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yeah basically and this is coming from someone who into bdsm, when your husband or wife dont stop despite being told to that is called marital rape ( or just rape for non married couple ) if there's kinky plays but no safe words that mean we are in "default settings" so a no is a no, its not a "maybe", its not a "please harder" its a no until both party agree on a safe word other than a vocal refusal. I know that romanticising rape culture is so rampant on every medium that yall want to normalize it but i promise yall can keep reading whatever adult shit yall want without gaslitghing yourselves and lowering your standards all the way down to hell

When the robe fell, my eyeballs rolled back and i felt the presence of jesus christ

it's like
>be me, respected duke of a kingdom plagued by monstrosities
> it's ok i have powers :)
>actually it's not ok, using powers also give me debilitating chronic pain that tears my insides apart. it's slowly killing me and there seems to be no end in sight until i end up immolating myself and everyone i know.

> a saintess? oh i am no longer in constant pain and near insanity :)
> i trust saintess. ok lets go to korea, sounds fine :)

>I HAVE BEEN ABDUCTED TO ANOTHER DIMENSION AND AM BEING TORTURED FOR EXPERIMENTS AND AM A SLAVE FORCED TO USE MY ABILITIES LIKE CATTLE. SAINTESS WAS EVIL WTF.

>i fucked up i fucked up. what about my family. my world. must go back

>FUCK IT ONLY THE SAINTESS CAN OPEN DIMENSIONS
>what do you mean the government is making me marry the one who kidnapped me
>oh good we're not esper compatible. bitch bye lmao. haha even if i am powerless at least i won't be forced to marry anyone

>99% COMPATIBILITY ARE YOU FUCKIN KIDDING ME.
>i hate her i hate her i hate her
>i hate her pretty smile
>i hate her getting injured because of my abilities and the government targeting her to manipulate me
>ok maybe i love her
>maybe it's not so bad living in this unfamiliar capitalist cyberpunk hellscape as the government's test subject and slave dimensions away from everything i know if i can be with my wife :)

>WIFE DEAD FML FML FML

Here is the thing for people need to understand about Jeanette's hate. I'm not going to be rude to anyone about this. But here is the thing Jeanette, the character, has been put in the worst position possible there is no winning for her.

1. The main point of this webtoon is the parent-child relationship between Clade and Athy. Its the hook

2. Jeanette had a decent side character role for the first part of the series. There was a mystery surrounding her, but Athy was warming up to her at the same time. Then Mr. McRedflag's face gives her that ribbon.

3. The actions with the ribbon lead into seasons 2 & 3. Which wouldn't be so bad if there was a glaring issue that goes this webtoon.

4. The retroactive spoilers, the memories coma, and Claude thing happen in the Light novel with Claude waking up when our magic ML came back. The big hook returned a long while ago.

5. Returning to Jeanette once more, since the webtoon is in original territory now. Seemingly the webtoon artist has made Jeanette the author's pet. Her role in the story is exceeding what it needs to be. Her naive and innocent nature is fine; the issue is that the new canon wants to push that while also having her constantly manipulated by Mr. McRedflag's face and crew.


6. The story's pacing has been thrown out the window, and quite a few readers are fed up with it. They waited a long time for Claude to get his memories back, only to have him be in an anime coma.

Keeping these pointers in mind, the clear issue and the one that people should be pissed at is the webtoon artist going off the rails in a way that buried the hook and tried to fill the space with situations involving Jeanette and other things that are just making people more frustrated.

The reason why hate is pilled on Jeanette is cause while the reader cant see the author they can certain see Jeanette and the issues she causes by proxy.

TDLR: The webtoon went downhill because of the webtoons artist's actions which are only highlighted when Jeanette does stuff as of late. So by association, she getting vented at. (also some bad writing in general but i wont go into that.)

and yet most parts scenes are coming from Jeanette. Fuck you Jeanette and fuck the artist and story writer who keep on spooning us Jeanette parts. I hate her. There are people who are cutely naive that you can almost forgive them for their ignorance and clumsiness but Jeanette—gawd! Her little monologue on being the “sister” and being hurt at Athy because she didn’t share the things Athy had the right to keep because objectively, who is Jeanette anyway? She ain’t family.

I stayed away for months so I can see some progress but god almighty, I wasted two chapters reading about Jeanette and her thoughts and her lack of awareness AND HER PRETENTIOUS INNOCENCE.

I am starting to hate this webtoon.

Jeanette you're not a bad person you're just stupid and naive. You let people manipulate you and that's why I don't like you. You're weak minded and one compliment is all it takes to control you. You said you wanted to see Anthy but how do you think she feels rights now. How do you think she feels knowing she's going to lose everything. Her dad is in a coma. All you care about is what she thinks of you . Anthy was going through so much and all you cared about was how she'd react if you told her you guys were related.

Sincerely, That Bitch

can y'all stop getting mad at people for not liking the sex scene? I personally believe it was consensual but that he was being too pushy/selfish bc he has been wanting this for so long.
Some of you sound ridiculous when u say "if he didnt like it he would have said "stop"",,,guys....someone doesnt have to say No for something to mean No. "I dont know" means NO. "Wait a minute" means NO. "Hold on" means NO. All of these things show apprehension and when somebody says them in such a situation like sex, you listen and you reassure them because theyre vulnerable and since it was his first time he was probably scared. Come on guys, this is basic consent and decency.
They have every right to be upset about it, please dont tell people how to feel. Youre also allowed to believe that the consent was enough. But please dont say silly things just because it may annoy you. Theres a time and place to be mad about things and people simply wanting more reassurance from him is not something to be mad at, i believe its a fair point and i would've liked to see more of it myself. Its a vulnerable situation and comforting your partner is important so that is what i and others would have preferred. If you were fine with it, okay then, cool. Theres no problem.

I feel like you guys sometimes look for things to be mad about unnecessarily. I really enjoy this manhwa, please dont ruin it by creating a hostile environment. Now please have the greatest day on the planet and have fun

the differences between jihyun and kyujin and their relationship and perceptions of chiwoo are so STARK but subtle and its just so interesting to read. where jihyun obviously was overly possessive, abusive and constantly tried to isolate chiwoo so he was his only 'option', kyujin actively encourages and is happy for chiwoo making friends finally. of course, he also wants his alone time with chiwoo, but he helps chi woo make friends and enjoy school. also, their pursuit for chiwoo is so different too! jihyun is ofc violent and obsessive, ignoring chiwoo's firm no's, manhandling him and grabbing him constantly. and while kyujin is also grabby and touchy, he respects chiwoo when he says no instantly, and though he persists his confessions despite constant rejection, its super respectful and patient because he knows chiwoo also likes him, he's just not ready.

AND THE APOLOGY. this is where i realised "oh so he's irredeemable" in regards to jihyun. throughout the entire apology, he just made excuses and justifications for his rape "i just loved you so much" "i was anxious that you liked other people" "i did that because i liked you so much" "i will wait until you forgive me" "this is unfair" - it actually makes me quite sick. at this point, i genuinely don't think he is a redeemable character and that this apology is selfish and childish. i felt so, so fucking bad for chiwoo throughout this whole manwha, but the ending killed me. he had to sit there and explain to his ex best friend, his rapist how badly his life had been fucked up. he had to talk him through it and he did it politely. its disgusting and i absolutely hated jihyun for it. i think the author did a fantastic but vivid job of showing how terrified chiwoo really was of jihyun, and it made it so awful but heartbreaking to read.

i've seen a lot of people sympathising with jihyun and saying they wish he would get someone who loved him. i, bluntly, do not. i don't want rapists to be happy. i don't want abusers to be happy. everyone is mad as jihyuns dad for being abusive, no one is sympathising with him because he's an abuser. well, so is jihyun. i don't care if he was abused as a child - that's no excuse and it does not wash away or excuse the terror he inflicted upon chiwoo. as soon as someone takes the choice to inflict pain and cruelty upon someone else, they forfeit the right for happiness, and in my opinion, breathable air :). i don't want the fucker happy, i want him in jail. rapists can choke, thats the hill i will die on.

Anyone know where I can read the spanish scanlation?

I just hope that the "I actually like Jihyun more" people are in their fujoshi preteen phases and can grow out of it. Fujoshi culture is so fucked up to me lmao the author had to resort to a parallel universe trope because their morals couldn't let them do sexy/relationship scenes with the protagonists' past being like that, and yet they had to do it nonetheless because the public was so demanding (or suggestive) that they wanted to see it. A rapist. Having sex with their victim. Jihyun past shouldn't be an excuse for his actions, boohoo, he cries. Kudos to the author too for making him likeable, even if its because fujoshis like the romanticization of violence.

The root of his character isnt that he is a "cold-hearted" man , its more the case he a broken-hearted man. That felt more pain and despair from remembering his love of Diana than he does from the betrayal and abuse he endured from his "family" and that ho Penelope. Even the murder of his own mother didn't break him to extent that losing Diana did or even having memory of her.

Both him and Jeanette are very pitiful characters.
Jeanette because she has been fed a lie since birth to make her a strategic pawn. Even her conception was not stemmed from the love of her parents but their malice and twisted nature that led to them experimenting with black magic. Even her eye color is an illusion (the natural colour is green).

Jeanette wants so much to be "loved" , she bases her entire existence on and dreams of a "happy family" with two people she thinks are her dad and sister. Not understanding from the reader's (accurate) POV she is more a hinderance than actual "family" to them.
Her involvement in their life causes nothing but pain and misery. We know this from the original events in the novel and the current events occurring.
Therefore, it's understandable why she is disliked by many readers.

Jeanette doesn't understand the suffering caused just for her seeking out this delusional fantasy stemmed from the conniving whims of those fuelling it.
To fulfil her purpose in life of being a pawn, for the ambition and greed of her foster parents and her mother.
She wants so badly to believe in the lie she has been told of her origin and the fantasy "family reunion". Since, she is a lonely and lets be honest a pretty unremarkable child.

In a way Jeanette is greedy too. Although, naively so, because she desires to have what isnt hers even at the expense of breaking up claude and athy's relationship. Even if she may not be self aware of it. We know what she is capable of. It's why readers mostly dislike her and want her gone. We already know what happened to the MC in the novel when Jeanette got her "dream".


Claude is pitiful because, out of all the miserable memories and experiences he had in his life. the most heart breaking ones is when he was the happiest with Diana.
And the suffering of her death and memory of her, causes a worse pain than the abuse from he received from the empress as a child , the betrayal from his brother and ho fiance.
Killing his brother whom he once cared for etc.
Out of All the memories he chose to sell his soul for to banish, he chose his happiest.

Even tho she seems pitiful with her current situation compared to Athanasia in the first timeline, I can't say they reversed positions coz Jeanette is still being treated nicely by everyone around her and like a cherry on top; she still gets to spend time with Claude.

And if you look properly on her definition of being "ALONE" I think is just pure selfishness coz if you think of Athy in the first timeline that's what you really call "ALONE" she can't even go near her own Father without being threatened, she doesn't have any friends and only Lily but even she can't do anything to save Athy.

So I think our Princess Jeanette here is much more fortunate than our FL, she got to live a lavish life in the first timeline and still got away from misfortune in the present timeline. She should be thankful no one is threatening her to be killed and still has friends she could rely on.

Sorry let's just have her get away with being pitiful and I don't hate her vice versa,
it's just FACTS.
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In all honesty, fans being apathetic towards Jennette is ironic given how apathetic Jennette was towards Athy in the original timeline. She took and took and took from poor Athy and eventually got her killed. Athy was nice to her, helped her out, but since Claude didn't care for her, Jennette also didn't bother getting too close to her despite knowing how shitty her life was. When Athy died, she was all like "boohoo so sad comfort me Ijekiel" for two days and moved on. She didn't try correcting Claude on the fact that that he did Athy dirty (which was also something caused by Jennette's own curse). Jennette really didn't care for Athy in the first timeline and it showed when only she, herself, got the happy ending while everyone else suffered. Athy died, Ijekiel married a girl he didn't like cause that's what SHE wanted, Claude died post story and so on and so forth. Her loneliness is her own karma after everything that happened in the original timeline. Of course she's not aware of it but we know that timeline existed for real thanks to Athy (and Lucas; plus Claude who I heard got the memories of that og timeline back in the novel) and karma has a way continuing throughout lifetimes...

There's nothing "lovely" about The Lovely Princess, not even the fake princess herself. The story is told from Jennette's perspective which is why it has a happy tone but we all know how ditzy Jennette really is and misread the atmosphere around her and made herself into a "princess" like she states that she wanted to in this chapter. Her kind of "lovely" is cheap and selfish. I honestly felt bad for her when Ijekiel rejected her but at the same time, I wish he'd done it sooner (and kinder) so that she wouldn't be all up in her head all the time and learn to live in reality. This girl doesn't even question the strange man who randomly shows up at her home. She states herself that there's something different/off about him but continues to spill secrets to him regardless. She's desperate to be a "lovely princess" but is jealous of Athy despite ignoring her situation in the previous timeline....this whole mentality is really messed up. It's a good thing Athy still cares for her but it's understandable why she'd want to stay away from the person who brought nothing but disaster to her in her previous life.

On a side note, season 2's ending was too abrupt and barely accomplished anything. I would have much preferred it if the whole amnesia thing was done and over with and we could move the plot along something more interesting like the confrontation between Claude and his fake brother.

jeanette was told from young that claude is her real dad, and she's been living dreaming of being a real family with him (and athy) for the longest time. she has no real autonomy in mr white's house and she has to listen to whatever he says e.g. couldnt even see off her aunt (mum) who passed. the only thing that she's allowed to do, and likes doing, is getting closer to claude and athy

she doesn't know she is bringing harm to them, doesn't know that claude isnt her real dad and athy isnt her real sister. because of everything listed above, i can't really hate her... BUT from athy's first life, we know jeanette was acknowledged by claude and lived the life of her dreams. athy was suffering, and jeanette chose to ignore it and focus on her own happiness. in this 1st timeline, athy died, claude died (probably), and jeanette's happy family got shattered

the future and happiness that jeanette is chasing brings ruin to not only claude and athy, but also herself. and i hate the fact that she has no clue about the devastation she will inevitably bring if she keeps chasing this dream of hers. as readers who've been seeing things from athy's point of view, we know athy had been working hard for her father's attention, grew to love him, and how she suffered in all her lives so far, so obviously when jeanette appears all kind and cute and innocently wanting to play 'house'.... (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

ALSO because we know what's going on, jeanette's entire character seems just like a plot driver (towards the bad end). because of the things she doesn't know, she brings harm to all the characters we love, and does so with a pure heart and without restraint. on the other hand we have athy, who knows what happened in the 1st timeline, knows jeanette is poison to claude, knows jeanette isnt even her biological family, yet when she first starts meeting jeanette athy is too nice to distance herself from her. she felt bad turning jeanette down despite knowing jeanette had something to do with black magic and once took (or has the potential to take) everything away from her. even now, athy has to watch claude call for jeanette, and live with uncertainty because the love that she had is suddenly taken away from her ARGH

basically hate how things are set up... jeanette can relentlessly chase her dream of her happy family knowing absolutely nothing... athy has to suffer from knowing too much... [rest]

Glad I finally see more people who think the same - Jennette isn't a bad character, but it's her personality and the way she looks at things that makes her insufferable. She's naive and sees everything as something good, or encouragement to plans she has that only she knows of, not realizing that others don't know what her intentions are. She's too innocent and doesn't seem to understand that not everyone is good and kind. "Ignorance is bliss" is a phrase that applies to Jennette super strongly because even when she realizes something's off - when Anastacius keeps the snow globe out of her hands, when he talks to her, when Athanasia just looked at her in surprise when she asked about being a family together - she refuses to acknowledge the fact that people aren't comfortable with the same things she is and instead prefers to ignore and push warning signs to the back of her mind. At this point if she accidentally gets hurt I won't be surprised because it'll likely be an accumulation of her own decision to turn a blind eye to the warnings she's been given.

I know felix is trying to help its sweet but I'm going to have to call bullshit. "Its not favoritism, Jeanette is a guest that's why he's being polite and ur his daughter so he can be more honest and comfortable with you", bitch what? Nah he's playing favorites its obvious don't lie like that. Cuz last time I checked and before this infuriating arc started claude ruled with an iron fist and fear. He literally did not give anyone the time of day if he didn't care about them and had no problems with threatening people. I'm pretty sure even threatened Jeanette once when she wondered off from the tea party. So don't even with those weak ass excuses author. Smh

Really sorry, I know that she is innocent pure and all, that she knows nothing but please Jeannette STOP, he is not your dad.

This annoys me so much, and even in the original story, I hate the fact that she did nothing To help Athy. She saw that she was alone, and not well treated by her father but she just ignored it ! She just cried in her fiancee's arm and continued her life when athy died. Even the fact that Claude was tired, and sick because of black magic, she just said "I am here" without searching the truth about her "father" and Why he was feeling so bad everytime. I find her quite insensitive, as if she decides not to see the disturbing things that would hurt her. I understand she wants To have time with her "father", but I dont know, she is just irritating (and at the same time I'm feeling a bit guilty to say that about a character who did not really do anything wrong ╥﹏)

It's not that I hate her, she is just too pure, and blind to everything and I would like her to start thinking about Athy's feelings when she clearly sees that Claude and her have problems together and that she just decides to have time with him when she is absent.

Ah, I Feel calmer now and what I wrote does not make any sense, but this character is really difficult to describe in my opinion, not trully bad, but also too much in her own world to make me like her.

Sorry for my english, I am clearly not bilingual (▰˘◡˘▰)

I’m starting to think that people don’t necessarily hate Jeanette per se but maybe hate the way she’s been written? Idk if that makes sense but lemme try. I mean, during the 20-goddamned-chapters where she was featured, there must have been a way for her to be likable instead of y’know, being just there. Yes, she helped Athy have a place to stay and yes, she helped Athy return to the castle, but those things happened at the beginning and end of that arc. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember anything significant happening in the middle of that arc that would have pushed towards Athy’s reunion with Claude. All there was during those chapters was either angst or lull. Then suddenly, we’re back to the main plot again. And idk, did anyone else notice when Jeanette helped Athy return to the palace and when Lucas appeared, it almost seemed forced? It was as if something pushed the author to finally move the plot forward. (It might have been because of the negative/hostile feedback from PAYING readers.) There was, I guess, a lack of buildup? Which is why we scorn those chapters so much. Jeanette’s filler chapters could have been used to maybe show her trying to help Athy and Claude little by little. Doing that would have made her likable without overshadowing the actual main character. Instead, it was just months and months of having Jeanette shoved into our faces without any progress to the story. It was honestly a waste. The filler chapters really ended up just like that—filler.

If the excuse is because this was based on a novel and giving Jeanette more substance would change it too much, well...didn’t that happen already? It already strayed from the original novel. Even Athy and Claude are different now. (I also have my gripes about the way Athy’s been written in the comic but maybe next time.) The excuse that Jeanette is like this because she's being manipulated is valid, but I feel like this also could have been done better.

OR maybe it was intentional. Maybe there would be a twist later where Jeanette’s arc and unknowingly selfish actions would be relevant. Maybe Jeanette got so much exposure to make us feel frustrated about a "main" character that exists to be loved even without doing anything. Maybe it's THAT meta. I'm trying to think this way to give the author the benefit of the doubt but tbh, every update just makes me sad. :(

Tldr: Part of our hate towards Jeanette is because of our frustration that she could have been written to be more than just an irritatingly naive character.

PS. There was also that strange part where Jeanette suddenly kinda turned yandere so I DON’T KNOW what the hell was up with that. Her character confuses the shit out of me.

I see a lot of commenters hating Jeannette and being confused at the same time as to why. She is portrayed as being kind and smiley so it trips people up. The issue with Jeannette is that she’s kind in the most shallow way. She lacks real empathy, compassion and is overall extremely callous. She’s never shocked about what happened between Athanasia and Claude. There is not one instance where she actively thinks about MC’s pain. She’s portrayed like she cares about both of them and wants to play family, yet her caution with Claude had never anything to do with knowing that he chased MC out of the palace. She even witnessed their close bond at that ball. Yet she’s never put out by Claude’s behavior in this regard. She wants a daddy and is probably subconsciously happy that Athy is out of the way, so she can interlope. Of course this is all pushed by her caregiver but she couldn’t be more pleased it seems. I wonder if this was the author’s intention and if it will be brought up that the heroine of the novel has actually character traits that align more with an oblivious villain. What would happen if she notices that Claude cares more about MC even after pushing herself between them?

Man, in the first place, I stuck to this story like a glue was because of Athy and her budding relationship with her father. Jeanette was someone I was tolerating whenever she was present. Sure she's a cute kid but I've already seen too many white lotus MCs that honestly, Jeanette's naive and innocent personality trait doesn't endear me one bit.


The moment this story decided to throw off to the void the main reason why many people loved this webtoon was the moment people started hating on Jeanette.


Yes that hate is unreasonable but because Jeanette basically represent a wall preventing Athy and Claude to become family again is why so many of us just wants her gone. As in, completely wiped from the story because she offers nothing but unecassary drama with just her very existence.



People might say--"oh but Jeanette is spicing up this story! Stop hating on her" Sure, tell that to thousands of readers who literally wants her offed. We used to tolerate Jeanette, some might've even liked her. But because of this mini plot, that tolerance is completely gone.