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Also I don’t want anyone to get discouraged from reading this because this is actually a good story. The art is amazing, the characters are relatable, and there’s a lot of sweet moments. My only hope is that the author will not passively ignore the problems of neglect and trauma the child may have faced and brush the long years of sadness and loneliness off and have an easy forgiveness. These kind of relationships take years to mend back and I’m hoping it won’t just happen in the span of several weeks or months.

I understand your situation because my sister is doing this to her two children. Me and my mother are taking care of them, honestly im annoyed that she acts this way, shes alway find a man and making mistake. now she has a another child coming. I honestly feel sad for my nephews to have such a bad mother. I hate the fact that she sometimes suddenly acts like she care for them and then leave them again and again. She had 3 child from 3 different men, and when we tell her the truth, she says that we arent experience enough to know what's she's going through. For me just looking at her right now it tells me that love is shit. Love is so blinding it to the point where you'll abandoned you own child. Truthfully i resent my sister, my childhood was ruin by her. She wasn't home taking care of her babies, she was out partying and having fun. While i was 9 or 10 i was helping my mother care for my nephews. This has lead me to depression. Now that she's having another child I aint helping anymore.

I mean, I don’t think this manhwa is neglecting it? They’re legit talking about it right now. She’s working hard to become a better mother and make their relationship more stable. However, that just coincided with her son’s marriage. The only reason she objects to it so much is because not many people will be happy in an arranged marriage. She can’t say much about hers since she end up happy, but that was also cause she didn’t have a choice to get married. So, when her son, who she wants to reconnect with, goes through the same thing as her, she knows what it feels like best to have an arranged marriage and she doesn’t want her son to feel like that. Unlike her, he doesn’t need to get engaged immediately. Not to mention, the girl he’s being arranged with has a bunch of bad rumors about her(being spoiled and stuff)

Although she acted like she did in the past, she is still trying to make up for it, and unlike your sister, she’s gonna keep trying in my opinion. She finally realized what she treasured the most when she died and she wants to be able to redo her life before she dies while hopefully healing all the wounds she had caused. It’s not a sudden change in personality with a, “I was scummy but since I’m better now, you should like me,” she is trying to reconnect and right the wrongs she made. Even if it’s late, she’s trying to make an effort.

It’s just that her efforts coincided with his arranged marriage, which is a sore spot for her. She doesn’t want her son to go through the same pains as her, even if she did end up happy in the end with her husband.

I think the same way too.
And we can't forget about political reasons too. She wants her son to marry some he likes and someone from politically neutral family. So that when one side wins Vincente doesn't get hurt or lose his position in court later because of his wife's family's side lost. Harsen's family is politically neutral. But because he married her, people think that he chose his wife's family's political side. So if her brother somehow lose his power/position it might affect her husband's position and her son in bad way. And it seems like the girl's family Vincente is arranged doesn't belong to her older brother's political group. So her son could face some difficult decision to choose his uncle's side or his father-in-law's side. And she wouldn't want it for Vincente.

We ALL agree with the mother that it’s a bad choice. Like that shouldn’t even be a debate? However, does she need to say that she has the right to be apart of his decision because she’s his “mother” ?
No one is mad that she gave her opinion, people are mad that she feels the right to say that as a mother. It’s the entitlement. And even if she’s making an effort now, it doesn’t mean her actions shouldn’t be ridiculed. Her few weeks of trying vs her 15-18 years of neglect and abuse cannot be just brushed off by drinking tea and shopping with the child. I am def all for redemption, which is why I’m reading this, but it doesn’t come easily. She will be ridiculed for her past actions and current actions but the way people keep reminding that she went through shit (yes she did, I read it too people). I’m not blind or heartless. But to bring out the “not ready for a child” “too much pressure” “she was sad and depressed” excuse to a person who says “18 years of neglect is wrong” is just...Was she not ready for a child for over 18 years? Did she not feel like she should have taken responsibility even after she reached her 30’s? People seem to pity her the most and it’s understandable because it’s telling the story from her perspective, but imagine it from his perspective.

Damn, that’s really tough. I’m sorry for what you had to go through. That’s such a huge burden and responsibility at a young age and they’re not even your children. Your sister should def seek help because this is just child abuse on her part as a parent. She also needs to confront the fathers because they are just as much responsible for their child. You and your mother should not have to burden yourselves with their responsibilities. Focus on healing yourself first and leave it to them to solve their problems because child neglect is a serious crime punishable by years and years of imprisonment. She is seriously lucky to have you and your mother, and I’m sure your nephews won’t forget your efforts. Children bond most to those who make the effort to care for them.

I’m not saying she shouldn’t be ridiculed and as I said before, I think the engagement talk was just extremely bad timing as it happened just as she started trying to reconnect and the topic is a sore subject for her. Some people can also go through depression all their life and it can really ruin their relationships with others. I think that’s the main reason she didn’t realize what she had done wrong for so long. I don’t think what she did should be completely forgotten since that’s not how that works, I was just saying that she is trying with good intentions, but just with the worst timing. Tbh, I’m not the type of person that’s like, “no mother can hate her own child! All children should be with their mothers!” Cause that’s dumb and my mom was an evil woman that I don’t talk to anymore. However, that’s because I know that her attempts at reconnecting were all for her own personal gain and that she was truly an evil woman at heart. Anyway, maybe rather than a mother, she’s entitled to voice her opinions as someone who had gone through an arranged marriage and knows about arranged marriages. Not to mention, she knows what kind of girl he’s being engaged to. Which her husband didn’t seem to check, and maybe that also reminded her of how she was almost forced to be engaged to a guy that she didn’t like the personality of either but her father weighed the political advantage they would get over her wellbeing(she’s a more emotional person than a political savvy one in my opinion). Kind of selfish, but she was still willing to go through with it(until she got the other proposal) and probably doesn’t want the same thing that happened to her to happen to her son(who’s she begun to care about.)

No way am I saying she is completely rid of fault and there’s no way I’m saying she’s mother Mary or should be pitied. I just think that her objection to her son’s arranged marriage is valid in my opinion.

Anyway, I probably can’t convince you since child neglect seems to be a big problem for you(I don’t get triggered by it as much even though I was a neglected/abused child by my mom, and I‘ve decided to move on from it and use it as an experience I can learn from and be happy with my stepdad and sis. That’s why I think I’m a little bit more blunt, sorry...)

Your right, but you gotta take into account that both of them were still children themselves.
The ml had to take all the responsibilities as the Duke at age 17 (?) And the mc had to pick a suitable husband, in a political marriage, that would benefit her family and wouldn't harm her at age 15 (?) Even if this was normal then, it was still a huge burden for the both of them.
She even had to conceive a child at like 20 or 22 when she still hadnt felt mature enough to take on a huge responsibility like that.
Though I'm not saying that it's excusable to neglect and resent her child, whatever the reason.

No, she had the child at around 17 ish. in an earlier chapter she mentioned being 23 while her son was 5.

So basically what you just said but worse!!

Yeah but that’s like 15 long years of neglect tho and she only regretted it after 18 years before she died. I WOULD understand if it was like 5-6 years but FIFTEEN years is unbelievable. People might easily forgive her because to them, it’s just a number and just wants the story to move but to those who have been neglected even for a short amount of time (especially children) it’s extremely painful and that’s coming from someone who has been neglected. At this point, you’re in your mid thirties and have hardly looked at your own child. Personally, that is not something I can understand. Btw I think she married around 18 (intl age) since they had a coming of age party for the ml and it was almost her’s but idk.

Seriously?!?! (⊙…⊙ ) Man that's hard.

Yeah, but it seemed like she also had a mental illness (I think).

Mc's father was dying, her sister married the crown Prince (?) and they couldn't see each other without the help from the ml, her brother got a wife, don't remember what happened to her mother (presumably died) and the only "love" or recognition she could get was from the people at the parties that she indulged in.

I'm not saying that her family neglected her, quite the opposite. But I think that after everyone had moved on with their lives and her environment significantly changed, she got overwhelmed and doing something she liked, which was going to parties, had made her feel better?

The affect of losing family members, getting married and on top of that, having a child caused her to place her resentment on her child.

Either way tho, 15 years of neglect or 18 from her past life is long and I can't comprehend that either.

Regarding the coming of age party, I think females became adults at 15-16 years old and boys at 17-18 years old. She was 15, I think, when she went to the mls debunte (is that how you spell it?) so I think she had hers at 16.

That’s literally my point. I’m not mad she’s neglecting her child but I’m talking about the duration of the time. I obviously understand she had her own priorities at such a young age where she’s still a child herself but when you’re 35 and still don’t know a thing about a child that lived with you for 18 years and then she says something like “I’m his mother”, like since when? No you’re not unless you’ve gained his approval or something. I mean def she’s right that he should marry someone he loves but it felt so wrong that after SO LONG, she FINALLY cared to use the mother card.

Honestly?? Some of this might be plot based. Like it is nonsensical to you cuz the writer is pushing things beyond believability.

We will be getting special chapter (reversal) next week but not complaining lol

I KNOWWW. It hurts that we won’t be seeing the next chapter but that reversal episode was something else (▰˘◡˘▰)

Ugh, I really would just give the author all my money right now. If I had money. I love this

Dude I know she cheated--thats a pretty horrible thing but dat guy himself cheated on her too ya'no--with other girls at da hotel and stuff but tbh,she cheated without knowing datt soo,I kinda get what you're sayin-- I just know datt both da boyfriend and girlfriend are cheaters ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Lol I skipped so much so I guess I didn’t see that part he was also a cheater. Wow so everyone is shitty. I guess he deserved what’s coming to him. Well it’s smut so I guess I expected too much.

she's a dumb whore

Ok but this only shows how bad this manhwa is. Killing Stalking had detailed backstories, character development (not necessarily positive), intriguing plot in 67 chapters. I know this is a slowburn but it's because the author spends entire chapters (also very short chapters) of rape without plot.

Honestly I just blame it on lazy writing at this point. I'm actually quite glad people are being more vocal about it. In numbers, readers are bringing light to some very important issues that should be recognised in the BL graphic novel's community. Being the top, most well-known manhwa on the BL market, other authors and readers are presumably to be included in prevalent points discussed about POTN. I also believe this is great for the author to receive criticism on her writing and reflect on a lot of her weaknesses as a writer. People get better through trial and error so this may be a great learning point. People have mentioned the lack of background story, the lack of character stories/profile, the lack of plot and development. I feel like Byeonduck can take this information and put it to good use for future works that may be developed by her.

i tried not to think of this because i still had hope for the story, but now i really get your point. i get that this is a slow burn, but the plot doesn't seem interesting now for me. like not even a bit. before, i used to get excited whenever there's an update because POTN is such a unique manhwa with it being historical and all. but at this point i'm just forcing myself to read this lol.

It's not even unique for its setting, there are other BL set during the same era like Ghost Child, but they didn't get the same amount of advertisemnt PotN has. Ghost child was released in 2018 and people think that it copied from PotN, when probably the opposite is true

yea i saw people accusing ghost child for copying potn. before i read potn, i didn't ghost child exist so ig that's why i found it unique lol. and i really like byeonduck's art style. it's just a huge waste for byeonduck to throw away potn like this. potn is really overrated.

Honestly everything you say has a valid point and standing. This story was interesting at first but as we continued reading it sort of becomes repetitive with the constant r@pe and toxic things. Unlike in killing stalking, yes there was r*pe, but it wasn't the whole focus point of it. The author of KS made sure to create a strong story that works well it those scenes that makes you want to continue reading to see how things will play out, but POTN doesn't do a well job at that. Yes the art is gorgeous, and the nakyum is a adorable character, but the rest of the characters lacks so much and sometimes the story feels like every scene just leads to sex... Even though KS is horror and not actual BL I kinda wish more BL stories had a strong developed story that isnt all about sex

I was someone who was very invested in POTN. I would buy every release as soon as they dropped. I'd be excited for Friday every week just to read a chapter. Now I struggle to even read the illegally uploaded updates on Mangogo having already given up on wasting my money on recent chapters. I had HIGH HOPES for this second season but I just can't ship or enjoy the story and characters anymore. I'm still going to read it just to see how the author decides to take it but I don't believe I'll legitimately enjoy this particular story anymore and it hurts to say that.

You've said it all. Say it louder.

Things get better xD