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the seme not a good person too to begin with..why are you blaming the uke only..??

Heegyeom has changed a lot since the drug thing and has already made the changes to become a better person while Jung is still not sure how much he wants to change and when he’s not sure falls back into bad habits. I like him I just need him to make a decision to do better as to not hurt himself or anyone else anymore.

then stop blaming him..people like that exist in real life..they need lots of time, support and people who willing to explain shit to them..be patience and they will slowly realize what is right and wrong..btw i didn't meant to offended you..i'm sorry if i sound a bit harsh

Oh I’m not offended and I’m not blaming him like he’s a bad person I just think it’s unrealistic to forgive him when he hasn’t even apologized yet

You’re just not reading in btwn the lines and understanding the deeper and complex characterization behind the characters. You’re acting ableist towards Chowon and act like the worst ppl cant grow from their mistakes. And they can, hun. Clearly, you live in a black and white bubble

It’s one thing to start to see the wrong of something and try to change but he isn’t trying to change. He has been blaming everything on others or his “intentions” but intentions don’t always matter when the outcome only hurts others. I’m not ableist and I love the story but until Chowon changes actually then I will continue to dislike him.

Clearly you haven’t actually been on the receiving side of people with that mentality. I haven’t forgiven the people in my real life for not changing and having “intentions”. Chowon doesn’t deserve it yet either.

lmao criminal charges is criminal charges mate, ill see u change when u out in 27 years but ppl aint above the law no matter the excuse

I think the fact he’s been somewhat kind to Kyungsoo and even fallen in love with despite him being a beta, shows the start of change in his character. And I very much have been on the receiving side of that mentality, both from someone who did change and someone who hasn’t. Trust me, hun. I’ve been thru a lot of sh*t in my life to know when someone will change or not. In the case of Chowon, he clearly has a lot of mental problems that coincided with his wrong actions, doesn’t excuse it, but leaves for a lot of psychological analysis and understanding. Usually, when a person like Chowon has underlying mental health problems, they almost always change. When someone doesn’t change, that’s not a problem related to mental health, but who they truly are. And clearly, Chowon doesn’t fit with the latter. To say that someone is incapable of changing, despite showing clear signs of mental problems, is very ableist, just an FYI. Even if you didn’t mean it or didn’t know, it’s still ableist. Especially since Chowon literally had attempted s*icide here

I never said showing change can excuse someone’s wrongful actions nor did I say anyone is above the law, dude. Plz reread my comment. People can do bad things but that doesn’t mean they’re bad people. There is always a reason why someone does something, good or bad. And when someone does something bad, you should always try to understand where that person is coming from so you don’t act all ableist towards them becuz more often than not, people who commit crimes have mental health issues that have been ignored, undiagnosed, or left unattended or perhaps have had a f*cked up past you are not aware of. Of course, that doesn’t excuse they’re actions, but it leaves room for understanding and opportunity to grow. It’s not good to always demonize criminals. Not all criminals are actually bad ppl who don’t have the option to change. There is ALWAYS more to what meets the eye

while this is all said and true, a disability is not an excuse to kidnap someone, call three guys over to rape the person, threaten the person

these are all criminal offences, sure Chowon can become a good person and change maybe after time in jail and therapy

this shit wouldn't fly in real life and calling out criminal offence is not ableism, sure saying that him attempting suicide is what he deserves is rude but that's just an emotional response to a criminal with mental problems being glorified as someone who isn't required to repent

what you're doing is ENABLING his abusive behaviour towards others

he literally thinks he owns the man he divorced and tried to get his boyfriend r*ped, that is disgusting no MATTER what you've been through, its not a rationale

-from someone who actually has underlying mental health problems and knows several other people who have been to correctional facilities to atone for crimes as the law requires in real life :)

No one is saying that a disability is excusing criminal acts, again, you. Are. Not. Reading. The. Entirety. Of. What. People. Are. Commenting. And understanding someone for WHY they committed an act, is in no way enabling those criminal acts. LITERALLY NO ONE IS DOING THAT! Majority of people are commenting how they understand him, BUT DO NOT excuse him OR feel bad for him becuz he literally attempted s*icide. It’s not abnormal to have a heart that understands people, understanding is literally the basics of psychological analysis. Crime is a crime. Yes. But that doesn’t mean the criminal will stay a criminal. The way you are phrasing things, is very much detrimental and ableist and disregarding what so many people have been trying explain. Don’t start coming here and articulating like you had a logical understanding of the situation. Your previous comments did not show that AT ALL and gave off the vibe that you don’t understand how complex human beings are.

-from someone who also has underlying mental health problems and has attempted 3 times and been sent to a correctional facility and have also known several other close people who have also been sent to correctional facilities

First, I didn’t say yes incapable of changing and second you should t expect people to forgive anyone else no matter the changes or not. I made my comment because at this point I don’t feel like he has changed and again no one should expect me to change my mind. No one should try to call me ableist for (one I’m not discriminating) I just think he hasn’t changed. I’d rather be free to state my opinion without people coming for my neck when my opinion doesn’t take rights away nor does it harm others. He hasn’t changed yet to ME and I’ve seen a lot of people in my life Blame their poor actions on their mental health. I’ve also seen people change and I never said he wasn’t a complex character I just don’t trust nor think at where he is in the story he deserves forgiveness. He hasn’t earned it and that’s mostly what I meant about my OG comment. Everyone was so easily forgiving and I’m just not and that’s the end of my opinion.

Oh and btw if you thought I meant he “deserved” to feel like he should kill himself that’s not what I was saying either. No one should feel like that. But this Apart of y’all convo so pop off

That’s totally understandable. Forgiveness is different for the individual. Your initial comment just made it seem as if you weren’t willing to understand Chowon as a very difficult complex character. From what’s been shown so far, he clearly loves Kyungsoo, and in this recent chapter, it appears he said those things about Dojun out of the uncontrolled and overwhelming emotions he was feeling in that moment after being discovered of his previous criminal acts by the one he loves, and mind you, the one he loves that loves him back in return, something he hasn’t experienced at all and the lack of feeling loved, explains his skewed possessive way of loving. So I don’t think he was serious about those words, but that’s all from psychological speculation of what we now know so far of Chowon. Of course that doesn’t mean you should forgive him. Forgiveness is up to everyone. But it doesn’t hurt to understand someone. The surface isn’t everything. And I apologize for misunderstanding your comment. Also, the last sentence where you say “he is getting what he deserves”, I thought he were referring to him attempting s*icide and I felt that was not okay. No one deserves to actually d*e from an attempt. That’s just wrong and I hope that’s not what your were referring to, cuz to believe someone deserves to succeed in an attempt is just... so immoral and very ableist.

Okay, just read this after responding to your other response. That’s good. Your first comment gave off that vibe and that’s what I assumed you were referring to and was where my ableist accusation most stemmed from. I apologize for misunderstanding and calling you an ableist.

is genuinely happy around kyungsoo
forgets dojun when he's with him
lets him touch his property and even let him enjoy himself
invites him to his concert reserving a special seat
goes with kyungsoo's whims without complaints (the concert)
tried to call him several times to explain
called out his name till the very end

Yeah sure, he's just a toy to play with.

It’s cool I was referring to everyone who was upset with his decisions and all the people in the manhwa who were afraid of him and left him. That’s what I was saying he deserved because for most of them he they hadn’t even gotten a real apology or to them it didn’t seem like he was going to change. I understand Chowon seems to have a mental health issue but I’m not sure what kind nor am I going to up and label him one. I just didn’t give forgiveness because at this point in the story I personally don’t think he deserves one.

It’s fine now. I understand why you’d assume that. But suicide isn’t a joke or anything anyone deserves. So I get why you’d assume I’m ableist if that’s what I would have meant but I didn’t so we good now lol.

-there were comments early on when the chapter was first released excusing his behaviour because of his poor mental health, a lot of been deleted

-I never said he wasn't capable of changing, I didn't attack his person with any inappropriate language, just stated past acts

-I never said it was inappropriate to feel bad for him, obviously, it is painful to see when anybody attempts to take their own life

-I never said he would stay a criminal, just wanted to clarify that atonement is required and healthy for the person in question

-I never said he was incapable of changing

-My way of phrasing things was just how the author wrote the scenes that I mentioned, just factual sentences, I did not attack Chowon

-My previous comments didn't contain any of the above information either but they did mention his factual criminal offences so you tied in your own narrative and acted as if I had commented those words when I hadn't