"Can't wait until Nakyum's abuser saves him from being kidnapped!" ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Seungho fans are really some inbreds, y'all really lack braincells
lmao better than him getting fucking murdered dont you think
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Hopefully the artist learned that this is a shit thing to create lmao
I don't get romanticizing slavery at all especially with the slave being dark skinned, have dark skinned people not been subjected to dehumanization enough throughout history? Idk if this person is Korean but how would they feel if a Japanese person wrote a love story in the 1940's where a Japanese solider gets with a Korean citizen. It's not believable that that love can be pure and not incredibly toxic. I'm tired of non-dark/non-black people romanticizing such a horrible thing especially considering all the rapes and forced relationships that actual slaves endured.
There are a million ways to portray slavery, it's honestly an interesting topic, but why do people choose to make a slave fall in love with someone who ultimately sees them as property? It's because people aren't educated about just how deeply horrific slavery is. Anyone who is educated in that topic wouldn't touch this shitty type of "romance" with a ten foot pole. I honestly don't think there's any reason to romanticize slavery, even if the slave were white but the slave being dark is just- *vomits*-- I'm 100 percent judging you if you enjoy this trash.
The noble isn't a piece of trash tho?
He didn't want to buy him bcs he doesn't like treating people like objects and he finds slavery gross, but the Spinel had somenting precious for him so that's the why he end up buying him
Plus that the noble does not treat the spinel as a slave, but as one more servant of the house (he even lets him enter the place that supposedly only he and his main servant can enter and even buy expensive clothes for him?)
Of course the spinel was a slave at the beginning of the story before they bought it, but I don't think they are romanticizing spinel slavery in general.
And before you tell me '' You have no right to speak because you are white ''
First of all, that's racist
Second, I am a person who had an African American father and a mixed-race mother.
Side note = I don't support slavery, just stop getting offended by every single thing and read properly the contents of a story
So we are supposed to forgive and forget everything just because the noble showed some sort of decency? Are we not supposed to mention the fact this is still portraying a romance between a SLAVE and the SLAVE MASTER? I agree with OP. Majority of readers don’t know an inch of black slavery more than what was taught in class: and this reply right here shows.
To add on with the romance between master x slave, let’s not forget that the spinel... is still a slave... he’s property. He’s literally property. He was brought and sold to the noble. They are having a romantic relationship, where power dynamic clearly have a stance here. Like this might seem light hearted and cute to you, but it’s not to us. Stop telling us to not be offended over something that clearly made us upset. We have a right to be angry. Our history is being made as if it’s a joke; a nice love story. Slavery wasn’t cute. Slavery wasn’t nice. Slavery wasn’t falling in love with your oppressor. Slavery was r-pe, it was murder, it was snatching and breaking families apart, it was brutal. The fact that this story romanticizes it is absolutely ridiculous and we have every right to feel pissed off about it.
No one assumed your race. And no, that’s not racist. At most, prejudice. But not racist. If you WERE a white person, you would have no position to speak over POC issues, ESPECIALLY when a POC is telling you it. That’s not racist. Stop throwing around words you don’t know.
You really don't know my degree of education, where I'm from, my social status or even something personal about me, and are you assuming my knowledge about slavery? don't call me stupid
Adding that you are telling me that it is a type of power game, do not make me laugh, the spinel literally raped the nobleman and the noble did nothing about it because he felt bad for his rapist
And that's when they romanticize something, seeing that it had no consequences on their relationship or on the victim is weird, don't you think?
Also, you are focusing on the wrong things in the story, you are not paying attention to the characters and the plot
Dev wants to find and save his mother and sister who were taken away to be sold
The nobleman is a boy who from a young age had to assume the position of his father because he was murdered along with his mother for not supporting the slavery of the spinels and trying to stop that smuggling
You are angry because this story has undertones of slavery and because spinels have to have, coincidentally, dark skin
I understand, but for me it would be offensive if spinels were ugly and stupid people, because stupid I don't think they are
By the way, it is racist to say '' You cannot give your opinion if you are white ''
The same sentence would not be the same if I said '' You cannot give your opinion because you are black ''
It is racist, because you are denying a right to an opinion to a person because of their race, it is not prejudice
All people can be racist, no matter their race
“Dev wants to find and save his mother and sister who were taken away to be sold”
so... power dynamic... dev is a slave.... his master has the power to find his family.... dev is WITH his master because the master has power.... dev also knows that his master has power to literally kill him with no consequences.... so power dynamic has a BIG play in this relationship.
“don't call me stupid”
First, im gonna call a duck a duck if it quacks like one. Second, I said you’re ignorant about slavery history. Not stupid. How you interpreted that is based entirely on you. Ignorant means uneducated. Never said anything about your background.
“...focusing on the wrong things...you are not paying attention to the characters and the plot”
There’s more to a story than characters and plot. The background and genre of the story is offensive. I called it offensive. The relationship is LITERALLY slave x master. No BDSM, literal historical slave x master.
“spinels have to have, coincidentally, dark skin“
oh so that was entirely on accident? out of all the colors on the palette, they coincidentally picked dark colors? as if... that had no historical background.... let me bite the bait and say that WAS what happened, so the author is ignorant to slavery, and should not have created a story BASED on it? the author should not have used slavery has one of the themes because they clearly don’t know much information about it, right?
“...offensive if spinels were ugly and stupid people, because stupid I don't think they are”
That’s your opinion. Other characters in the story have clearly shown that opinion has well. Like, that was literally in the first few chapters where Dev was captured?
“You cannot give your opinion because you are black.''
You literally used a “if those roles were reversed...” example but fail to realize the roles WERE reversed. We DIDNT have the ability to give our opinions, because we are black. Saying this to a WHITE person, who has no history of oppression, is not racist. A white person can not speak OVER BIPOC over their own history. A white person never been through the same slavery BIPOC went through, so they can’t say what/how BIPOC should feel about it. They can have an opinion, but when a BIPOC tells them that something is offensive towards them because it’s disrespectful towards THEIR history, then that person needs to realize that it’s offensive.
Reverse racism does not exist.
Prejudice does not equate to the systematic and institutionalized discrimination that BIPOC faced because of white people.
Racism is historical oppression faced because of race. White people have not been oppressed for their race for over CENTURIES.
Racism is social power imbalances based on race. White people benefited from this power imbalance. (See: White privilege).
Again, the word youre looking for is racial prejudice, not racism. Stop using words you don’t know. Actually look them up and do research on them. I’ve done essays, presentations, and taken African American studies classes BASED on this topic. If you’re gonna try to “argue” with me, at least know wtf you’re talking about.
Bitch why you putting words in my mouth, this is still romanticizing a relationship between someone who owns their fucking lover what's not clicking?
Educate yourself henty:
https://stitchmediamix.com/2018/07/12/what-fandom-racism-looks-like-not-so-sexy-slavefic/
Thank you! I did not have the energy to read this person like you have but they need to hear it. They are incredibly uneducated and anyone who truly understands the horror of slavery would never create a dumbass story like this EVER. Plenty of white people know that shit too so they have no excuse. There are a million ways to respectfully write slave fiction yet the author chose to lazily make a story that eroticizes slavery instead of being creative and sensible. People don't realize this symbolizes a deeper more systematic issue.
This could've just been a straight forward rape fantasy, why did the author feel the need to make it romantic at the end, its so fucking hard to just find some good straight forward rape kink. Romanticizing rape is not only morally wrong it also ruins the sexiness of rape kink. Ugh I hate how much Japanese writers do this shit, it's fucking annoying.
Yea like fuck uke should have been so mad. When he put the bandages on I was like "Yeah YOU did that cuz he was RAPING YOU. You shouldn't like him anymore!" And it just seemed kinda stupid and it also ruined the whole thing for me.
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Minhyuk is going to try to set Mafia Daddy up, he literally was thinking "The boss has alot of enemies" this nigga plotting something. I think he helped manipulate Sooyoung's kidnapping inthe most recent chapter, this really turning into some Helen of Troy shit. Sooyoung got these two alphas heated for him so you know its going down, I can't wait for Minhyuk to get his ass whooped by Mafia Daddy. He did NOT look happy in the latest chapter
oh my god i was not expecting shit to turn out like that but sooyoung fine so im not that surprised lmao
Lmao he TOO fine poor bby. He bout to tear apart a whole mafia group with just his bussy alone chile
Omg this’s going to be spicy
I want to see how Sooyoung responds to finding out he was r*ped by Minhyuk. People are weirdly acting like somehow its not that big of a deal if he wasn't penetrated. Like, are we reading the same manhwa? This child was r*ped repeatedly by his ex who also mentally abused him, he was abused by his alcoholic dad, he's literally been through so much trauma and yall really think him being r*ped by Minhyuk isn't a big deal? Huh?
Imagine going through all that abuse only to have a trusted friend r*pe you once you finally let your guard down. You would be devastated rather you were PeNeTrAtEd or not. People tell victims all the time to be grateful that "It wasn't worse". Do you think a traumatized person gives a fuck about that? Even attempted r*pe can destroy your trust in other people.
Some of y'all don't seem to understand that r*pe is a very PSYCHOLOGICAL form of violence. Yes the physical violation/pain adds to the horror too but what truly scars the victim is the feeling of losing control over their own body. Sometimes victims will even become hypersexual as a way to try regaining that sense of agency. Sound familiar? Well Sooyoung started fucking Mafia Daddy /because/ he was using sex as a coping mechanism. That's why he wants it more every time he thinks about Ji Song. Mafia Daddy even noticed it, that why he was feeling hesitant when Sooyoung would ask for sex.
I understand y'all just don't want it to be as bad as it is but you're simultaneously invalidating the experiences of real life r*pe survivors who has had this happen to them. You're treating a horrific thing like its not a big deal when it is. Even more so considering how traumatized Sooyoung already is. I guarantee you he won't see it as less of a violation just because he wasn't penetrated.
TLDR
R*pe and assault are not just physical crimes, the amount of physical violence is not the only thing that matters. In fact the psychological damage matters much more.
Edit: I wanted to add that it's incredibly heteronormative to require penile penetration as a condition of r*pe as that completely ignores the fact that sex does not always involve penile penetration. For example female r*pists often times are not brought to justice because they usually do not penetrate their victim, it's an incredibly horrible oversight.
Hail hail
I was baffled how people still like this scrum minhuyk and even they wished for this rape because minhyuk is hot .....
Honestly I don't get it either but I'm not going judge people for being attracted to Minhyuk or liking him, that doesn't bother me as much. My main beef is with people downplaying and excusing his actions as not that bad. They are perpetuating a horrible mindset that needs to die already.
But yea the people cheering the r*pe on are flaming garbage, this shit is disgusting.
This comment section had me rolling lmao y'all funny, I knew ch.20 would cause a rift. But I'm surprised to see how many people dropped Minhyuk, y'all must really care for our boy Sooyoung. Idk man I don't see a problem with still appreciating Minhyuk as an interesting character, his predatory and calculating ways are scary af in an exciting way. Still I'm team Mafia Daddy all the way for now, he's the perfect combo of domineering, psychotic yet respectful and soft towards Sooyoung, AND he can dick him down like no other, perfect combo! A pretty face ain't enough for me I love me some thick Daddy.
With that said some people in the comments seem to think ch.21 doesn't classify as rape or are just confused about it so I'm going to spoil a bit below cause this should be addressed.....
Someone said that the intercrural sex on chapter 21 was sexual harassment, that totally undermines the seriousness of how Sooyoung was violated. But what's even more alarming are people who seemed relieved and say it's NOT rape because there was no penetration. I'mma break down why it indeed was rape/sexual assault.
***Sexual Harassment is any unwanted VERBAL, WRITTEN, ELECTRONIC or physical conduct, of a sexual nature THAT IS MEANT TO INTIMIDATE*** It's not going into full blown forced sex, it is a /threat/ of a sexual nature. (Ex. like groping and cat calling)
Both what Minhyuk did in this chapter and the next is a build up to sexual assault/rape. Almost textbook actually:
Sexual assault means an actual or attempted ///sexual contact/// with another person without that person’s consent.
>Sexual assault's definition includes a lot of what Minhyuk did:
Involvement in any sexual contact when the victim is unable to consent.
Intentional and unwelcome touching of, or coercing, forcing, or attempting to coerce or force another to touch a person's intimate parts (defined as genital area, groin, *******INNER THIGH******, buttocks, or breast). Yes, that includes thigh fucking.
Sexual assault includes sexual contact with a person who is unable to consent, either due to age (under 17) or being **INCAPASITATED** (e.g. as a result of /intoxication/ or the influence of other drugs).
>Some of his actions are defined in the definition of rape too:
Subtle or overt verbal or physical /coercion/ is used to TRICK someone into having sex.
It is automatically ASSUMED that someone wants to have sex **because she/he is drinking heavily**, dresses in a certain way, or agrees to go to another person's room.
So there we have it. I understand it's fiction but when I see people genuinely argue that penetration is what constitutes as rape the Sex Ed nerd in me just cringes so hard. That is one of the oldest and most harmful myths about rape and has contributed to real survivors being ignored or belittled by the justice system. When I see people not understand rape beyond penetration the problem then bleeds into reality and it's concerning.
I beg y'all please read up on rape myths. There are young ones on here (who ain't suppose to be) reading this stuff, don't spread harmful misinformation about a serious crime. It's okay to like Minhyuk or whatever but let's not glorify the rape or spread rape myths. Overall I'm happy that a good amount of people seemed to know very well that it is indeed sexual assault, that gives me faith.
P.S. On chapter 21 he actually does entice Minhyuk in a drunken stupor but Sooyoung says a certain name in the middle of it, so clearly he was too delirious to recognize Minhyuk.
And y'all know whose name he said ;)
I think that Minhyuk/Sooyoung is going to be one-sided. I understand that we sometimes forget about what the MC actually wants but if you look at their interactions so far it's clear that Sooyoung has no feelings for him. This manga has really beautifully expressive art, if Sooyoung felt something we'd see it on his face. All their interactions have felt platonic from his side, he doesn't treat Minhyuk any differently than his other friends and co-workers. All the googly eyes is coming from Minhyuk.
Don't get me wrong, it was incredibly cute seeing Minhyuk get all love struck when Sooyoung said he was cute, but Sooyoung has always been honest. Sooyoung wasn't blushing or anything, of course he finds Minhyuk attractive (who doesn't lol) but he's not attracted TO him. If you compare that to his interactions with Mafia Daddy then it's even more evident that he sees Minhyuk as only a friend. Next chapter is going to emphasize this fact even more, trust me.
The way I see it Minhyuk's love is destined to be a tragically unrequited one unless Mafia Daddy does something to hurt Sooyoung and chase him away. But even then who knows?
Ha---Have you read read chapter 20 yet??? (⊙…⊙ ) The first pages are a good example ;)
Also, I'm caught up on the manhwa, there are much MUCH more things to come
Nice to see a legitimate BDSM and not rape/abuse where they just label it as BDSM. This mangaka actually /knows/ what they're doing! And on top of this beautiful kinkiness and art the bottom is the dom here. I need a million more BDSM mangas like this, I'm so in love <3333 I was beginning to lose faith in finding an actual BDSM manga but this one gives me hope T-T
You have any recs cuz same?