I dont understand Atropos reason for doing all this..
SO Maiz is a sinner in her eyes? and she wants her to suffer for eternity so she wants maze to be with the ex?
But why... what has Maze done to be a sinner in her eyes other than not being a punshingbag for the ex?
I think it’s because she didn’t follow the story. Everyone had a set destiny and maze didn’t follow hers. That would also explain why she sees her as a sinner. I don’t think Atropos cares if the ex is a scum bag. All she cares about is everyone following their destiny and mazes destiny was to be with that idiot trash bag not the demon king. I could be wrong though but that’s how I see it, or she’s just a bitch and is pulling shit from her ass. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
ok.. let me get this straight.. a manga with a FL who worked and did anything for money to pay off the debt from having to care for her sick and now dead mother is a scumbag..
But why dont i hear the same badmouthing and critisism of mangas with a Ml who does the exact same? In the mangas with a ML who was like this.. ppl validate it as him "doing what he had to do to survive" and aplauding the "changes" he makes when he falls for FL...
Yet here we have a FL experiencing the same yet still being judged even when she makes changer... and the argument is "she was shit so she got what she deserves" and "she should abandoning everything and starting anew in a new area".. SHE HAS NO MONEY.. how would she start anew with no cash and debtcolector hunting her? Honestly..
No one questiones a male character who has been trained and raised all his life to be a knight to pay of a debt..
So why are so many quetioninng the FL about the same..
How many stories have we seen with Tyrants ending up with a Fl and ppl going "he changed for her" .. and yet here we are and FL somehow deserved worse than death?
I am literaly not hearing much critique of FL's ex comander who orderd here to do all that bad shit.. and im even seeing ppl blody defending him and saying he is better than her.
I'm sure you and all of us know the answer to this. A lot of readers for this genre are women and as such, they tend to be harder on women than men. In some cases, its the dreaded internalized misogyny, in others its a case of being disappointed in someone of their gender being like that because they believe THEY would never be like that and they expect more from women than men.
Another reason is lower expectations or 'gap moe' if you're familiar with the term. MLs are portrayed to be cold, aloof, rude, violent, arrogant, etc. So when they show ANY redeeming quality or say one thing nice, it has more impact. Its like when FLs who are expected to be pure, devoted, friendly and people pleasing show any flaw at all, they get ripped apart.
The last reason is very shallow and the saddest of all: hot guys get a free pass. Theres manga where hot guys just kill people for no reason, they just like killing, no revenge plot, nothing. Theres manga where hot guys are actually abusive, overbearing, CRIMINALS toward the FL but they're hot. Anything a hot guy can do is fine because they are hot. The readers are livid when a FL does any of that shit because how DARE they when they're not even a hot guy?
That being said, these are my general observations after reading manga (and the like) for over a decade), I haven't personally seen any on this one in particular.
you are right, and sadly.. its the same readers who feel that way that also say all isekai / reincarnation stories are practicaly the same..
Yet hate every time a new type comes out and says stuff like "why didnt fl do what that fl did"... and in 70% of those stories they refer to FL got out of debt / a sticky situation by marrying a rich nobel.. aka they sold themself but its all good and dandy because the huband comes to live FL in the end..
And in the last 30% Fl is from a high ranking nobel family.. aka money and power.
In this story FL is a commoner with no father and isnt considerd "pretty" and is stronger and more talented than most nobel men.. hence the nobel men feeling inferior to a "common girl" and hence all that bad rumors about Fl.. Think about it .. the bad rumors were there befor FL literaly sold herself to the black knight..
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So the bad guy is looking for a suitable vessel aka FL in this case, to trancfer himself into.
The reason he wants FL is because of her bloodline. The first head of her family made a pact with the "Winters arch enemy" aka the bad guy in returne for his bloodline being servants of said being. The first head of FL's family had red hair, as generations of marrages the blood thined and red hair = suitable container. The red Magic in FL is the magic her famerly was granted by the deal, the blue magic is the Winters magic which is the only magic that can hurt and seal the beings magic aka the black magic energy.
Fl and Ml are becomming happy and love eacother. Meanwhile in FL's house the sister is throwing thantrums as none of her "partys and so forth" she has hosted have been a sucsess, hench the nobels are starting to critisize her. The sister hates this and uses the exuse "they just hate how down to eart i am, and dont like i help and support the commoners!". In reality even the givavays for commoners have failed as FL was originaly in charge of all the work. The sister wants to be seen as down to earth and not as a nobel, yet loves to flaunt the "priceless gifts" the prince gives her.
Badguy ses the sister and makes a plan, as she is selfish selfcentered and greedy. He aproaches her as a "academy friend" who compliments her and every time he is near noone questiones her "caracter" like they have after Fl left.
Bad guy is inwited into the home and quickly uses his power to semi controle those of FL's bloodline aka father and brother, the mother is only tranced.
Bad buy inhances Spoiled sisters "manipulation magic" so eveyone around her does what she wants, and hence she tells the prince "I WANA MARRY!" so ofcorse the wedding procedes, and FL and Ml have to come.
When FL and Ml arive the father, mother and brother are loving to her and missed her, but the second the sister arives they all become tranched and kick FL to the cirve. Ml finds this strange as it was like they were being controled. (This shows us that the father and mothers neglect and hate for FL was actualy the sisters's doing. The sister did it subcouncious yes, but it was still her wish to have the family hate FL....such a spoiled brat).
The wedding proceds and this is where Badguys real plan is revealed. FL and Ml destroyed badguys curse on the land of winter, so he wants to turne the knigdome into his new land of eternal winter. The sister and Prince walk to the altar and proceed with the wedding, FL wishes her sister a happy marriage. But the sister isnt happy, in fact she ask the prince to stop the wedding as she wants to mary another, naturaly the prince donst take kindly to this. Sister gets angry and releases more potent controle magic and makes all tranched exept the ppl with Winter magic. The sister proceeds to explain that she will marry the man she was ment to aka Ml, that way she will have it all!. Ml prompty slaps her and away and says "No", the sister is in shock as he dosnt do her bidding.
Ml uses his Winter magic and removes the controle magic, leaving everyone to remember what the sister had said and done. The prince isnt happy with the sister, FL proptly tells her sister to stay away form her husband.
SIster screams at FL about getting in the way of her happyness, and FL answers with "at least i dont use magic to bend ppl to my will" and points at a red necklase the bad buy gave the sister (necklas enchances her controle magic).
Fl slaps her isster and tells her to stop being spoiled, all the guests start t whisper about the sister. The sister screams "unfair" and "why are you ruining everything", FL reminds her sister that she did all the work while the sister took all the credit. SO when FL married her work was reconised, where ass all the sister could do was spoit rightious words and throw a fit. FL mentiones that as she worked with her husband their love grew, and reminds the sister that she only married her husband because the sister threatened to kill herself if she had to marry him and yet here she is claiming FL "Stole" Ml.
The sister throws anotehr fit and starts to use controel magic, but FL swiftly takes the enhancing necklas. The sister beggs for it back, but FL uses Winter magic and destroys it.
The sister smiles and faints while the power of the badguy surges into Fl and goes amoch, ppl strugle to try and leave and the bad guy makes his entrance.
Sister wakes up and sees Badguy whom she calls out to, but he ignores her and walks to the center of the room and starts casting magic (he is trying to corrupt the Gral).
FL's body was the Key to opening a gate to the other side, meanwhile Ml remembers documentation pased down in the Winter household of how their land was cursed (human sacrifice was needed for the curse to be bound, hench the guests).
The Winter knighst fight to stop the deaths of citicents meanwhile, outside snow has
started to fall.
The civilians group together in a corner, while the Winter knighst and Ml protects them. The sister questions how all of this could happen, and her fatehr walks over to her and screams at her "You DID THIS!, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!", the other civilians also start to wisper in unhappy tones bout her.
The sister screams back at them all, arousing the badguys intrest. Badguy walks over and seals all the civilians in a dark barrier, the sister runs up to him and says "this isnt what you promised" (or something of that sort). Badguy reminds her that he never made any promisess but offers her a hand! Badguy says she can have everything back if she drinks from his chalis (like her ansestor did when amking a pact), the sister promptly agree and drink it inspite of ther fatehr telling her not to.
The badguys power sourges in the sister who smiles and says "i feel the power", but it was short lived as the sisters body is incompatible hench she caughs up blood. Confused the sister saks whats going on, and badguy tells her she just wanst compatible and that she should have know that!. Badguy proceds to walk away from sister laying corrupted and bleeding on the ground, sister reaches for her mother and baby brother and asks for help ,but both mother and baby brother looks at her with fear and disgust while hugging eacother. Even the father cant look at the sister anymore and averts his gaze.
Badguy proseds to walk twards the unconciou FL in the Ml's arms, Ml protects FL with his own body.
A sceen is show of other ppl, presuably the Winterborns and how it all started. Duno to be honest.
To put it in simple terms.. FL accepts and becomes one with her Winterborn magic and wakes up.
FLs winterborn magic awakens and supressed the badguy, FL then proceds to gather and absorb all the badguys magic into her self and either seal, purify or destroy it.
Ml finishes off badguy, and the gate close and eternal winter is prevented.
Time passes and FL and her friends disguss the incident and FL's sisters punishment as she betrayed not only her family but the kingdome itself. Fl and Ml find them self happy, meanwhile the kingdome is still trying to fix itself. The prince is trying to apease all the nobels whos trust he has lost, while also strugeling with his own emotions and questioning why he ever loved the spoiled while sister of Fl.
Some more happy moments happen, and Ml shows Fl just how much he loves her. He searched and tracked down the locket her sister had stolen and thrown away!
Also The sister is miserable :p
Fl's spoiled sister got her wish :p she is now a commoner :p
Living under constant watch, having to work and is not respected.
She stays in a work house with and owner who is angry with her for her lack of getting up in the morning. The owner kicks her out and tells her to go do her job, if you don work you dont eat and so forth. The sister is now dirty, wearing an old ragged dress and only one sho, as the owner threw her out to get her to go to work. She quickly notices how everyone is glaring at her and wispering and feels looked down upon.
Cut to some time later, the sisters ex-bestfriend (the girl who could no longer stand er double standards) is going to a meeting ins a gorgeous dress and escorted by a gentelman. They enter the place they are going and a servant girl spills a bucket, the servant gilr is FL's sister with shoulderlength firty hair (had to sell for cash) dressed in rags mopping the floor.
The owner of the building scolds the sister for causing a sceen with guests there. The ex-friend reconises her and aproaches while her escort wonders why she would aproach "that".
The Ex.friend invites the sister for some tea, asks how she has been and so forth. The sister explains its hard, shes cold and strugeling and everyone is mean. The ex-friend says something along the line of thats the life of a commoner. That she hated on a loving sister and mistreated a nice fiance, that FL had done so much for her yet she never walued it and instead hated on her for it.
The sister asks what to do now or how to fix it and the ex friend prety much tells her that ship has sailed and to she needs to live with her choices shes made and their conciqueses (as she walsk away form the sister).
The sister cries and remmebers being in bed recovering with the prince next to her, she reached out her hand and asked him to look at her and he looked at her wit a blan dead stare while asking her "why?, wasnt i enough?". The sister cries again.
The rest is happy after some years chapters :p
You're not kidding about the long part lol but I just wanna remind you that when you're trying to comment, there's a button in between the title and comment boxes that you can select, to tag this comment as spoilers. So that this will be doubly tagged as spoilers. Some people didn't realize that so just saying.
So about that part where you mentioned the ML effing SLAP that beech, I hope oh I really hope the artist will make that entire part into one whole glorious chapter. Just for the slap. I wanna see it drawn in all angles, in slow motion. I will absolutely frame that moment in my collection of "Most Satisfying Slap/Punch Ever".
So many ppl are calling Mc a scumbag.. for not following "the honor of a knight" and not having sworn a "knights oath".. and working for money..
Like realy? First of lets look at what we know:
1: FL is a commoner with no father mentioned, only a mother who was sick.
2: FL worked and trained from an young age to earn money for survival and her mothers treatment.
3: As Fl worked and grew older, so grew her debt for things like medical care for her mother, gear, cloths, housing, training.
4: Fl became a knight because it was a job with a garanteed wage. (This is also one of the main reasons commoners become knights in mangas).
5: Fl is considers a Genious by the knight comanders.
6: Fl may not have sworn loyalty, but she was loyal to her superiors as long as she got her pay.
7: FL was given the order to kill the prince, and did what she was orderd to do.
8: Fl was killed by her superior for killing the prince.
9: Fl was reincarnated to before all of this happend.
Sure Fl can be considers greedy and emotionless. But considering what we know about her so far, we know she had to work as a child while also training the sword in order to qualify to enter the academy to become a knight. This means minimal emotional growth and can be seen in her atitude. Yes she grived her friends death, but she still had to work to pay off her debt and to pay for her mothers medical care at a hospital. Yet she is called cold hearted for not crying and trying to pay off said debt.
For those saying FL has no sense of loyalty or honor.. then how come FL felt betrayed when her comander tried to kill her? Yes she worked under him for money, but she still had some trust for him and loyaty for him. If not then she wouldnt have felt betrayed, nor hurt by learning that to him she was just a "dog".
Also.. in case many of you didn't know.. there are many difrent types of knight orders..
1: The knight who uphold the law.
2: The knights who protect the king / emperor at all cost.
3: The primary war knights.
4: The knights who are sent as reinforcement to both the war knights and any other knight order that needs it.
5: The dark knights / black knights who do the "dirty work" other knight orders dont, this includes spying, silencing threats, assassinations and other "dirty work" that could cause comotions. And all of this is done in the name of the Empire / kingdome. These are also the knights tasked with "Removing" and unfit candidate for ruler.
How many mangas have you read where a King / Emperor became so because the "first in line" was either assassinated or died "naturaly". I have read many where it is them mentioned that they were "removed" from the sucsession line because they wernt fit, and this was done by a taskforce in "the shadows" for the future of the country..
These taskforces are also called "Black knights", "The fanthom knight order",
"Shadow knights" and many other names.. Its common knowlege that in mangas is a knights uniform is White it means = clean, rightious, honor and loyal aka the face of the order. And that if the unifor is black = dark, dirty, and generaly do the jobs the "honorable" knights dont.
Finally someone with some sense when it comes to this character. I've had to struggle to survive (w/ my partner and my kids) and I can tell you 100% if I had an opportunity to kill people for money I would of done it in a heartbeat. People dont realize what it's like to fear can I feed my kids today do I have enough money to pay bills this month am I gonna get kicked out of the place I'm renting. They also dont understand what people will do in dire situations to fix their money situation or at least make sure their family stays feed clothed healthy and happy
True.. + ppl are glanzing over why FL chose the Black knights to begun with.. it was the pay (to pay of her debt). And the reason Black knight get a better pay is because..
1: They do the "dirty" work other knights dont. (has bad rep for this)
2: They are have more dangers than other knight orders. (hence getting paid more)
3: They can be used as scapegoats if needed. (FL's death is a prime example).
The Black knights are literaly the kingdomes "clean up crew" who deal with all the stff "political correctness" cant..
Do ppl realy think a kingdome can function on Honor and political correctless and law? How many nobels are doing shitty stuff but cant be aprehended because of lack of evidence, how do ppl think those are gotten rid of? By White knight's honor? or by sending ing the secret taskforce?
Someone plz explain.. to me why they are all keeping its a secret that the Aholes was saved as a kid by his spouce? Like ffs he isnt going to figure it out because he is a selfish greedy ahole...
WTF... why are they keeping it quiet because the mentaly and physicaly abused spoice wished for it.. where is the logic..
FFs he has proven that all he cares about is the person who saved him, and thinks its that slut who lied to win his favor and later tortured his real savior..
Honestly.. i dont get these mangas at all.. why is the "Man" always an abuser and the spouce always on the reciving end of the abuse.. yet to dumb and in love to do anything but take it.. and everyryone always keeps quiet for "the sake of the marriage"..
Honestly.. the prince is an idiot and an asshole.
He wants the negagement broken.. yet because FL wanted it broken he desided to stay engaged to pain her. He is then shocked she is ok with the engagement yet now he is unhappy about her changinh her miond.. when he changed his to fuck her over..
He judges her on her past self.. but donst judge FL's "fathers" change in atitude and behavior nor the siblings.. only FL's .. And yet he keeps telling fl to "remember her place, as his finace".. despite himself bringing his lover on dates and flirting in puplic, even bringing his lover as his companion to balls and other nobel gatherings.. and he wants FL to be "respectfull and mind her reputation".
Hey A-hole prince.. mind your own shit, your own reputation is literaly.
1. you fell in love and stared dating a girl while your engaged.
2. you puplicly flirt and date said lover.
3. you arnt even trying to hide your lover or the fact that your a cheater.
4. your ignoring yourown duties as FL's fiance yet expecting her to uphold hers.
5. you have done just as many crappy things as Fl has, yet noone can hold it agaist you because your the crown prince.
6. You treat eveyone who is close to you like they are your servants and expect them to never say or do anything that goes agaisnt you.
7. you never even tried to get to know Fl and only know her from rumors, the same rumors your lover is the main source of.. and somehow FL is the bad one?.
8. You are blinded by love / affection and belive your lover is perfect and FL is a devil incarnate..Get a life and leave her alone.
FACTS. Except for the staying engaged with her part. The crown prince wants to use her to bring the marquis down. Also, not to be a grammar nazi, but the shortened form of "you are" is "you're" while when something belongs to you is "your". It normally doesn't really bother me much, but you wrote "your" when it's supposed to be "you're" so many times it was stinging my eyes lmao
So the priest is the past lover of the saintess.. that reincarnated.. and donst want her to know.. yet he is the Sole Cause that the "saintes" reawoke.. and all because he had his underling try to hurt here... and triggerd the old "memories" to re awake..
And wtf does he mean "to find out if shes the saintess reincarnation or not they save meny young men for her to sleep with until she awakens.." wtf is she.. a live stock for them to breed so that if she isnt the reincarnation she may have a kid or two with men of the church that have the light element?.. Is that the sort of BS he has done in the past.. if so he deserves to rot in hell!
honest the world of this manga is so f-ed up.. so you get summoned and defeat the demonking after having delt with abusive selfish whininig greedy a-holes of companions and the "admins" go "you didnt do it like how we 100% want you to, so re do it"...
Its f-ed up... if they one a 100% acurate hero.. then bloody summon one that matches.. dont force someone to have to change to match your blody "standards" in a world filled with corruped hero companions.. If you want him to be perfect blody give him companions that match that standard.. but instead its "lets punish him over and over and over again".. Oi gogs.. your not making a hero.. your making a Demon Lord.. literaly.. your destroying every consept of humanity the kid had.. and trapling on his sense of justice to glrify your own..
I honestly hope he asends up to where the "admins" are and kills them all for playing with lives like they were dolls and that he destroys all the realms they controle.
wait, did Luca in the first timeline already wish?
If so, im guessing his wish might have been "to have a loving family, or somone who loves and cares for him". I can imagin his shock, finding himself as a child again with this neglectful aunt. The shock of seeing the aunte trying to be nice to him and give him a loving home, protect him and look out for his best intrest. Luca just officialy showed he cares deeply for Fl now :) and sees her as a loving family member, hench why he hate Ml.
Love the theory (can totally get behind that since it’s cute as shit) but why don’t we like the ml? He seems fine, kinda dull but they cute together no? ( ̄∇ ̄")
Pretty sure it was for everyone in his family to be happy
Well originaly Ml raised Luca, and when they were hunted down and his death was eminent he told Luca "i raised you out of obligation and never loved you" and he was being brutaly honest.
Just like Ml is to FL.. he will tell her stuff like "here have this necklas/ jewlery" and be overly nice to her (he treats her like he is corting her and even sugest marrige) but its all out of a sence of duty as Luca's uncle.. and he has no atatchment to Fl or Luca atm.. thats why Luca hates him..
Its also sad that FL found her self falling for him.
Understandable, we now hate the ml (︶︿︶)=凸