Judychan

Staying with an abusive partner because of poverty certainly is a "trade off" that far too many people have to deal with in real life. Providing for your partner monetarily doesn't make it okay to abuse them though. When Dan asked for emotional investment JK refused anyway so he's not Dan's boyfriend to begin with.

So you think that being forced to trade sex for basic comforts of life like having a bed to sleep in and not being chased by debt collectors is how MOST RELATIONSHIPS AND MARRIAGES are????? Good lord

well the last part i really disagree.

“dan consented to be in this kind of situationship” ur right to a certain extent. if a prostitute said they didn’t want to do it and u still did it that’s rape. monetary reasons doesn’t make it any less what it is.

consent can be withdrawn at any time. you cannot just buy the right to rape someone.

don’t worry kim dan was and is disgusted with the sex. he complies with it. yeah at some point he liked jaekyung and actually liked it but not anymore

to insinuate that relationships and marriages are bound by a contract or like prostitution or monetary exchange for sex or where consenting once means u consent forever is scary and false. idk what ur statement is trying to do

yeah in reality people rape people but normal people do not rape others. that is not just a simply fuck up one can take so lightly

Well said mate

Exactly

“This whole idea of having the perfect boyfriend who never f*cks up is some imaginary Disneyfied fairly tail that doesn’t exist in Real life.”
you are stupid as fuck. stop trying to justify jk’s abuse and rape towards dan just bc dan has suffered more previously. real relationships are not complying with rape in exchange for shelter (not to say it’s never happened ever). nobody is making it out like dan had it better before jk you’re just dumb. we’ve moved past that part of the story and dan still has a shitty life now thanks to jk. i hope you get out of that relationship you’re trying to justify to yourself through a shitty webtoon.

I mean, he didn't have much of a choice on the consent part to begin with. JK said, that first time: do it or don't, but gtfo if u don't.
And Dan NEEDED the money.
That is not consent in my books, he was pushed to a point where saying No meant more problem for him in the future. He was obligated, albeit indirectly or not explicitly, to accept it.
And he said he didn't like it, to stop ot slow down mamy times and Jaegeng never heard him out or his needs.
So yeah, I wouldn't say it is a "good trade".

And we can day that the only times Dan actually enjoyed the sex was when his needs were also met, when he was heard, or when he was literally drugged. :/

I agree somewhat with what you've said prior to those statements, tho. And no one can say Dan was better off before JK, of course, but he was left hollow after. His basic needs were met, but his mental health and his emotions where completely disregarded, and those are very, very important too.

Amen to this.
All the languages in the world and you speak in truth.

Never said it was ok. I said Dan’s life was no cakewalks before meeting JK. Like I said, people do trade offs IRL. I wish you stop romanticizing reality into some fictional happy ending. Nobody has a perfect life with the perfect boyfriend. I said JK is a POS. However he made some things better for Dan. That is a trade off people do every day and why should it be different in works of fiction. Stop being the moral police here with me.

Your definition of consent and mine are different. I take consent as being willing to give in. He wasn’t willing to give in with his other creepy boss. He took the hard road. With JK, it was a trade off. Is it wrong? Yes. But when you are at rock bottom, any goodness is a trade off for something better than the shithole Dan was in. I listed what the trade off was.


I know a lot of reader are young and do not have enough lived experience to give any informed opinion based on reality. They take what limited experiences they have and list some very laughable conjunctures of this and that regarding JK and Dan. Most of the comments are black and white opinions there isn’t even shades of gray. In reality real life is not just black and white with shades of gray. It’s technicolor. If readers have never had hardship in life. Then count your blessings because most people have some kind of hardship in life.

I stated that he has mental health issues. It’s a disease of the mind and body. There is no doubt that JK is a POS.

The reason why people are reading his yaoi is because JK is drawn beautifully. Not even Dan. Certainly grandma and I are taken by how attractive JK is drawn. I said this previously and people got mad at me for saying the silent part that nobody dares to say for dear of being attacked.

Look, I get people don’t like my opinions. It isn’t the usual JK bashing. I just speak my truths. People don’t have to like it. But it isn’t going to stop me from giving my opinion. Since everyone seems to be giving parroting opinions that they hate JK but keep coming back for more.

I really wish you rub two brain cells together and reread what I wrote. People like to choose violence with me whenever I give opinions that isn’t wrap in good vs evil/bad. My opinions are based in reality of what people are going through daily.

While you might be living in your fantasy ivory tower casting your own narrative into what I said. I wish you exert the same energy to learn what women sufferage is. It is still very much a thing. If you won’t like it then get off the internet and devote you time in combatting it in real life instead of being a keyboard warrior with your outrage.

Apparently, you have never been in an abusive relationship or have seen enough of the world to know that EVERY relationship is a trade off. While it might not be as bad as some of these mangas. No relation is steeped in Disneyfied fairytales. This is why people are getting divorced left and right nowadays. People really believe in that Disney shit.

You have never been in a rock bottom situation so you don’t know what little bit of lifeline is like. I stated what the TRADEOFF was that Dan had to better himself out of a rock bottom situation. There is a saying, nothing is free in life. What do you think would have happened to improve Dan’s life if JK didn’t enter it? He would have been raped by the loan sharks. He most likely would be killed by them or died with no place to live once his shithole apartment got demolished. With Dan dead, Grandma would surely die. THE END.

Do you see you dumb your comment appears to me? You have no gripe on reality.

If Dan had said not. Then it’s nonconsensual. If a sex worker said no. It’s nonconsensual and it’s rape. Withdraw consent with no and stop is rape to me. Did JK tape Dan? Yes. Did Dan consent to being in their situationship. Yes. I don’t see everything so black and white as you do. I take everything in context and the law. If you’re beefing with me about consent. Then we just have different opinions about consent. This is why rape cases are so hard to prove. I mean we have a sitting president in America with multiple rape charges. One of the rape charges come from his first wife Ivana. She said no and Donald Trump raped his then wife Ivana Trump. A sitting president has multiple rape charges in he double digit and yet not one conviction. It is because men think once consent is given it can never be taken back. When the letter of the law is a No is a No. and a stop is a stop.

Marriage is a found contract. You need a certificate to prove you’re married. With that certificate, you to abide by laws and rule with that contract (certificate). People need to stop romanticizing marriage. It is a shackle on women and some men. There are men all over the world who rape their wives because of that marriage certificate. Are you think ignorant to what marriage and domestic relationships are? There are laws and rules governing common law marriages and domestic relationships. Look it up. The internet is free. Don’t be this dense when you come at me.

If you don’t know that women married men for money than you need to know women were allowed by law to open their own bank accounts with lines of credit in 1974. To his day, men out earn women. Look at how many men are billionaires o pared to women. F you don’t think money is involved in marriage than you’re being dumb as a rock.

You’re dumb as a rock. I cannot help it if you lack real life experience and your reality is based of fairytales. You clearly lack two brain cells to understand what I wrote and come at me with bullshit opinions. I never said Dan and JK were in a RELATIONSHIP. I clearly said they are in a situationship.

I never said JK didn’t rape Dan. I said Dan consented to being in a situationship with JK. He was at rock bottom. JK made some improvements in his life and the trade off was JK being a POS. If you have low comprehension. I suggest you exercise critical thinking.

If JK didn’t enter Dan’s life, he would have been raped by the loan sharks. Killed or died from lack of money and shelter. Grandma would have certainly died. That would be the end of this story. The way you are being a violent crybaby is unhinged.

Cherry picking Dan’s life is you being extra dumb. You want to skip the part about how shitty Dan’s life is before JK. You might have moved past it by being flippant. Yet the author brought back Dan’s childhood just a few chapter ago. You see how you like to gloss over important parts of Dan’s mental state. I detest stupid dumb fucks like you who lack a lick of sense. You like to cherry pick narratives into black and white, good and bad bullshit. Clearly, “idiot should be your middle name.

my entire reply got deleted but let me just say you are seriously pessimistic in terms of marriage.

and to use the normalization of marital rape (which it isn’t the majority at least in first world countries like the u.s. though i’m sure more prevalent in third world countries and yeah i looked up sources) as justification to argue dan’s life with jaekyung is better than before and jaekyung is not so bad as people make him out to be is… smth.

look you can have your opinions on whether dan’s life is better with jaekyung or jaekyung isn’t so bad of a person compared to others, but your reasons come from a skewed negative perception

reread my comment a little slower. maybe you’ll understand what i’m saying and what parts of your shit take i was responding to dumbass.

just wanna correct u since consent's definition isnt an opinion. what your "definition" of consent is sexual coercion, which is illegal and is rape. "giving in" is not consent, its being pressured.

What part of your low comprehension addled brain did not get me saying JK is a POS- piece of shit? I said his situation improved.

Dan was living is a shithole apartment. Then he moved into a luxury apartment with food, heat, a comfortable bed and no worries about rent. Would you say this is not an improve to of his situation.

JK beat up the loan sharks and paid off his debt. Now Dan does not have to worry about being beaten. Dan does not have to worry about the stress of the loan anymore. Is this not an improvement?

If Dan has stayed in the moldy cold apartment and is kept malnourished, he would most likely die. The place he was staying in was heading for demolition. Dan would not have a home. Now he has a home with JK? Is this not an improvement?

Dan’s career was nonexistent after his mentor/boss tried to rape him and blacklisted him. JK gave him a job. Dan liked the job. He liked it so much that he was willing to work extra hard to take care of JK. JK’s teammates praised Dan for being a good doctor. Did this not help Dan’s low self esteem and self worth?

Did JK not pay Dan a good salary to help with grandma’s hospital bills? Did Dan not have to worry about the hospital bill anymore thus reducing some of his stress level?

Despite JK being a POS, he still went to see grandma of his own free will. This boosted grandma’s mood. If you never had a sick family member in the hospital dealing with sickness and what happiness does for a patient, you just lack understanding of real life situations.

The way I see it is, Dan would have been gang raped by the loan sharks or by JK. There was no escaping this. I’m of the opinion that it is slightly less evil than with the loan sharks. The author had put Dan in precarious positions to be sexually assaulted.

You are an idiotto not see any of this because you have tunnel vision of JK being a sexual predator. I know JK isn’t a good person to Dan with his sexual proclivities due to his jinx. Again, I acknowledge that JK is a POS. But what you fail to acknowledge is the improvements Dan had with JK. When people say critical thinking is a lacking skill in America, you and the people who are arguing with me should all get into a group photo to be poster children for it.

And I stand by that JK isn’t the worst piece of scum there is. You just want to make him he ultimate villain. You don’t like it that I don’t paint as such. You want JK to be the perfect person for Dan. When in reality, nobody who is a POS does a complete 180.

Like I said, Dan had a trade off of improving his life with JK. You might not like it but this is the story. You signed up to read it with your narrow minded POV.

And yes, i think marriage is not a good thing. If you’re sold on it being a good thing. Then good for you. Not everyone have to see marriage as the ultimate goal in life. I just do not like contracts governed by law for people to want to be together. Make no mistake, marriage is a registered contract in the form of a marriage certificate. Marriage is mostly in favor of men in the relationship.

how do you still not understand what ANYBODY is saying to you

Every sex act in a sex session needs consent. If you’re not into oral and someone forces you to do it, it’s rape, right? If you’re not into anal and someone forces anal on you, would you consider yourself raped if you agreed to other sex acts during the sex session?

Look I have been in sexual situations with coercion and pressure. I have said no and yes in different situations. If I said yes, it is consent. If I said no and the guy still forced his way, it’s rape. You want rape to be perfectly define and it isn’t. This is why rape cases are so hard to convict. Look at the stats. People expect things to be black and white and rape isn’t a black and white issue. Consent isn’t black and white.

If you think about it, all sexual situation have some form of coercion or pressure. It might be described as seduction. But in order for people to have sex, someone has to get the other person in the mood to have sex or do certain things while having sex. If you cannot convince someone to have do it with you. Then it’s nonconsensual. Rape can happen with couples, one night stands, FWB and spouses. Anytime one party says no, the sex act needs to stop. I never said JK didn’t rape Dan. What I said was Dan consented to be in the sexual situationship with JK.

I said what I said and you don’t like that I don’t agree with you. This is why you think I don’t understand. You want me to be a sheep and agree with you and the other’s opinions. The fact that I gave a full explanation and you still think I don’t understand “ANYBODY” just shows how narrow minded you are to want to FORCE me to contort my POV and opinions that are not aligned with yours.

Again, it shows how addled minded you are.

I’m out. People like you want to be these savior moralist with your narrow minded POVs that is steeped is Disney fantasies. It does not have a good base on reality. The fact that you are so pinpoint on JK and missing the whole context of the story just shows, people like you live in bubbles with rose tinted glasses. In the face of adversity, you would crumble and cower in the corner.

the way you just ramble and ramble and make up entire narratives in your head just bc people are telling you your take is flawed is so weird.

u have some valid points, which are again ur opinions, but ur reasoning and the way u connect these is seriously biased and comes from a negative pov.

and the fact that u keep saying consent isn’t black and white while giving perfectly good examples of black and white situations is throwing me off. it’s either consensual or not what is confusing you?