to love each other, but helped each other heal.
Long post short, if this isn't your cup of tea, that's okay. You don't have to read it. But don't come on here in an attempt to shame other people for something that you find mediocre while comparing it to other stories. Again this isn't anything but Kiraide Isasete. Let's just enjoy it for what it is instead of comparing it to what it isn't.
I get it if some people don't like reading BL with children in it, but.... that's pretty much the purpose of omegaverse. So I really don't understand why some people are so bent out of shape saying that children ruin BL. Why are you reading omegaverse if you don't like seeing children in BL????? Those two pretty much go hand in hand. Get off of this manhwa's page if you don't like Byul and leave everybody who adores Byul and will do anything to defend him alone.
bestie- preach. you said it perfectly.
You read my mind. Why they angry at a child that hasn’t even started school yet(⊙…⊙ )
Why are practically all female characters in BL so bitchy!?!?! The only one that I could possibly tolerate right now is Luo Bo's mom. AND SHE SHIPPED HER SON IN A CARDBOARD BOX TO HIS UNCLE SO THAT SHE COULD GO ON A VACATION.
I love that they're properly communicating their feelings now. Communication is key to a thriving relationship, but I'm just sitting over here kicking myself that I didn't wait until this had more chapters before I started reading it because I hate that Jaehwa has to deal with this ridiculous plagiarism issue. Just imagine how that feels. You get disowned by your family for following your passion- something that you're good at too, your boyfriend then makes you choose between your success as a writer and him, and then you're slapped in the face with this big scandal by someone plagiarizing your hard work and making you look like the bad guy. And the people who are trying to screw you over have shitty excuses for it too!!!! I feel like flipping a table, but I am happy that he at least worked things out with Taekyung.
Kittyboy Chanwoo said that they weren't dropping this project and said for no one to upload over them. I appreciate the effort, but uploading over them is really rude. Please don't do this again.
Caly your work is always so good, and there will never be a moment where I don't appreciate everything you do. Your memes and comments make all of your projects greater. I'm sure that the number of people who can never be satisfied is less than the amount of people who think you're a godsend. "Eat a snickers and touch some grass," had me rolling by the way. Stay beautiful Caly!
I personally don't have experience with being small and childlike, but I'm friends with people who look just like Yul. I can understand why it can be difficult to wrap your head around, but at the end of the day you have to face facts; Yul is an adult. He consents to the relationship he has with Luan, so I honestly don't see what the issue so many of you are having to the point where you're saying that you're dropping this manhwa. It may seem shota-ish, but I feel like it's important for people like Yul to get representation because they are out there. And trust me, they are tired of being treated like children or turned down by possible romantic partners simply because of how young they look. It's so dehumanizing and it needs to stop; especially in this comment section.
I agree with you with anything he looks very much more compact which is annoying by any means because they keep kind of making him look wonky body size wise when he shouldn’t and because of that his partner looks wonky because they’re trying to make them fit to that but whatever usually when he standing they look the same as they did before he looks delicate if anything else is not that bad to the point that I would drop it because he clearly like his mindset like the whole thing it’s just I’m clearly a grown ass adult it just has had problems in life so I don’t get why people have to drop it loyal people feeling uncomfortable
If he looked like this from the beginning, I could understand your argument for representation.
But he looked very different at first. Also young, but not super small compared to the dude fucking him. It makes sense people are weirded out by this choice the author made. Their opinion is just as valid as yours.
To the people defending Heiner in the comments- why? This isn't necessarily a dig, a callout, a bashing, or whatever. I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel the need to defend this man's actions, while at the same time, belittling what Annette has gone through at his hands.
Recap of Annette's story so far- a young woman, with a very cushy life that has everything that she could ever want or need, is very brutally forced into a waking nightmare overnight when rebel forces storm into her home and kill her father right in front of her. Her mother commits suicide, and the man she loves is revealed to be the leader of the revolution that is responsible for the death of her family. He makes it very clear that he married her to get closer to her father in order to bring him down, and wants to make her life as miserable as possible since her father is no longer alive to answer for his crimes. This man does nothing as Annette is painted as a villain in the press, shunned and mocked in society, and treated like a criminal by his subordinates and staff in the manor - all because of who her father was. Not for anything that she herself did, but because of actions commited by a dead man. She has not a single person on her side that she can confide in and is contantly monitered so that everything she says and does can be reported back to her jailer- sorry, I mean husband.
If this were it, I could somewhat understand people in comments saying that Heiner is just misunderstood and that we need to give him a chance to redeem himself, but all of that pales in comparison to what he did after she was hospitalized from being gunned down in the street. This poor woman wakes up in the hospital after she gets shot by somebody that she has never seen before in her life, and is hit with the realization that her life will continue to get worse and worse because of her lineage. Someone that she has never spoken a word to, hated her so much because of who her father was, that he wanted her dead. She barely comes to terms with that fact when she's informed that she was pregnant, and suffered a miscarriage because of the shooting. And that she would never be able to safely have children because of the shooting and her already poor health. Everything that Annette has ever dreamed of having in her life has now been ripped away from her. A comfortable life filled with music, children, and the man she loved all flushed down the toilet in an instant. Does Heiner apologize for the position he's forced her into? Comfort her on her miscarriage? Assure her that everything will be fine in the end? No. He tells her that if she really wanted kids, he would be fine with her adopting some. Then acts all shocked and flustered when she finally hits her breaking point and blows up at him. And continues to treat her with disdain, as if she were no more than a petulant child, when they get back to the manor. She slowly starts to spiral until she doesn't see the point of living anymore and tries to kill herself. Even then, the people around her don't give her any grace or decency, and instead make snide comments about how she's just extremely shallow and attention seeking. But hey! Heiner achieved what he wanted - making her life so miserable that she didn't want to live anymore. Only now, that wasn't what he was aiming for at all, despite claiming that the only reason he was still married to Annette was to make her suffer.
Every time we read from his perspective, he has a very negative, callous outlook when it comes to Annette. Because she's the daughter of a man who treated Heiner and his collegues like canon fodder and not human beings, he decides that the best way to get revenge is to essentially do the same thing to her? We all know that deep down he loves her, and that its hard to seperate that love he has for her from her parentage, but most other people in that situation would have just avoided her and moved on. Not fixated on making her life a living hell by treating her like she's less than human. Because he's convinced himself that she's just as awful as her father, and to get back at her and her family, he decides that he's going to make her as tainted and as scarred as he is. He wants to drag her down to the same depths of despair and self-loathing as him because he has it in his head that that's the only way to avenge his dead comrades and to find justice for what was done to him. Does he still seem redeemable to all those defending him?
I'm not glossing over what was done to him, nor am I saying that he doesn't deserve justice, but that doesn't mean he gets to infict massive trauma on another person who had no knowledge, let alone say or control, of the tragedies that he went through. You can sympathize with Heiner all you want, and I won't say anything in response, but don't try and excuse what he did to Annette because of his past. There is no excuse for what he did to her.
Sorry for the essay, but I'm a little heated.
Not reading that at all but I stay with u fuck his ex husband.
They're pickme girls.
PREACHHHH.. cuz wtf r these ppl doing defending this man?? I honestly hope they won't went up with an abusive man, but yk sometimes ppl have to go through something for them to sympathize and understand how shtty it is.
Tbf I don't think it's a case of pick me or being an apologist. I don't even think they're necessarily defending his actions or excusing them (at least the comments I've read). I think they're more saying "it makes sense." He's not some unreasonable evil entity. I think thats all people are saying (which I'll now also go on to say lolol)
People who go through traumatic situations (especially one like his where I would be *extremely* surprised if anyone here has gone through similar) often end up hurting others. I don't think people understand how much literal actual torture can mess up one's psyche. It's not about his actions being "good" or "defendable," but it's something that happens in real life. It's realistic. He's very obviously not "most people" given his history. As unfortunate as it is for both, she's all he ever thought about. That being tangled in during literal actual torture won't end up going well.
He's not even the only one in this world that views Annette the same as her father. Catherine is an exception, not the rule in treating Annette with kindness. So this probably doesn't help in the time just before their divorce.
And to the point of "people just need to go through something like this to understand":
I've been in a long term abusive relationship. I can still see the "logic" of how the person I was with ended up the way they were. Does that mean I defend their actions? No. I'm not with them anymore, but even now, I worry about them at times. I personally was able to disentangle, but when someone is your whole life/all you think about (as it is with both characters) its quite hard. Things aren't black and white. It's not about defending, it's just about understanding and recognizing that Heiner is a realistic character just as much as Annnette is.
That's at least my take on the whole comment debacle :)