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It reminds me my mother picked up a mattress that had fleas in it, so yeah, Rashta.

I DO CARE ABOUT TAKATO BEING RAPED, WHAT JUNTA DID WAS WRONG AND LET TELL YOU HONEY I DON'T JUSTIFY IT IN ANY WAY BUT HE'S CHANGED AND IT WAS ONE TIME

*ME

Sorry, I had caps lock on but I don't justify it and even though it was one time it's still rape but at least he's changed as a better person...

thank you for telling me he changes ill keep reading it then

I just didn't want people to completely ignore that he was raped because this happens in other mangas.

I hate to break it to you but it wasn’t a one time thing. Junta raped takato again in the Spain arc. He tied him to the bed when takato was shouting No. you can tell he wasn’t enjoying it. Honestly reading that chapter was traumatic.

Ohhhh I forgot about that! Yeah, that too which is two times but at least he's changed.... Right???

maybe he just didnt change at all

Yeah. In the extras following the Spain arc, takato is drunk, junta asks him if they can have sex, takato says NO he just wants to sleep and junta doesn’t listen and rapes him. The extras following the Spain arc show how junta is constantly assaulting takato. Junta dressed up like a stalker and molests takato in front of his apartment to show what could happen to him. Of course this frightens takato. The imagery in that extra in frightening.

I do think that most of his “no’s” are him practically saying yes though. His personality is like that just as it shows in the most recent chapters. He wants junta to continue but can’t help but say no.

Of course it doesn’t justify the first rape but I do think he still agreed to have sex for a second time during the first chapter. Sometimes I wish rape didn’t exist in these so we wouldn’t have to have such heated discussions X(

Yes I wanted to say this because people keep fetishizing the fact the scenes are hot or look good when it is something that shouldn't be fetishized

Agreed! There are plenty of yaoi with consensual sex. I recommend burlesque night, punch up, mousou catalogue

thank you for the recommendations

The thing that wasn't explained really good in anime, and you will see it here later is this - they knew each other 1 year before the rape takes place. When they first met they are attracted to each other but while Chunta realises what he feels is love, Takato tinks that himself is just jealous of Chunta. The author puts a note telling that she wanted to show how close they are from the start. I'm not saying for even a second that rape it's ok. But you must keep in mind their first meeting, and the fact that later Takato himself tells Junta "don't ask me or I'll say no", because he knows he is too embarassed and prideful to simply agree. This makes it at least a little better as a whole.

Also, the reply that said that Junta raped Takato in spain is wrong. Junta indeed stopped Takato from leaving, but when they started undressing, Takato said he felt the urge to hold Junta. I'm pretty sure a victim doesn't want to have sex with the rapist. And yes, he did change. In latest chapters Takato is angry at Junta because as soon as Junta hears "no" or "stop" he stops. And Takato can't help but say those things in the act so he's frustrated they can't do it because Junta keeps stopping.

A character lives and operates in its own world and doesn't necessarily have to be a reflection of the society. Yes dubious consent/no consent tropes exists and quite popularly so in a lot of manga/manhwas.
It's just that ur comment saying 'so nobody is going to talk about..' made me chuckle bcz ppl have talked about it, ppl are still talking about it and don't worry ppl will keep talking about it.
It's just that sometimes readers don't look for a moral high ground in fiction. Doesn't necessarily mean they condone anything that is considered wrong in the real world.

I know that people talk about it but the comments that i saw didn't and trust i know that people will keep talking about it. I know that people don't look for the moral high ground when reading fiction but i just don't want people to just ignore that it happened.

do you want me to delete my comment

No no pls don't take my words as something mean. Your feelings are absolutely valid. There's no argument here at all that ppl can get uncomfortable with certain storylines and it's absolutely fine. I am not going to defend any character here or even claim their redemption. I just wanted to ease out ur worries that ppl at large don't agree with such tropes in real life.

i didn't take your words as something mean I was just ask because i didn't want anyone to get upset or anything thing or think that i was trying to be rude or anything

Can I say something, In many mangas I have scene ppl commenting about rape and their anger and yeah it is correct to feel that way. But I believe is that you cannot call a sex night rape when the other partner acknowledges it. Yes the very first time they did ,you could actually call it a rape but did anyone of you mentioned this in comment that how gentlely Chunta holded takato that night . Yes Takato did not wanted it and did it with him without any acknowledgement but Chunta holded him so gently and cutely that the next morning Takato was not able to believe that he was feeling good last night . And yeah if you want to talk about rape . Read 'Okane ga nai ' then only you will understand about the gentleness they had in sex. In OKane ha nai , the seme rapes him so roughly that the uke was literally crying ( not with pleasure) and even got sick afterwards . That's what you call a rape .
Even when he was angry, he never thrusted his p**** into Takato without actually preparing him( unless Takato asked himself) and yeah In this entire story, I will consider the fact he raped him was in Spain chapters . Yes that was something that was rape and I will never say that was not rape .But you know the fact is they love each other so much that it doesn't really matter whatever happens in their private life because in the end everything will be back to normal

you make fair point

Even if junta loves takato, I’d actually like to see him apologize for his actions or show guilt in the least. In the Spain chapter, I don’t see him apologizing to takato. It seems to be implied that takato should’ve been the one to apologize because the author tries to make us empathize with junta that hes terrified of being alone

Oh that I agree with , he should atleast apologize

He did apologize. From the first chapter. When Takato said that what he is saying soind like he is confessing his feelings Chunta said that he is not confessing cuz he doesn't want to confess that way, then apologized for how he treated Takato and asked for a chance to propely show him his feelings, to which Takato agreed

I'm really sorry for butting in when you asked someone else this, and you don't have to read my reply but I just have to say my point of view.
There is nothing wrong with your comment, but it attracted a lot of toxic people that actually lie about what happened in the manga.
- a comment saying Chunta raped Takato again in Spain when actually in the manga Takato is clearly saying he feels the urge to hold Chunta, the only thing that was annoying his was that he was tied, but doesn't change the fact that he said he wanted to do it
- another comment saying that Chunta raped Takato after Takato said no and that he wanted to sleep when what actually happened was that Takato indeed said no, and he was scared, but he SAID himself that what was scared was the fact that he was feeling good and he was scared of his own emotions of liking Chunta
And it honestly disgusts me that after the author works so much, these people that enjoy her manga (because why else would they read so many chapters if they don't like it) still talk trash abot it when they can. There is nothing wrong with your comment, but the other ones that replied to it ruin the rating of the manga because the new people that read comments to see how the manga is before actually starting to read it will see all those lies.

I mean in the Spain arc he didn’t apologize.

Also, for the record, if you’re referring to me as one of these toxic people, I’m not. I’m not spreading lies. I’m telling the truth. It all depends on how you interpret it. I read the chapters after chapter 1 because I wanted to give the manga another chance to see if junta would redeem himself. But honestly, after finishing up the Spain arc and reading the extras, it was my choice not to read anymore. Has Hashigo Sakurabi is known for adding rape as a plot point to her mangas like nerotare triangle and the other one. I don’t care how smutty her smur scenes are, I’ve seen other manga where the uke says no, but the way I interpret Takato saying no is different from how they say no. I’m standing by what I think and if people decide to agree with me and disagree with me, so be it but I’m not toxic!

It's not all about how you interpret it, it's about what it's actually shown in the manga. First one was rape, yes. I won't ever deny that. After that Chunta apologizes for the way he treated Takato and Takato accept to be in a relation with him. At the spain arc Takato said "I feel the urge to hold him". Yes, he was annoyied to be tied, but he god damned wanted to have sex lmfao. There is nothing more to it. Rape is about a person having sex with someone that doesn't want to, so it's not the situation here. Also, you are talking as if after Spain arc you dropped it, so I should let you know that in the new arc Chunta stopps touching Takato in the moment he hears "no" and "stop" and Takato is angry at him because his no is not a real no. I don't know if you are a virgin or something but a LOT of people moan things like "no" "stop" "of god" "impossible" etc. So yeah, first one was rape. That was the only rape scene in this manga. Rest are lies or people that think they can interpret it in any way they want.

And you totally lied about the drinking chapter. Lmao for not even a single second Takato said "no, I want to sleep". He was scared at first, and first time reading that I was actually surprised and wondered why, until HE SAID he was scared of feeling good and enjoying it. Over the chapter you see Takato being scared of how much he starts loving Chunta, they said it even in Spain arc. He was scared of his feeling for Chunta growing even more, making it a sweet scene with development and all and then you straight up come and say "nah he wanted to sleep", literally destroying all the work and feeling put in that chapter :/

All of you are so wrong the first was never and ever a rape . Takato said that he can ask anything he wants and a pervert like him ask to have sex . Yeah after that they did it but look it was such a soft gentle sex damn it . Yeah it was wrong of him but as he promised he only did it once and he could have left marks but he did not bc takato asked him to And moreover as soon as Chunta realise his mistake, he bent down on his knees to apologise and you know if Takato was to ever apologize about how wrongly he said about Chunta he will only bow down to him ,not totally bending on his knees and apologizing.They also have there reputation and no flim star will even bent down on knees and ask forgiveness like that . Even Takato saw how much guilt he was feeling and thus excepted his apologies. You know if the reply section had photo attachment I would have definitely showed you the screen shot with underlined apology and bending down .

I didn't mean to be like this but to me , Azumaya Junta is my favourite male lead and I just don't liked it how you all just accusing him.

I will only say that if there was a tiny bit of rape then it was only in the Flamengo arc .

It was 0% rape in Flamengo arc. I'm guessing yall so intrigued by the actual sex scene that you don't listen what the characters are saying. Takato said HE WANTS TO HOLD CHUNTA. The only thing that annoyed him was being tied while doing it. End of discussion. Also about the first chapter it's not as easy as it is. Takato did say he can do what he wants but that doesn't mean he wanted sex. For an example if some yakuza is going to cut your finger for your debt it's not like you wanted to have a finger cut off even if you knew and accepted it's going to happen. But yes, I partially agree with you even tho no one reading this wants to see it from an open perspective (I'm actually really glad to read your reply). Everyone seems to forget for example that the two of them met before in the past and the author made a note saying "I wanted to show how close they are from the first time they met" - a meeting where Chuta realizes he loves Takato while Takato isn't accepting his own feelings and thinks that he is just jealous of Chunta. So basically at the first manga chapter they already liked each other. The story is really deep when talking about feelings and stuff but people reading it are so close minded and instead of really listening ALL the facts and things they said they can just think "rape, sex, meh" which makes it a waste of a lot of effort put in how deep this shit actually is. I'm honestly glad I saw a comment like yours that its from a way more open perspective than the rest.

Thank you man and you know after reading your comment, I am quite happy that atleast their are some white knights in these comment section . If we see it with your perspective about the flemengo arc then it is proved their was no rape their as well . And with this we can say that in the entire manga till now their had not been a single rape attempt. WITH THIS WE CAN SAY THAT THE TOPIC IS FINALLY CONCLUDED WITH ZERO RAPE PROVE

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