also this chapter had no business being angsty, like higari realized he's in love with the guy who's in love with him that's GREAT! all the pontification of yuki's greatness and more comparisons to ue had no reason to even be here! just let the dead man rest for fucks sake, i get it you're in love with your dead character and all your characters are in love with your dead character we already know! we've been reading about it for years but the story isn't going anywhere there's no developement, it's simply bad story telling.
make them break up make them fall in love i really don't care at this point just make them do something to keep the story moving please
i get it natuski you're obsessed with yuki (probably made him after someone you know) but why did you create uechi and made him all perfect just be this cruel to him? how many more years do i have to keep following this to see if you'll finally treat him properly?
that's not jung wook, it's some dude that blond bitch fucks bc he looks like him
i know slowburns make people impatient but i find it really cute that we've been watching them since they were little boys and (if they cover the whole novel)till they're adult boyfriends
there’s a novel? If so, can I get the link if you don’t mind
i can only find this but the translation is kinda shitty lol https://www.mtlnovel.com/salad-days/?_gl=1*10ed194*_ga*YW1wLU84M3dXc2JqUkx6SW43dWlianJ1YWc.
gonna say it again, people only seem to develop a moral compass to condemn chowon for his actions but said moral compass was nowhere to be found when dojin raped hyesung and when heeso took advantage of hyesung's post partum depression and his deplorable mental state to fool him and dojin and manipulating them to keep them appart nearly killing them in the process since they were bonded and all bc he's a control freak, hate them all or don't hate anyone but the only ones who never hurt anyone on purpose was kyungso and buyl lol
also idc for the chowon kyugnso ship either cuz tho being totally entitled to his feelings and them being totally justified kyungso decided not to check on chowon's health when he nearly died, i didn't expect him to go and swipe him off his feet and elope into a romantic escapade but just checking on his health would have been the right thig to do if his feeling for him were actually deep, more than romance chowon needs a support system that worries about his well being and is there to motivate him to get better for himself.
in the end the only characters i feel deep compassion for are hyesung and chowon, both were going through severe episodes of their respective mental illness when they made their mistakes and still pushed through to do the right thing yet they get the least sympathy but what was the other characters excuse to be shitty? non yet they are inmediately forgiven for all the horrible shit they did
Yessss! I feel the same!
oh sorry I clicked the wrong button, I fully agree with you
dojin only fell in love with him after he was pregnant (and unwanted pregnancy) and that's all it took for people to love him aand being cool with what he did yet hyesung is the childish and annoying one when he was clearly in such a low mental state and now chowon can't be forgiven but heeso and chowon's ex are angels?
funny how omegaverse is fantasy yet irl people still seem to hold the omegas to a higher standard that the rest and can't spare them the sympathy they have for others
"just checking on his health would have been the right thig to do if his feeling for him were actually deep"
Hard disagree. If you've ever dated anyone with borderline/histronic characteristics, suicide attempts after breakup are one of the flagship ways of manipulation of trying to lure the other person back into the relationship by creating a sense of obligation to stay in touch because "I almost died, you should at least come meet me if you REALLY CARE".
If you're not going to get back together with the person, leaving them be is 100% the best option for both of your well-being to not create toxic dependency after the attempt. You can care and conclude staying away is the best option without suddenly your feelings being invalid. Plus, facing someone you love after a suicide attempt is rough. If he was not ready for it I do think it's shitty to moralize him for prioritizing his own well-being. He owes Chowon absolutely nothing
yesssss
lol i'm the "crazy" person that was abandoned and stigmatized so i understand pretty clearly everything that's going on, i really don't care for the ship kyungso is the only innocent character after all and has the right to walk away but checking on someone you care about's health is the bare minimum it's not showing weaknes is just having a little empathy unless once again the feeling weren't there
i'm totally ok with them not working out since what chowon needs rn isn't romance and maybe people just need to accept that they aren't meant for each other
Well he did hear that Chowon's alive and he did express concern by asking for details but he ultimately decided that not seeing him is for the best which, if he doesn't plan on getting together with Chowon, is the more merciful option for him as well. It's not a sign of weakness to walk away. He knows Chowon is alive and decided he shouldn't get involved with him any longer and that's fine. I've been that person who went to see an ex after she tried to kill herself and it started a very nasty cycle of me feeling obliged to care for her and her ODing every time I left her. In the end, the only way to cut that was to refuse to see her anymore, even when she was at the hospital and well, I guess I lack empathy then.
Might be why this story is called "Love is an Illusion" lol
THANK YOU!! Everyone was so quick to forgive literally ever other character and their shitting actions. Dojin was horrible, Dojun was an apathetic ass, and Heeso did bad things but people are only hating on Chowon?? The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
I think everyone needs to go back and reread this from the beginning.
absolutely people holding chowon to the highest standards and wishing him death for wanting to do the things the other characters actually did and got no hate for
i honestly don't care for the ship lol i just wish chowon had a support system, he's so alone and when no one wants you near them it's hard to even want to get better cuz what's the point?
also idk why readers are so hard on chowon specifically cuz in this author's stories everyone seems to lack morals and has been a huge POS a some point, people get molested or abused left and right and then everyone acts like if nothing happend (main couple that everyone stans here consists of one constantly raping the other), it's almost surprising that they are handling this arc somewhat correctly lol
i clicked on a random page on the book and bai jinyi was introducing little swan to someone as his boyfriend, i got too lazy to read the whole book but i know we're geting there lmao it's just that the manhwa moves so slow
Omg this is a novel? Is it translated into English? Please share the link if it is, thanks!
Thank you!!!!
just because you understand why something happen doesn't mean you support it, no one is "justifying" what chowon did but you can't dismiss the explanation of why he did it.
so many "mental illness doesn't jstify...."comments... mental illness isn't just anxiety and depression or the most common disorders where you're usually still functional, some people have psychotic episodes some people have hallucinations some people have dissociative disorders and sometimes don't even remember the things they've done.
we don't know for sure what exactly is chowon's diagnosis but we know he has some serious issues that EXPLAIN his actions
omg finally THANK U FOR THIS. I feel like people are misunderstanding Chowon & it shows the fact that a few people still understand what mental illnesses are. It's so frustrating
yeah, if people are old enough to be here reading porn they are old enough to understand that the world and people are complex, they aren't just one dimentional and black or white
some mental illness can be dark and dangerous if untreated or not treated properly, you can't be discussing the morals of someone in the middle of a psychotic episode the only thing everyone should agree on is that proper treatment is urgent
Those people are also followed by doctors and They have a treatment. When They refuses to take them what should we say ? "It is not their fault" ? You must be held responsible for you actions especially since Chowo is still sane he is not crazy. Most people would have done what his boyfriend/sex friend did because at this point it is not our job to fin you nor we have the tools to do so. Stay with a person with this state of mind without providing them medication is an Insurance that what happened in the past will happen again
that's so reductionist lmao i abandoned doctors just for depression because i wasn't feeling the treatment was effective, imagine it wih a serious illness and no support system plus this is a korean story where mental health professionals are an utter embarrassment...
even legaly in some cases people are exempt of responsibility and declared not guilty by reason of insanity. you can even jusstify and wish for him to end up alone hated and even jailed if you want that's not what we're discussing but what you can't do is bullshit your way through psychiatry
mental disorders aren't just being sad anxious or quirky like the media and mileanials online make them seem, sometimes it means people who are not functional in society and some don't even have the capacity to distinguish right from wrong, add a lack of support system and terrible mental health care and you have people hurting themselves or others and it isn't "an excuse" it's simpy a factual explanation
And so what's your solution ? Because If I'm talking shit i would to know what you are proposing. Having a united front around him ? Even if he continues to hurt other people ? Not just emotionally but also physically ? What should people do ?
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I believe that if he is surrounded with the correct people & stable support system, he would not hurt them & he will listen to them because he knows he is not being judged and he considers them a safe space. People with mental illness sometimes refuse to take medication because of two things: 1 is it may not be effective, and 2 is because of what other people will think about them, just like what you're doing. It does not mean that they refused the medication, you will also refuse to stay by his side, which proves that you only see him as a person who is not stable & 'insane'. Your statement clearly shows that you lack sympathy over them & u are being very ignorant about mental illness.
Additionally, it's not like they chose to be like that. No one wants to have a mental illness & be judged by the people around them.
why should i give you a solution, we were discussing why he did what he did not coming up with a herapy program for a fictional character but if you wanna get more into it there countless papers written about mental illness personality disorders + criminal justice, shit ain't just black or white
I am not being ingnorant I'm being realist. It will never be enough! There are lot of people, parents out there who lives with people with mental illnesses do you really Think that They love is enough to prevent outburst ? Well if you Think so you are really naïve. It May be harsh but the reality for people with mental illnesses is Either they take medication and the situation becomes manageable, or unfortunately they are surrounded by doctors or end up in hospital. In the case of this mahnwa, the character clearly needs the second solution.
Being realistic also means putting oneself in the place of the people in the entourage of those who have a mental illness by only the one who has the mental illness. As I said before, I would never blame a person who leaves because he or she is aware that he or she will not be able to bear the situation?
And it is a fact, people with mental illnesses are not always stable. Which is different that being insane Idk why you associated the two
because you are challenging an opinion. when you challenge something you have to at least justify your argument. It's certainly a discussion about a fictional character, but you're talking about real problems. So to say that it only takes one person to be well surrounded for everything to work out is weird. Now if the author chooses to follow this path for his story, and I'm afraid that's what's going to happen, it's even weirder.
I never said that "love" is enough. When did I say that? I think you misunderstood what I said. Of course they would need professional help & outburtsts can't be prevented. What I'm saying is, they need to be surrounded by peope that are good to them & knows the situation well. Outbursts can't be prevented of course, but if they are with people who are knowledgeable and/or caring enough, the situation can be somehow controlled, which will then prevent that person from hurting others. I am not being naive, I am being sympathetic about the person. I will never imply that I will blame the person who leaves them. All I am saying is they need a better support system.
So we agree on this. In reality, people with mental illnesses need to be surrounded, but unlike other people in the comments, there is no reason to demonize people who do not feel capable of bearing the emotional burden that a relationship with an ill person can cause. Coming back to the story, what I see is that the character is sick and whether or not his actions are sick or not is in no way forgivable and he should be held responsible for them, especially since he doesn't seem to have any regrets. He is hurt because the person he loves has blamed him. He deserves to be alone in the end, he has a right to happiness, but for now he should focus on solving his problems and apologizing. And the people in the comments should stop minimizing a person's actions under the pretext that they have a mental illness.
it's been years since ue and mafuyu got together and they still don't talk ue still doesn't know shit about mafuyu's past mafuyu keeps sulking and not talking and keeps avoiding him and not telling him what he's feeling, we've seen them together like 3 or 4 times in years and every chapter is "they love yuki" like WE KNOW we got it the first 30 times there's no need to reminds us over and over and over again! if plot wise the story doesn't go anywhere it's plain bad writing and if you enjoy consuming media uncritically that's your choice but consumnerrs have every right to analize and criticize a piece of media they are consuming
Wait, its been YEARS?!?! How many years has it been?!?!
they started datiung 3 years ago lmao but on manga time idk
Oh you mean its been 3 years irl? I thought u meant in manga time lmao. But youre still right tho, i cannot imagine being there since 2017 and seeing absolutely NO development in ue and mafuyu's relationship. That is exhausting. So props to you for staying this long