if this were straight no one would support it but because it's guys apparently rape isn't an issue.
no, i'd be fine if it was straight too, since it's fictional porn
I get what you mean. I get really annoyed at authors who use rapes as device to move the plot. It's so unrealistic overused. I mean can't they have kinky sex without someone being raped. However, I feel like some manga really uses it is a positive way that adds to the characters and story line. (ex. warehouse?)
fictional is not an excuse. if a guy boldly proclaimed he liked to read stories about girls getting raped he'd be rightfully shamed because fictional or not it tells something about your own character. i rly want to know what's the appeal in reading about someone unwillingly engaging in intercourse with someone else. is the fact that the manga writers purposefully make it seem like a normal bodily reaction means that the victim ~secretly~ enjoys it? maybe id understand if it led the way for complex plot line but most yaoi with rape turn it into love which is disturbing. there's nothing romantic about rape.
i haven't read warehouse yet but i agree rape can be used for building character/story line but i don't see that happening for this manga (or a lot of yaoi with rape elements) and that rly disappoints me because the plot was originally appealing to me.
well in this case he might have been unwilling at first but it's not like he was totally against it. either way you can't judge someone's character solely on the fact that they enjoy something fictionally. for example, you like to read about two guys fucking each other. you could be perceived as a fuckin weirdo and pervert to others. I'm not saying rape is okay, but the fact is that it is fictional and should stay fictional. Don't try to bring depth into it or whatever by comparing it to real life shit. sometimes you're not gonna ever get answers, everybody has their own quirks. sometimes all you wanna do is see/read about them fucking and rape just happens to be what the mangaka had fantasized about. just like you might fantasize about s&m, or super fluffly romantic sex, some people just aren't into that. just like tentacle sex, some people are into that shit and I don't get it but whatever I get over it and don't ever watch it/read it. leave people's fantasies alone
if the person is not up for it at the very beginning, it's already rape. you aren't really comparing reading about two guys loving each other to rape. if someone finds me weird for reading about gay people id be inclined to believe they are just homophobic.
and nothing is just fictional. the second you start to become desensitized to something in the fictional realm, it affects you in reality too, whether you're aware of it or not. is simple psychology. the fact that someone is fanticizing about OTHER people getting raped is disturbing and im going to judge it as such. it deals with real life shit and im going to compare it to real life shit. whether you like it or not, your "quirk" involves an actual problem that should not be romanticized and im sorry your too numb to see that.
i never said rape was romantic. besides, what you're doing is just shaming others for their tastes and opinions, which is rather rude
also, if youre really affected by fiction, you must lack self control and the ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. people arent as dumb as you think they are, and their thoughts shouldnt matter as long as they dont act on them (which in most cases they dont)
it's literally psychology. people aren't as smart as they think they are. by allowing something in the fictional realm, you ARE slowly desensitizing yourself in reality. there are studies to show this and the fact that you are defending rape to romance stories as harmless is just proof. you don't need to act on rape to condone it, by simply defending it you are contributing to rape culture, which is a very real thing. i don't know how old you are but i do hope you grow up one day to see how wrong rape is. it's psychologically damaging and no amount of anticlimactic fetishized stories about boys in "love" is going to change that.
oh my god it's like you people don't understand rape is a crime. you're literally saying you like seeing other people get stripped of their human rights and forced into sexual situations they did not agree to. this is a real life problem that should not be belittled into some kink. you like rough play then get into consensual bdsm, rape is not consensual and should not be celebrated as such. you might not think fiction influences you but it does. and it influences everyone else who reads these kinds of things and accept it as ok. there's a very thin line between fiction and non fiction.
You're really be too literal all about this. Why can't we just enjoy something because it's fictional. Just because i may enjoy a scene that does include rape does not mean I condone it in real life. In fact that really disgusts me, but you wanna be all smart and say some shit like there has been research done but you're really just judging people. I don't care what research has been done or shows, but I know what I feel and I'm not gonna take some crap from people like you who can't separate two different worlds. If you don't like rape in fiction or whatever then keep it to yourself. Don't try to tell someone that there's something wrong with them for liking something that happens in a FAKE story. Sure some of these things can happen in real life, but that can be said for just about anything that happens in fictional stories. As a matter of fact there has been true stories about people falling in love with their rapists. I actually found that kind of disturbing, but hey shit happens. Do you see other people judging the authors and fans for wanting to read or write them? Not really. You act as if we don't understand that rape is real life issue and we don't understand the seriousness of it. Nobody said that they were defending rape. I'm inclined to think that you don't know how to separate what's real and what isn't. You don't know how to accept people for all the weird and messed up person that they are. So just fuck off and don't read yaoi or manga that has rape in it because I'm sorry to tell you but there are some good stories that happen to include rape scenes. And if you don't like rape scenes in yaoi, why are you reading this manga in the first place? Why do you keep coming back? But you know what, it doesn't matter what I say because you're just gonna say something along the lines of me being a sick bastard and that I'm stupid or some shit. But don't bother to reply because I'm not gonna waste anymore time reading anymore responses.
Umm I don't mind rape in yaoi when uke doesn't mind much but I know where to draw lines in real life and what are the circumstances of rape in real life .Every one know no body will be happy or will enjoy rape in real life it is fiction that's why some people don't mind it .But that doesn't mean their character will take a turn and they will became one I don't know you meant it like that or not but when you are saying" if a guy boldly proclaimed he liked to read stories about girls getting raped he'd be rightfully shamed because fictional or not it tells something about your own character."it's like you are questioning many people who like this manga and many other people have different taste and there are many different genre that people like to read some of them are dark doesn't mean they will became like that .When you are commenting about something please think before you speak before questioning many people
You like to judge fiction and Real life it's okay do it your choice but there are people to who watch things just for fun but also know if it is good in real life or not .And yeah there is thing called fictional yeah for you it's not but to us it is and we know and no one fantasize about ohh yeah he raped it him so I am gonna do it too .People are not that dumb they know about themselves.
Your scenario speaks for the one who is making the judgement. People shouldn't judge people based on their palate of preferred genre in fiction.
Wooww now you are blaming we are contributing to rape culture but are not able to see what people are telling you again and again that We know what rape is and what are its circumstances go see kokoro o korosu we know in that manga how rape can be devastating because it shows realistic portrayl of rape .No one says there that it's good and they like to see the brothers together because people know what and why they are watching things and I am and adult who know what to watch when to watch and when to stop .
Well, if that's how you stereotype in real life, I guess there's no helping it.
But there's a line nonetheless. Other people have the neurological capacity to make distinction of reality from fantasy. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ people are enititled to enjoy what they enjoy. Just because they find enjoyment on a specific genre, or an action made by the characters in a series doesnt necessarily mean that they support such actions or advocate such actions. You don't need to tell everyone that rape is a crime. They are aware it is. But remember the line of fiction and reality and all will be well.
Ugh and why don't you understand we know how much serious is rape .But we also know what is fictional and what is real maybe you don't but we do we know it's a real life problem there are different genre and different stories made for different people for their taste no one likes when the rape is portrayed in serious way but in manga like these we also know rape became love we know in real life it's not good there are people who know the thin line between fiction and nonfiction fiction and we stay it that way .
if what happens in fiction affects our minds (like you claim), then youre saying there should be absolutely no negative things in any fiction ever. no death, no guilty pleasures, nothing but things that wont "affect us nadly in real life". you just denounced almost every story there is out there as harmful.
there's a difference between just writing about negative things and portraying them as something positive. you want to write a story about rape? sure but make sure to not just include the steamy "hot" sex, make sure to include the psychological damage to he victim afterwards, the sick and twisted mindset of the rapist, and all the other aspects. to pick and choose what parts of a real life issue you want to fictionalize and completely act like the other parts aren't important is disgusting. i am not going to reply to all of you guys because your all saying the same thing. like i said you want thrilling sex scenes invest in consensual bdsm, there is no reason we as a world that is trying to move into a more SAFER environment should be desensitizing ourselves to the horrors of rape just because the artist drew them pretty and they end ~happily ever after.~ if you don't agree with me move along, im tired of this repertoire.
congrats your contributing to rape culture. you say you aren't but the truth of the matter is you are. no one likes rape to be portrayed seriously because then they have to face the guilt of enjoying it. that's not fair to the people who have actually experienced rape. why should you get some benefit from a story that doesn't actually show what happens? how can you even get any kind of enjoyment from such a poorly written and thought out story? all these rape to love stories start and end the same exact way and yet you all go crazy for it. be honest it's not for the storyline, it's for the art. art that you can enjoy just as much if it were drawn about a consensual relationship. you guys claim that it's just fiction but look at japan. it's not just fiction. rape is very prevailent there and these kinds of stories don't show how serious the issue is. and they don't help fix the problem.
wow. yes the people who judge a guy for reading stories about people getting raped are in the wrong. lol why do i even try with this site your all just fetishizers anyways. admitting that enjoying rape would open a whole Pandora's box about a bunch of other problems that none of you all want to address.
lol @ "I don't care what research shows." im pretty sure scientists know the human brain better than you but ok. feel free to think your mentally above every other human on earth while everyone else thinks the same. for the most part all of our brains work the same. we see things, we register them, we apply them. it's a known fact that reality affects fiction and yet people think that fiction can't affect reality. lolololol
I have already said it if the uke is okay with it i don't mind it much no one in real life will be okay with it right .This is fiction that why it's like that but you don't want to understand because we all here all rapist and as new read those kind of mangas we will rape someone someday .We don't get any benefits form the story we just watch them like any other people like to watch yaoi manga people have different personalities and have different nature don't lump everything together if you don't want to it can't affect reality but it depends upon people's brain we can't help it if you don't have will enough to stop yourself from raping someone or killing someone after you watch this kind of manga or some other manga we can so please don't lump us together my brain obviously don't fiction like you I don't go and blame people they are rapist and mock them for their fetishes .That's people like you who don't want to listen .Yeah but what do we know we are rapist .
Damn you are the type who don't want to listen to the other side of story and thinks what you are saying is the only truth and everyone else are bunch of moron who are saying it can't affect them
Leave it guys they arenot the type to listen you will get irritated as long as you are talking.even reading these comments making me irritated so not gonna come here now
Literally no one said you'd become rapists. You can contribute to rape culture by others ways, like saying "if the uke is okay with it." That right there is proof of your desensitizing. If it's rape then the uke is not okay with it, and it doesn't matter how little or much they fought back or what sexual reaction they had or whatever other reasoning. It's the small things that you guys don't notice but it's THERE. Your viewpoints on rape slowly change whether you admit to it or not. Anyways whatever, indulge in your rape fantasies, act like science doesn't prove anything. I'm done here lol. Let's have another chat when you all grow up.
Yeah but you are talking like we will do it as you said fiction affect real life well in your case it does.thing is you don't know the difference between fantasy and reality we can't help if your brain is dead about it .telling people to grow up when you are mocking people for having fetishes and just because we know how to differentiate between reality and fantasy you need to grow up but lollololol you can't cause you only know you are right where other are just idiot .These are manga not real life but you can't understand you don't know when to draw line and how to but you admit or not people are different you are just blabbering about admit or not your view points slowly changes whatever .We know ourselves better than you don't go talk about us like you know us it would be better from the start of you would have kept your comment related to your self no need to talk about how other people mind work.and no god no I would never like to have another chat with a person like you who are obsessed with their own selves and don't understand another view point if enough do talk to your self in a mirror you are quite self centred afterall hah my last comment everyone have given up but I thought we should make our self clear but you are not the kind of person to listen so debating with you make us sound stupid and I don't wanna do that anymore than this do what you want to do and think of us as rapist asshole.jerks whatever we don't give a fuck anymore to the likes of you lollololol there telling people what to think without understanding their pov is not a sign of a grown up so maybe you are the one who should grow up
sorry but still the only thing youre doing right now is trying to force your opinions on others and make them feel bad by calling them horrible and stupid. yet you never consider the other side, or even attempt to understand it. why should others be put down as sick if they aren't causing any harm to anyone? you want to control how everyone else thinks and make them either agree with you or feel bad about themselves? honestly i couldnt care less but what youre doing is by todays definition bullying. if you criticize others be prepared to receive the same treatment
i really loved the concept for these stories. esp how they all had the same name and design, i like to think of it as a parallel universe loop where the two main characters continue to meet in different circumstances.
OMGGGG!! Never thought of this
I’ve learned my lesson with trying to talk about the nuance in stories that romanticize rape but the “warning” that the translators put in the beginning is so condescending and in no way helpful lmao. “triggered snowflake” how dare people not be desensitized to rape, clearly we’re the problem.