Wtf did Andrew do? Nathan is the one who is rushing him to have sex with him Butterfly93
He’s so insecure and immature If you’re not ready for physical than stay away from intimate relationships until you’re ready don’t waste peoples emotions and time
He’s so insecure and immature If you’re not ready for physical than stay away from intimate relationships until you’re ready don’t waste peoples emotions and time Rejo147
So you are into rushing people to have sex with you and if they aren't ready you make them feel bad about themselves
He’s so insecure and immature If you’re not ready for physical than stay away from intimate relationships until you’re ready don’t waste peoples emotions and time Rejo147
okay that's a crazy thing to say if you're not ready for sex you shouldn't date at all?? i hope you know how rapey that sounds
So you are into rushing people to have sex with you and if they aren't ready you make them feel bad about themselves Butterfly93
No its not like that being in a relationship that you're the only one that initiates things or having a relationship with someone whos insecure and not being honest with you it's just exausting no one wants that a relationship is about give and take this is not give and take How can you trust someone that cannot even be honest about what is wrong and just leaves his partner constantly confused ??!!!
okay that's a crazy thing to say if you're not ready for sex you shouldn't date at all?? i hope you know how rapey that sounds menwtiddies
No its not Sex is a normal part of romantic relationships and it helps people feel closer and more connected to their partner If someone is not ready for sex it can cause confusion problems in the relationship Starting a relationship without talking about these important things can lead to fights and hurt feelings for both people Andrew is not being honest with Nathan that’s the issues I’m not saying he should rush him to have sex if you’re not ready just walk away
No its not Sex is a normal part of romantic relationships and it helps people feel closer and more connected to their partner If someone is not ready for sex it can cause confusion problems in the relationship ... Rejo147
People just want to act dumb with this subject but it’s very easy. When you know you’re not in a good state to want to in an intimate relationship, what do you do? You don’t get in any because you don’t want to end up feeling like you’re being pressured into doing something you’re not ready for. And worse when the person of interest is a very sexually open person!!! People just want to make excuses for Andrew without actually thinking realistically about this whole situation.
People just want to act dumb with this subject but it’s very easy. When you know you’re not in a good state to want to in an intimate relationship, what do you do? You don’t get in any because you don’t... LoverOfYaoi
im not talking out of my ass (if you'll excuse my language) since im in a similar situation, my bf is well, a virgin and i literally dont mind waiting until he's ready. like yeah andrew could've communicated shit better but saying you can't be in a relationship with someone who's sexual if u can't have sex right away is bad and i need you to really think on why. relationships aren't just one thing and people aren't just one thing. andrew def has some self esteem problems and i respect nathan for saying fuck no cause hell, maybe i would've too if i didn't realize how awesome my boyfriend makes my life aside from the sex shit. the problem here is just u guys misdirecting the frustration towards him not being ready for sex when it's really about communication and compatibility. please don't go around saying if you're not ready for sex you shouldn't date a sexually liberated person. that's wrong and borderline rapey. your views on this story are p much motivated by your real life views. no hate to you specifically tho.
im not talking out of my ass (if you'll excuse my language) since im in a similar situation, my bf is well, a virgin and i literally dont mind waiting until he's ready. like yeah andrew could've communicated sh... menwtiddies
See that’s your situation! The situation here is different, you and your partner were able to talk about it like two civilized adults. Well it’s not the case for these two, Andrew lied from the beginning and I don’t like how everyone wants to make excuses for that. Shit Nathan is not perfect too and I’m not going to sit here and pretend he his, Andrew because of his insecurities and low self esteem lied to try and fit Nathan’s standards which was the downfall of the relationship they had. I mean lying about your sexuality and experience to someone who has always been sexually open is WRONG!! Because he knew all along that as much as Nathan likes him, he wanted to have sex with him just as much and all he did was just edge him and start putting doubts on Nathan.
im not talking out of my ass (if you'll excuse my language) since im in a similar situation, my bf is well, a virgin and i literally dont mind waiting until he's ready. like yeah andrew could've communicated sh... menwtiddies
But me personally? I would not date anyone if I felt like there were certain things I was not confident about about myself and won’t want someone making me uncomfortable when brought up. For example I did not date or entertain boys when I was in a stage I didn’t feel I was ready for sex because I knew if I did, one day I’d be put in an uncomfortable position of the one thing I want to avoid. That’s why it’s important to always work on yourself before you venture into looking to be loved or to love someone, coz like Nathan said “I can’t help you love yourself “ (I think he said something like that.
But me personally? I would not date anyone if I felt like there were certain things I was not confident about about myself and won’t want someone making me uncomfortable when brought up. For example I did not... LoverOfYaoi
Finally, someone realistic and understanding. Thank you, you said everything I wanted to say.
See that’s your situation! The situation here is different, you and your partner were able to talk about it like two civilized adults. Well it’s not the case for these two, Andrew lied from the beginning an... LoverOfYaoi
But me personally? I would not date anyone if I felt like there were certain things I was not confident about about myself and won’t want someone making me uncomfortable when brought up. For example I did not... LoverOfYaoi
also, dont you think it's sad u may have sheltered yourself from enjoying someone's company cause you weren't ready to talk about sex? im not even being hateful, just genuinely curious. like i get not doing it cause you dont feel like pursuing anyone, but didn't you ever feel like your fear of something that may or may not even happen was holding you back? i think you deserve better than that :) sorry for meddling tho i know i have nothing to do with your life
No its not Sex is a normal part of romantic relationships and it helps people feel closer and more connected to their partner If someone is not ready for sex it can cause confusion problems in the relationship ... Rejo147
Sex is indeed normal for every relationship but not everyone is the same. Y'all out here talking out about a perfect scenario were both parties in the relationship benefit from a mutual relationship where they get sex, trust, and love. But it's not always like that, and that's fine. Adult relationships dont work like that, someone always has to compromise and be the bigger person. Having a relationship isn't solely for getting the benefits, it's finding and building a partner that you would spend your life with. Where one, can bloom into their better selves while still being compatible for one another.
One can argue that it's mature to expect that both parties are ready for the relationship when they enter one. But it's also insensible to expect that everyone can be/is ready.
They are college students, calm down. It's extremely unrealistic to find your life partner in a college setting specifically. Andrew is so young, he has every right to explore all kinds of relationship. Likewise for Nathan, but it's extremely immature for him to traumatize the other party and cheat just to get his point. No matter how you guys defend this and that, from every perspective Nathan is a shitty person, the moment he decided to cheat.
Sex is indeed normal for every relationship but not everyone is the same. Y'all out here talking out about a perfect scenario were both parties in the relationship benefit from a mutual relationship where they ... hHmmMmm
I respectfully disagree with your perspective. While I understand the points you’ve raised, especially about compromise and personal growth in relationships, I don’t think it’s fair to normalize the idea that someone always has to compromise or be the “bigger person” to make a relationship work. Healthy relationships thrive on mutual respect, open communication, and equality—not one party consistently sacrificing their needs for the sake of the other.
As for the point about readiness in relationships, it’s true that not everyone is prepared, and college relationships often lack longevity. However, readiness doesn’t excuse harmful behavior like cheating. Age or life stage shouldn’t be used as a justification for hurting others. If someone isn’t ready for the responsibilities of a relationship, they should be mature enough to communicate that and step away, not resort to actions that harm trust and emotional stability.
I understand your points and do hold the same sentiments with you. But the thing is, you're looking at an idealistic standard which is most of the time unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Picture perfect people like that don't drop out of the sky. And even if they do, they are unavailable and/or wouldn't mean they would like you as well. Why do you think people divorce/breakup if everyone has that mutual respect, open communication and equality that doesn't sacrifice the other party? Adult relationships don't work like that. You build a relationship and work your way to be compatible with each other. And even if your compatible, a lot of things may happen that challenges that compatibility.
What I meant about readiness in relationship. For people like Nathan in general, they are young; they have so much time to realize and understand that they can't love another person without loving themselves. And you only get those through experience. You may be mentally ready, but it doesn't mean being physically and psychologically being ready as well. It's impractical to think that everyone is/should be ready when entering a relationship. I put an emphasis on them being college students and unrealistically finding a life partner because they are at stage of their life. Only through experience would they have a better grasp of themselves and the way they act in face of difficulties.
So how can everyone be ready when they don't have the experience to do so? How can you have that experience if one think that you can only get them when you're ready?
I understand your points and do hold the same sentiments with you. But the thing is, you're looking at an idealistic standard which is most of the time unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Picture perfe... hHmmMmm
Sex is indeed normal for every relationship but not everyone is the same. Y'all out here talking out about a perfect scenario were both parties in the relationship benefit from a mutual relationship where they ... hHmmMmm
also thanks for addressing the cheating cause that's what really made it stop adding up for me. even if they didn't have an established relationship it's normal to not expect the person you're seeing to go have sex with some dude just because you turned their advances down a couple times. and it's sad cause andrew visibly likes him nathan talks a lot about "push and pull" but he's the one doing that when he's like "ok you're not acting how i want you to so ill go have sex with another guy"
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If I were nathan i would’ve end everything I can’t stand people like Andrew they are on different levels emotionally physically im so mad
Wtf did Andrew do? Nathan is the one who is rushing him to have sex with him
He’s so insecure and immature If you’re not ready for physical than stay away from intimate relationships until you’re ready don’t waste peoples emotions and time
So you are into rushing people to have sex with you and if they aren't ready you make them feel bad about themselves
okay that's a crazy thing to say if you're not ready for sex you shouldn't date at all?? i hope you know how rapey that sounds
No its not like that
being in a relationship that you're the only one that initiates things or having a relationship with someone whos insecure and not being honest with you it's just exausting no one wants that a relationship is about give and take this is not give and take How can you trust someone that cannot even be honest about what is wrong and just leaves his partner constantly confused ??!!!
No its not
Sex is a normal part of romantic relationships and it helps people feel closer and more connected to their partner If someone is not ready for sex it can cause confusion problems in the relationship Starting a relationship without talking about these important things can lead to fights and hurt feelings for both people Andrew is not being honest with Nathan that’s the issues I’m not saying he should rush him to have sex if you’re not ready just walk away
People just want to act dumb with this subject but it’s very easy. When you know you’re not in a good state to want to in an intimate relationship, what do you do? You don’t get in any because you don’t want to end up feeling like you’re being pressured into doing something you’re not ready for. And worse when the person of interest is a very sexually open person!!! People just want to make excuses for Andrew without actually thinking realistically about this whole situation.
im not talking out of my ass (if you'll excuse my language) since im in a similar situation, my bf is well, a virgin and i literally dont mind waiting until he's ready. like yeah andrew could've communicated shit better but saying you can't be in a relationship with someone who's sexual if u can't have sex right away is bad and i need you to really think on why. relationships aren't just one thing and people aren't just one thing. andrew def has some self esteem problems and i respect nathan for saying fuck no cause hell, maybe i would've too if i didn't realize how awesome my boyfriend makes my life aside from the sex shit. the problem here is just u guys misdirecting the frustration towards him not being ready for sex when it's really about communication and compatibility. please don't go around saying if you're not ready for sex you shouldn't date a sexually liberated person. that's wrong and borderline rapey. your views on this story are p much motivated by your real life views. no hate to you specifically tho.
See that’s your situation! The situation here is different, you and your partner were able to talk about it like two civilized adults. Well it’s not the case for these two, Andrew lied from the beginning and I don’t like how everyone wants to make excuses for that. Shit Nathan is not perfect too and I’m not going to sit here and pretend he his, Andrew because of his insecurities and low self esteem lied to try and fit Nathan’s standards which was the downfall of the relationship they had. I mean lying about your sexuality and experience to someone who has always been sexually open is WRONG!! Because he knew all along that as much as Nathan likes him, he wanted to have sex with him just as much and all he did was just edge him and start putting doubts on Nathan.
But me personally? I would not date anyone if I felt like there were certain things I was not confident about about myself and won’t want someone making me uncomfortable when brought up. For example I did not date or entertain boys when I was in a stage I didn’t feel I was ready for sex because I knew if I did, one day I’d be put in an uncomfortable position of the one thing I want to avoid. That’s why it’s important to always work on yourself before you venture into looking to be loved or to love someone, coz like Nathan said “I can’t help you love yourself “ (I think he said something like that.
Finally, someone realistic and understanding. Thank you, you said everything I wanted to say.
i feel like we're just saying the same thing lol
also, dont you think it's sad u may have sheltered yourself from enjoying someone's company cause you weren't ready to talk about sex? im not even being hateful, just genuinely curious. like i get not doing it cause you dont feel like pursuing anyone, but didn't you ever feel like your fear of something that may or may not even happen was holding you back? i think you deserve better than that :) sorry for meddling tho i know i have nothing to do with your life
Sex is indeed normal for every relationship but not everyone is the same. Y'all out here talking out about a perfect scenario were both parties in the relationship benefit from a mutual relationship where they get sex, trust, and love. But it's not always like that, and that's fine. Adult relationships dont work like that, someone always has to compromise and be the bigger person. Having a relationship isn't solely for getting the benefits, it's finding and building a partner that you would spend your life with. Where one, can bloom into their better selves while still being compatible for one another.
One can argue that it's mature to expect that both parties are ready for the relationship when they enter one. But it's also insensible to expect that everyone can be/is ready.
They are college students, calm down. It's extremely unrealistic to find your life partner in a college setting specifically. Andrew is so young, he has every right to explore all kinds of relationship. Likewise for Nathan, but it's extremely immature for him to traumatize the other party and cheat just to get his point.
No matter how you guys defend this and that, from every perspective Nathan is a shitty person, the moment he decided to cheat.
I respectfully disagree with your perspective. While I understand the points you’ve raised, especially about compromise and personal growth in relationships, I don’t think it’s fair to normalize the idea that someone always has to compromise or be the “bigger person” to make a relationship work. Healthy relationships thrive on mutual respect, open communication, and equality—not one party consistently sacrificing their needs for the sake of the other.
As for the point about readiness in relationships, it’s true that not everyone is prepared, and college relationships often lack longevity. However, readiness doesn’t excuse harmful behavior like cheating. Age or life stage shouldn’t be used as a justification for hurting others. If someone isn’t ready for the responsibilities of a relationship, they should be mature enough to communicate that and step away, not resort to actions that harm trust and emotional stability.
I understand your points and do hold the same sentiments with you. But the thing is, you're looking at an idealistic standard which is most of the time unrealistic for the vast majority of people. Picture perfect people like that don't drop out of the sky. And even if they do, they are unavailable and/or wouldn't mean they would like you as well. Why do you think people divorce/breakup if everyone has that mutual respect, open communication and equality that doesn't sacrifice the other party?
Adult relationships don't work like that. You build a relationship and work your way to be compatible with each other. And even if your compatible, a lot of things may happen that challenges that compatibility.
What I meant about readiness in relationship. For people like Nathan in general, they are young; they have so much time to realize and understand that they can't love another person without loving themselves. And you only get those through experience. You may be mentally ready, but it doesn't mean being physically and psychologically being ready as well. It's impractical to think that everyone is/should be ready when entering a relationship. I put an emphasis on them being college students and unrealistically finding a life partner because they are at stage of their life. Only through experience would they have a better grasp of themselves and the way they act in face of difficulties.
So how can everyone be ready when they don't have the experience to do so? How can you have that experience if one think that you can only get them when you're ready?
very well put, thank you for the insight
also thanks for addressing the cheating cause that's what really made it stop adding up for me. even if they didn't have an established relationship it's normal to not expect the person you're seeing to go have sex with some dude just because you turned their advances down a couple times. and it's sad cause andrew visibly likes him nathan talks a lot about "push and pull" but he's the one doing that when he's like "ok you're not acting how i want you to so ill go have sex with another guy"