To the people defending Heiner in the comments- why? This isn't necessarily a dig, a callout, a bashing, or whatever. I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel the need to defend this man's actions, while at the same time, belittling what Annette has gone through at his hands.
Recap of Annette's story so far- a young woman, with a very cushy life that has everything that she could ever want or need, is very brutally forced into a waking nightmare overnight when rebel forces storm into her home and kill her father right in front of her. Her mother commits suicide, and the man she loves is revealed to be the leader of the revolution that is responsible for the death of her family. He makes it very clear that he married her to get closer to her father in order to bring him down, and wants to make her life as miserable as possible since her father is no longer alive to answer for his crimes. This man does nothing as Annette is painted as a villain in the press, shunned and mocked in society, and treated like a criminal by his subordinates and staff in the manor - all because of who her father was. Not for anything that she herself did, but because of actions commited by a dead man. She has not a single person on her side that she can confide in and is contantly monitered so that everything she says and does can be reported back to her jailer- sorry, I mean husband.
If this were it, I could somewhat understand people in comments saying that Heiner is just misunderstood and that we need to give him a chance to redeem himself, but all of that pales in comparison to what he did after she was hospitalized from being gunned down in the street. This poor woman wakes up in the hospital after she gets shot by somebody that she has never seen before in her life, and is hit with the realization that her life will continue to get worse and worse because of her lineage. Someone that she has never spoken a word to, hated her so much because of who her father was, that he wanted her dead. She barely comes to terms with that fact when she's informed that she was pregnant, and suffered a miscarriage because of the shooting. And that she would never be able to safely have children because of the shooting and her already poor health. Everything that Annette has ever dreamed of having in her life has now been ripped away from her. A comfortable life filled with music, children, and the man she loved all flushed down the toilet in an instant. Does Heiner apologize for the position he's forced her into? Comfort her on her miscarriage? Assure her that everything will be fine in the end? No. He tells her that if she really wanted kids, he would be fine with her adopting some. Then acts all shocked and flustered when she finally hits her breaking point and blows up at him. And continues to treat her with disdain, as if she were no more than a petulant child, when they get back to the manor. She slowly starts to spiral until she doesn't see the point of living anymore and tries to kill herself. Even then, the people around her don't give her any grace or decency, and instead make snide comments about how she's just extremely shallow and attention seeking. But hey! Heiner achieved what he wanted - making her life so miserable that she didn't want to live anymore. Only now, that wasn't what he was aiming for at all, despite claiming that the only reason he was still married to Annette was to make her suffer.
Every time we read from his perspective, he has a very negative, callous outlook when it comes to Annette. Because she's the daughter of a man who treated Heiner and his collegues like canon fodder and not human beings, he decides that the best way to get revenge is to essentially do the same thing to her? We all know that deep down he loves her, and that its hard to seperate that love he has for her from her parentage, but most other people in that situation would have just avoided her and moved on. Not fixated on making her life a living hell by treating her like she's less than human. Because he's convinced himself that she's just as awful as her father, and to get back at her and her family, he decides that he's going to make her as tainted and as scarred as he is. He wants to drag her down to the same depths of despair and self-loathing as him because he has it in his head that that's the only way to avenge his dead comrades and to find justice for what was done to him. Does he still seem redeemable to all those defending him?
I'm not glossing over what was done to him, nor am I saying that he doesn't deserve justice, but that doesn't mean he gets to infict massive trauma on another person who had no knowledge, let alone say or control, of the tragedies that he went through. You can sympathize with Heiner all you want, and I won't say anything in response, but don't try and excuse what he did to Annette because of his past. There is no excuse for what he did to her.
PREACHHHH.. cuz wtf r these ppl doing defending this man?? I honestly hope they won't went up with an abusive man, but yk sometimes ppl have to go through something for them to sympathize and understand how shtty it is.
Tbf I don't think it's a case of pick me or being an apologist. I don't even think they're necessarily defending his actions or excusing them (at least the comments I've read). I think they're more saying "it makes sense." He's not some unreasonable evil entity. I think thats all people are saying (which I'll now also go on to say lolol) People who go through traumatic situations (especially one like his where I would be *extremely* surprised if anyone here has gone through similar) often end up hurting others. I don't think people understand how much literal actual torture can mess up one's psyche. It's not about his actions being "good" or "defendable," but it's something that happens in real life. It's realistic. He's very obviously not "most people" given his history. As unfortunate as it is for both, she's all he ever thought about. That being tangled in during literal actual torture won't end up going well.
He's not even the only one in this world that views Annette the same as her father. Catherine is an exception, not the rule in treating Annette with kindness. So this probably doesn't help in the time just before their divorce.
And to the point of "people just need to go through something like this to understand":
I've been in a long term abusive relationship. I can still see the "logic" of how the person I was with ended up the way they were. Does that mean I defend their actions? No. I'm not with them anymore, but even now, I worry about them at times. I personally was able to disentangle, but when someone is your whole life/all you think about (as it is with both characters) its quite hard. Things aren't black and white. It's not about defending, it's just about understanding and recognizing that Heiner is a realistic character just as much as Annnette is. That's at least my take on the whole comment debacle :)
I don't know why you're doing this. There is literally no point. You have nothing to prove here. Seira and Sho have been the uploaders of this for awhile. We're all happy with their uploads. You're being petty and rude for no reason. Stop.
To the people defending Heiner in the comments- why? This isn't necessarily a dig, a callout, a bashing, or whatever. I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel the need to defend this man's actions, while at the same time, belittling what Annette has gone through at his hands.
Recap of Annette's story so far- a young woman, with a very cushy life that has everything that she could ever want or need, is very brutally forced into a waking nightmare overnight when rebel forces storm into her home and kill her father right in front of her. Her mother commits suicide, and the man she loves is revealed to be the leader of the revolution that is responsible for the death of her family. He makes it very clear that he married her to get closer to her father in order to bring him down, and wants to make her life as miserable as possible since her father is no longer alive to answer for his crimes. This man does nothing as Annette is painted as a villain in the press, shunned and mocked in society, and treated like a criminal by his subordinates and staff in the manor - all because of who her father was. Not for anything that she herself did, but because of actions commited by a dead man. She has not a single person on her side that she can confide in and is contantly monitered so that everything she says and does can be reported back to her jailer- sorry, I mean husband.
If this were it, I could somewhat understand people in comments saying that Heiner is just misunderstood and that we need to give him a chance to redeem himself, but all of that pales in comparison to what he did after she was hospitalized from being gunned down in the street. This poor woman wakes up in the hospital after she gets shot by somebody that she has never seen before in her life, and is hit with the realization that her life will continue to get worse and worse because of her lineage. Someone that she has never spoken a word to, hated her so much because of who her father was, that he wanted her dead. She barely comes to terms with that fact when she's informed that she was pregnant, and suffered a miscarriage because of the shooting. And that she would never be able to safely have children because of the shooting and her already poor health. Everything that Annette has ever dreamed of having in her life has now been ripped away from her. A comfortable life filled with music, children, and the man she loved all flushed down the toilet in an instant. Does Heiner apologize for the position he's forced her into? Comfort her on her miscarriage? Assure her that everything will be fine in the end? No. He tells her that if she really wanted kids, he would be fine with her adopting some. Then acts all shocked and flustered when she finally hits her breaking point and blows up at him. And continues to treat her with disdain, as if she were no more than a petulant child, when they get back to the manor. She slowly starts to spiral until she doesn't see the point of living anymore and tries to kill herself. Even then, the people around her don't give her any grace or decency, and instead make snide comments about how she's just extremely shallow and attention seeking. But hey! Heiner achieved what he wanted - making her life so miserable that she didn't want to live anymore. Only now, that wasn't what he was aiming for at all, despite claiming that the only reason he was still married to Annette was to make her suffer.
Every time we read from his perspective, he has a very negative, callous outlook when it comes to Annette. Because she's the daughter of a man who treated Heiner and his collegues like canon fodder and not human beings, he decides that the best way to get revenge is to essentially do the same thing to her? We all know that deep down he loves her, and that its hard to seperate that love he has for her from her parentage, but most other people in that situation would have just avoided her and moved on. Not fixated on making her life a living hell by treating her like she's less than human. Because he's convinced himself that she's just as awful as her father, and to get back at her and her family, he decides that he's going to make her as tainted and as scarred as he is. He wants to drag her down to the same depths of despair and self-loathing as him because he has it in his head that that's the only way to avenge his dead comrades and to find justice for what was done to him. Does he still seem redeemable to all those defending him?
I'm not glossing over what was done to him, nor am I saying that he doesn't deserve justice, but that doesn't mean he gets to infict massive trauma on another person who had no knowledge, let alone say or control, of the tragedies that he went through. You can sympathize with Heiner all you want, and I won't say anything in response, but don't try and excuse what he did to Annette because of his past. There is no excuse for what he did to her.
Sorry for the essay, but I'm a little heated.
Not reading that at all but I stay with u fuck his ex husband.
They're pickme girls.
PREACHHHH.. cuz wtf r these ppl doing defending this man?? I honestly hope they won't went up with an abusive man, but yk sometimes ppl have to go through something for them to sympathize and understand how shtty it is.
Tbf I don't think it's a case of pick me or being an apologist. I don't even think they're necessarily defending his actions or excusing them (at least the comments I've read). I think they're more saying "it makes sense." He's not some unreasonable evil entity. I think thats all people are saying (which I'll now also go on to say lolol)
People who go through traumatic situations (especially one like his where I would be *extremely* surprised if anyone here has gone through similar) often end up hurting others. I don't think people understand how much literal actual torture can mess up one's psyche. It's not about his actions being "good" or "defendable," but it's something that happens in real life. It's realistic. He's very obviously not "most people" given his history. As unfortunate as it is for both, she's all he ever thought about. That being tangled in during literal actual torture won't end up going well.
He's not even the only one in this world that views Annette the same as her father. Catherine is an exception, not the rule in treating Annette with kindness. So this probably doesn't help in the time just before their divorce.
And to the point of "people just need to go through something like this to understand":
I've been in a long term abusive relationship. I can still see the "logic" of how the person I was with ended up the way they were. Does that mean I defend their actions? No. I'm not with them anymore, but even now, I worry about them at times. I personally was able to disentangle, but when someone is your whole life/all you think about (as it is with both characters) its quite hard. Things aren't black and white. It's not about defending, it's just about understanding and recognizing that Heiner is a realistic character just as much as Annnette is.
That's at least my take on the whole comment debacle :)