Luna (previously Anonimo)'s Topics (108)

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He seems to say on the last page something like:
since we met , you've been such a bitch spreading her legs . I don't like that , you know?" Or something along those lines. my translation is hazy!

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Haha, looking into it...
I am talking to our translator seeing if she has time to do it. It's all up to her. Let's hope for the best :)

Yayyy!! Graciassss!! Eres un sol!! Saluditos, esperare pacientemente en esta esquina!

La traductora se pondra a trabajar en el especial de inmediato...esperemos sacar el extra pronto :)

Que bellezas todas!!! Gracias mil!! Linda, aprovecho para preguntarte...hace algún tiempo Sakyo con el seudonimo masayan (si mal no me equivoco) saco un dj de Rin y Sousuke personajes de Free!! eternal summer (gracias a ella estoy viendo el anime ヾ(☆▽☆) ). Lo he estado buscando y no ha sido publicado, al menos en este tipo de paginas. Tienes conocimiento del mismo? Solo por si lo sabes o lo has visto, me mata la curiosidad de ver como abordo la relación de esos dos y creó su versión yaoi. Te dejo el link del twitter de ella bajo el seudonimo masayan https://twitter.com/masayan_osawa

Gracias nuevamente y estaré aquí en la dulce espera (ya tambien salio el primer chapter de la nueva seria con el hermano mayor ლ(´ڡ`ლ) ) Besos preciosa!!

Que tristeza pero no he visto o escuchado de ese dj :(

...pero me encanta conocer a otra persona que tambien le guste Free!! Es una de mis series favoritas. Pero para mi mi pareja favorita en mi imaginacion jeje es makoto x haruna <3<3

Makoto es un roll de canela demasiado puro para este mundo. Me di cuenta que empece a ver la segunda temporada antes que la primera haha. Menos mal que solo vi el primer y segundo capitulo. Ahora a buscar completa la primera parte para estar en línea.

Gracias y besos!

i think those has already been translated http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kuroneko_kareshi_no_itoshikata/mf/c007.8/pg-1/ and http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/12_ji_kara_hajimaru/mi/c006.6/pg-1/

I really hate her but I think there's a good point of her showing up.
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/1364741/

Yeah, I get what you mean. It's a very personal opinion but, I don't think Takarai is only planning bringing her back just to force the situation and make Shirotani speaks about his past. I think there's more drama to come (and maybe I'm being too pretentious to say this, since I'm not qualified as an literary expert ha! Hell no, just a very ignorant reader) and could be unnecessary drama. Anyway, I trust Takarai, maybe she have something hidden in her sleeve and this woman appearing from nowhere could be a good plot twist (crossing fingers for it tbh)

Correction: I've also saw Candy! "Si me buscas tu a mi, me podras encontraaaarrr! ╮(￣▽￣)╭ that was latin version, I saw Candy swooning for every hot guy that appeared in the anime in argentine accent! "Teeeerrryyyyyy". But at ten it was the best! Childhood memories... ヾ(☆▽☆)

Shoujo? Do you mean Shounen Ai (romance but no sex)?

I was talking about the story's dynamic, because the shounen-ai I've read have more complex and dramatics plots. I think the mangaka is making a parallelism between this story and a shoujo one, like giving the main character the chance to live his love story like the shoujo mangas he has read, no? That's the impression I have. This is not tagged like a shounen-ai story, so I hope some...smut...maybe? (⊙…⊙ )

Well yes I see what you mean :)

And he is pretty much a shoujo girl in a guy's body, if you consider the mainstream shoujo out there where the girl wants a relationship, the guy is super popular, the climax is when she makes up her mind and hints at it (*teehee*) BLEH.

Yeah they better get down and dirty in the next chap so we can see if he has a dick :P

woahh sailor moon! candy xD versión latina! nice memories.
I agree this story needs action and I'm more interested in koudai and tamaki :3

I am done, seriously I am done.
"Momo was the victim of his Mom's family mistake, for how society in general let her down."
Facepalm.
All serial killers are society's fault, that's what charles manson said in trial,he didn't kill them,it was society ahahahahaha I just give up.
A killer who abused and stabbed his wife to death, in trial said "it was a mistake, I love her so much, you can't understand what I have been through " he was abused and raped during his childhood, fortunately the judge felt no pity and sentenced him to death cause in the end, he was a psycho, perfectly aware of what he was doing and the damage, the only thing he could talk about was himself, how terribly unlucky he was. But hey, we should feel sorry for him, ah Damn you society. Ever thought that rapists could have experienced some trauma, oh wait, most of them do,actually a high percentage of criminals have been through abuse. Damn society, start feeling sorry. Poor rapists, serial killers, misunderstood souls. The thing is, if you are aware of what you are doing, mentality aware, you know the damage and still commit the crime, you are a criminal .it's your fault, your choice.
By your logic we should feel sorry for Isis members too ahahaha
Seriously, I give up.

Okay we got it, you want Momo's mom to die. But could you let people write their comments in peace?
It's not like people grow up and do the things they do outside of a context. Most people on the comments are warping their minds around the new infos we just got on a character!

You are taking this too far. Please write new comments if you want but you are becoming disrespectful making fun of what others are writing.
They aren't even necessarily disagreeing with you. They simply are allowing themselves to see things from another point of view. And aren't wishing death and being so extreme with a black and white thinking.
And that last part was unnecessary!

Cut it out already!

I think you gave a really perfect answer, it's not necessary to add more and thank you very much! ヾ(☆▽☆)

They expressed themselves that's fine, I gave my opinion as well. I didn't insult anyone, I read the comment and it didn't make sense. Is it offensive when you point out faults in arguments?

"And aren't wishing death and being so extreme with a black and white thinking"
When was I being extreme ? Do you even know what that means? Give me a break. And for your Info I don't care about Momo's mom or this manga, it was the concept of excusing such behavior and turning the abuser into a victim.But hey that's extreme. And nope the last part wasn't unnecessary, I simply followed such a logic. If it sounded extreme then it simply pointed out a fault in the argument.

If you want I can change the example, and find many others so that it won't be too "insensitive."

Maybe Kiss* shouldn't have used sarcasm ,but she is right about the faults in the arguments. I asked a user how they could feel any empathy towards the mother and they gave me answers that didn't make sense. It was weird

One thing is that it doesn't make sense to you, another thing is trying to banalize a comment to the point of ridiculize it, that's disrespectful. It's ok if you disagree, but I've read a lot of comments that turns the discussion in a very interesting "forum" and that's not happening here at all. Anyway, I don't want to start a war and being qualified like "those who're feeling sympathy for such a psycho" no. I was just trying to give my point of view because I found this manga pretty interesting, how is bringing issues that, for me, makes you think seriously and maybe you want to try to listen somebody story. That's it, nothing else.

I think that the OP is wrong to say she didn't have choices. Yes, bad things happened to her--but she had many choices. Worse things happened to Momo at an even younger age, and he does not take out his pain on others. If other survivors can come out from even worse situations with even less support and not be that inhumane to others, then she could have too. Her past explains only so much--and the rest is her.

Furthermore, her main motive for what she did to Momo was money. Nothing that happened in the past changes that fact--it was for money.

It wasn't the family who abused momo, and you are wrong in considering that what momo's mum did was a normal consequence to what happened to her. If we want to put this into the real world, momo would end up a drug addict, yata would be an old man who likes young boys, and that friend would be into the business as well. There would be no way they can both be happy and stuff like that. ...it's wishful thinking.

Don't pretend you can't be hurtful and disrespect others as long as you're polite. And the words you say will have an effect on others, so if you're gonna say something, don't act like you don't have to assume it afterwards because it's an 'opinion'.

You paint Momo's mom like a 'spycho' that can't be saved or forgiven. So what other options is there but death if you condemn her existence and decide she is so rotten inside?

Yes I say extreme because the way you decide to talk about her is tainted so much by hate that you don't treat her like a human. You wished for her to experience the same kind of abuse in prison.
You also said she should have killed the boyfriend for touching her kid. To me, that's extreme.
You are judging while taking personal feelings and attachments into account but then act like it's sound arguments. And then say it's the people who dares to think of the mom's circumstances that don't make sense.

Some people can put themselves into someone else's shoes, think of their circumstances whether they agree or not, whether they hate the person or not. You can't do that, that's on you. That doesn't mean people who can are wrong. They just can do something you can't.

Your comments are every where on here, for someone who 'don't care about Momo's mom or this manga', you put a lot of energy into it. No need to try so hard.

On a side note, you act like an psychologist expert because some of your friends are studying it and keep saying spycho, sick and other pretty degrading things when involving mental illness in your argumentation. Be a little more respectful.

You can keep your examples, thanks.

"If we want to put this into the real world, momo would end up a drug addict, yata would be an old man who likes young boys, and that friend would be into the business as well."

And that's when reality surpass fiction, because I've seen that picture many times. Only a few have the emotional strenght to put that all behind and try to do good, to be good. It's not what normally happens, unfortunately. Those people are exceptional, in a way Momo is exceptional, at least he hasn't hurt anyone. His mother wasn't strong enough and what happened to her was pretty rough and I'm not talking about the rape act. The things after. What she did, for me, was a consequence of how everything went so wrong. I do blame her family because it's suposse to be that they're your support, your base. What kind of example she was left after that? if you can't trust in your parents, then what? Maybe because I have such strong ties to my family I have giving this interpretation, but that was awful, I cant even imagine how terrible must be to be in a traumatic situation and the ones you love the most, the ones you trust the most, are there judging you and just letting you behind.

Now, by logic she did have choices, but no orientation whatsoever. Again if you can't trust in your close ones, where you can go?

And I do believe she know she did wrong, if not, she wouldn't be trying to contact Momo at all. I read in a previous comment that it's better for them (and I'm suspecting that is the direction this manga is going) just to have a last word and just let it go. Things are turning (for once) good for both of them, so why don't try to make peace? Momo has a good heart, he would let this woman at least have one chance to say something right. It will show her a lesson, his son is a better human than her.

" If other survivors can come out from even worse situations with even less support and not be that inhumane to others, then she could have too. Her past explains only so much--and the rest is her"

Like I said before, those are exceptional cases. It's not what normally happens, sad but true.

Maybe with the right orientation she could have thought in another options, but from what I read and what is suggesting the plot, she was left alone and worse, it was her fault what happened. For me, she didn't have the chance to have choices. And just to clarify, I'm not justifying her behaviour, I'm just trying to see the things from her perspective.

Money is ugly! That's another thing entirely, but I'm not divorcing one thing from another. She turned into a horrible person, yes, but that was also and from my point of view...expected.

I'm looking forward to see where this is going, I'm not used to Harada's plots and to be honest I've just read two stories from her, this one and Yoru to Asa... no exactly a fan of her and not interested to read more from her but just because a matter of taste (I prefer Ogawa, her stories are more atractive to me) but this one is really interesting and touching in a very weird way.

"Like I said before, those are exceptional cases. It's not what normally happens, sad but true. "

But while, sadly, rape survivors and single parents are common, thankfully, selling your children to pedophiles is not. Momo's mom is the exception--by her own choice. Most rape survivors and single moms have issues and are not perfect--but they never sink to that level of child abuse. When people sell children for sex, it is about money.

The main problem I have with the idea that she had no choice is that it negates the autonomy of rape survivors and single mothers, and relegates them to helpless victims who have no power or free will. It's bad enough that that happens during the rape itself--and single mothers have enough problems to deal with without being considered mindless. The majority of people who face such situations have hard lives--and I do feel for them. But most of them do not become child abusers or sell their children to paedophiles.

It's cool to see things from her perspective, but that doesn't mean we have to buy into her side of the story if you know what I mean.

I am also looking forward to the rest of the story, though.

"The main problem I have with the idea that she had no choice is that it negates the autonomy of rape survivors and single mothers, and relegates them to helpless victims who have no power or free will. It's bad enough that that happens during the rape itself--and single mothers have enough problems to deal with without being considered mindless."

I'm going to stop here for a second, when you say "single mom" are we still talking about a single mom with a child product of a rape? Or just a woman that from whatever happened she resulted in being a single mom? Because hey, being a single mom isn't by any means something to be ashamed or to even being considerate a victim. Actually, most women in these times are evaluating the idea of being single mom (including myself) and mostly because the fact that you don't have a partner doesn't mean that you are less capable of being a mother. But that's another thing entirely and sorry if I went south from your comment.

Well, if we're going to get serious about this, we should considerate to at least make a discrimination of those young women/adult women victim of a rape, resulted pregnant but they're not left behind, not alone and with support. I would say, they have more chances to do right, either if they keep the child or not. Those who are alone, those who are being judged and carring all the weight of guilt... I do believe they're going to fail in everything they try. They're the weakest and emotionally damaged. To be honest, I personally don't know real cases (at least close to me or that I've know from my environment), so maybe I'm talking nonsenses , I'm just giving a word from a frivolous analisys of a manga.

"It's cool to see things from her perspective, but that doesn't mean we have to buy into her side of the story if you know what I mean."

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Yes, I know what you mean, and it's just so good to feel free to think different from others but talk in a civilized way about it, even if you don't agree with the other party (I do agree with the fact that it was child abuse)

I used single parents as a group because many single moms in Japan live in poverty--but they still do a good job (most of them). I know rape survivor single moms have it particularly hard--but they are still more than just victims--they are survivors and they have choices. Maybe you are right and this is all a bit too real world for a fictional story.

In the story, I love Momo, and I want to smack down the fictional character that hurt him. :)

I completely agree with you! That's how I felt. She may have had horrible things done to her and she wasn't treated right, but that doesn't excuse the choices she made. There comes a point we all have to take responsibility for things that happen to us even when they aren't our fault. In the end, she made bad choices and chose to hurt others. You make an excellent point about Momo. He was abused at a much younger age and on top of that didn't even have a mom who loved him. She says she tried to treat him right but she still couldn't and didn't stop herself from seeing Momo as a rapist's child instead of her own child. She didn't move past it and continuously chose to abandon her bad choices. Even in the end she doesn't own up to them. She asks others to understand why she did what she did and wants their pity. But if I read chapter 5 right, the only reason she even met with Momo was to cut ties with him. She just wanted to run away again and put what she had done behind her for her new life.

It is your view, but with total respect, your logic is messed up.

Even though it was REALLY REALLY wrong of her, and that she can't really be forgiven, I feel bad for Momo's mom and you're somewhat right saying that it was her family's fault that she did what she did. She was young and alone, and no one was there to help her for goodness sake!!

Some part of me says that she should have tried harder for Momo if she really wanted to love him, by finding help even though she felt like she couldn't trust anyone anymore- she should've known not everyone is a piece of good-for-nothing-s**t, but that's easier to think when you're not in that person's shoes. :(

She deserves punishment, yes, but it's still sad to know the reason of what happened.

No one has to agree with anyone, but shouldn't we respect (or ignore if you're that easily triggered) with each others opinions? *smh*

Wait, wait, wait, you are saying "she felt lost, didn't know what to do, sold a kid to sex clients, she could have done better, but how can we judge since we aren't in her shoes "
It just surprises me how most of those who have sympathy for the mother are from the US. Now I get it why they say feminazis are doing a bad job. They did a pretty good job into emphasizing the trauma of rape, but it looks like it's only about women,and after that everything is justifiable. Let's not start with the 'child born from rape' it's a child, just a child.
Talking mangas is cool but it's better when people understand what happens, not justify sth that can't be justified. Feeling pity maybe, but going on with she was lost and alone, it's a normal consequence of what happened to her, no..... that's nonsense

Good, I have a fan. Thank you for all your dedication, please keep up with me. Don't forget to add me to your friends list, bye.

"In the story, I love Momo, and I want to smack down the fictional character that hurt him. :) "

Yeah, I know. Momo wakes up in the reader the sense of protect him so I agree . btw nice to talk with you, even we have a different perpectives, it's refreshing to share some words (even in a trivial thing like this site) and trust me when I said that I understand completely your POV. I try to be grey especially when the theme is on the table for discussion smack at you situations that makes you think twice before make a judgement and you know it's going to create controversy. But still you can't avoid some things that are completely unacceptable, just go deeper and try to solve the problem from the root. Everything has a reason, nothing happens only by chance (I don't believe in casualties, yes in causality) so that's why my particular thoughts about this story.

See you!

"Some part of me says that she should have tried harder for Momo if she really wanted to love him, by finding help even though she felt like she couldn't trust anyone anymore- she should've known not everyone is a piece of good-for-nothing-s**t, but that's easier to think when you're not in that person's shoes. :( "

I know exactly what you mean. Look, it would've been a lot easier if Harada didn't bring the mother, or just portray her like the evil creature, witch, bitch, sadist caracther that by chance is like that to create necessary drama and just write a couple of chapters with tension enough to make you distracted from pull a bunch of popcorns on you mouth because you're shouting "DIE SPAWN OF SATAN" but oh no, she actually portray the woman seriously fucked up, emotionally unstable who by realistic reasons (the ones treated in the plot: rape, abandonment, rejection) created a background that at least make some of us just stop for a second and say... Maybe if that wouldn't happened...

One thing is certain, Harada didn't create cheap drama here just for the fun of it. My bowl of popcorns got cold. And taste badly.

Yep, yep. And just because we know that the mother can't be forgiven, doesn't mean we can't feel bad for her- she's not the only one to blame. >:(

Harada likes to mess with people's emotions... I don't know if I love her or hate her. XD

Lol, I don't know how you thought I was part of those feminazis (I don't believe in most of them or feminist anyway), but I'm not agreeing with her actions or justifying them- I'm just saying that I feel bad for what happened and if her family had helped her, then maybe things wouldn't have turned out the way it did.

And I DID say that she needs to be PUNISHED, but you're probably just nitpicking.

I decided to take part in this topic since I have had experience with such situations, but before starting let me tell you that your implications are not only ignorant but an insult.
A distant cousin of mine had an arranged marriage ,after the wedding she lived abroad for some years. When she came back alone, we discovered that her husband was abusive, a drug addict, would work with prostitutes and had threatened to kill her many times, but fortunately she managed to escape. She had a baby that goes to kindergarten now,whom she loves deeply and would do anything to assure him the best,she has 2jobs and is a single mother. Let alone hate him for his father's mistakes, or worse punish him,or let him get raped!

You say that it's a sad reality but most women would act the same way as the character in this manga. Where do you get this crap? Have you ever volunteered to help abused mothers or go for a visit in a ghetto in a 3rd world country? Well,I have. Before leaving my country I volunteered for single,teen mothers. Many of them were raped,thrown out of their home because of the shame buy they never,I repeat NEVER sold their children. Some of them would prostitute themselves so as to send their kids to school. You should try,it makes you understand what a Mother is and why such a figure holds probably the most important,sacred place in society.

I don't consider this manga a source of information nor a depiction of reality,I see this as pure entertainment.Maybe Japanese authors aren't the ones you should look at for such themes since in Japan pedo pornography was legal until 2007 If I'm not mistaken. So if you want to learn something,or analyze such situations at least read a book where professionals give their information.
Saying this character the actions of this characters are to be understood as part of a normal consequences gives me a headache. It is not normal, it's not what usually happens. Considering it normal is an insult to those who had such experiences and worse, is the approval that this kind of child abuse is a normal consequence.

You may like this manga, have your view, feel sorry, but don't make claims that shame victims.

I started to read your comment but when this popped up: "but before starting let me tell you that your implications are not only ignorant but an insult" I stopped and completely lost interest in what you wrote. Probably you have pretty solid points because your comment is long but really, there are ways to express your ideas without being this rude. So, I'm going to ask you kindly, ignore my comment and move on. ¡Gracias y Adiós!

An implication being ignorant means not having knowledge.
English isn't my first language ,but I know the meaning of certain words. And in no way is my comment meant to offend you or anyone, but to give information about a topic that you are ignorant about.
Anyway, it's your choice.

Many people, me included ,tend to talk about situations that we dont know as you rightfully said. I agree that some assumptions made here are offensive to victims.
Thnx for sharing your experience.

Hello? US "feminazi' here--I think you are a bit off target. Many feminists object to child abuse--most in fact. Probably all.

I like the ideale of feminism depsite some people who give it a bad name, as I identify as a humanist. Living in europe ,some years ago they wanted to created a place where pedophilia was legal in the Netherlands. It made my skin crawl and upset me since I didn't see groups opposing it with the same attitude they do with other issues . fortunately, it got declined. There was another case, where a French woman denounced a pedophilia ring where parents would bring their kids, she was one of the children in the ring. Despite the police admitting that she helped them finding the bodies of lost children, she got labelled as a liar and crazy,her case got closed. No group, social worker lifted a finger. It's unfortunate how such a topic is still a taboo. The Japanese are under huge pressure for mangas like this, they want to ban them. It was said to hear a politcian how japan was not fully aware of children's rights. In such cases I don't know whether I should support the mangaka or think that it's time japan banned it.

*it was sad

Guys I think bringing the term "feminazi" in this discussion is particularly wrong and off shot. Already, the concept of feminazi seems ridiculous to me, feminism has principles and standards, it searches for equality and I find it rather hard to relate this with nazi ideals.
Concerning Momo's mother I think she's trying to justify herself but in the end I read it as an explanation, a simple stating of the facts and how shit went down from her point of view. What she did was seriously wrong (and pedophilia and proxenetism are punished by the law) and is in no way justifiable, but it doesn't erase the fact that she was also abused. It's easy to see things in black and white but it won't help resolve any problem in society unless you plan on attempting some kind of purification pure nazi style.....
I don't justify her, but I understand her. Emotions are something hard to handle and control for an adult, imagine a teen completely abandoned having to raise the kid of your rapist, I know lots of you will say I just would give it away and all , but really none of us have been there (I hope we never get to there) and rape is a big trauma: even if the child is innocent the mother is NOT in the right emotional or mental state and seeing as she had no support her choices are poor and sad but not really a surprise. This is shit that happens for real, human beings are not such that entirely function on moral and rational standards, even less at her age for that matter. I find her selfish and honestly speaking I wonder if she ever should have even tried contacting Momo as she's doing it for her own selfish reasons (closure) but even though I reproach that selfishness and terrible doings I understand, because I just can't help but be touched by human misery and suffering and the fact that she inflicted pain doesn't erase the fact that pain got inflicted to her too....it is all just terribly sad and I guess that is what makes this a good work too, it shows life's harshness and its shades of color and makes you reflect on the subject (at least it made me reflect on it)

I'm sorry, for what she did, she should not have a chance to be with that child. That's why there are systems in place to protect children from abusers. She's an abuser. Forget her past, what made her do it.

She abused her child. She supported the rape of her child. You're basically trying to force Momo to give his rapist a chance. Yes, I called her a rapist. Even before she sold her child for sex, she knew he was having sex underage. She knew that men took advantage of her LONELY child. Even before she sold him off, the fact that she knew other men had sex with her underage son, her BOYFRIENDS had sex with her son and she did nothing. She's a rapist. Let's just call her that. You are merely talking as if the only one who faced problems was her. You are talking as if just because she faced it, therefore there was 'nothing else that could have been done' as though having a small boy being raped is 'consequence of society'. As though a mother getting paid for their son to have sex with other men is 'consequence of society.' Please check your thinking. It's disgusting.

He's nice so why not give him the chance to forgive his rapist? I wonder if you would still say the same if I word it this way. She's a rapist. Don't forget that. Don't act as though the worst thing she did was get money of it.

She allowed men to rape her child. SHE raped her child. So go on supporting that rapist.

"It's easy to see things in black and white but it won't help resolve any problem in society unless you plan on attempting some kind of purification pure nazi style..... "

*hands down*

You expressed yourself so well and I'm absolutely agree with your statement. Yes, she has to take responsability for her actions in the past, but, what about what happened to her? Justice will really be done, then? That's for me a good debate.

Thank you for share your thoughts.

That's not it. Noone is saying that momo's mother didn't go through a horrible situation, nothing will erase what she went through that is for sure. But what she did to her son was horrid. Yes she experienced a trauma, but she knew her son was getting raped, she knew he was suffering, she knew what rape is, she was completely aware and she Made that choice. And it continued for years. That's the problem. She wasn't under drugs ,she was aware of everything. That's it,she understood what was going on and continued. She put an innocent child in that situation in which she was perfectly aware of. That's what makes her evil. It's not about seeing things in black and white, we aren't saying she had a happy life, or getting raped was nothing. No, we are saying she committed a crime and put an innocent child through such a horrible life, and she was AWARE of it. That's it. Her experience will never be an excuse for that, because she was perfectly aware and had no remorse,it wasn't just a thing, it went on for many years and she kicked him out. That's what makes her a monster. Instead of crying she said to momo "it's your fault, you are born from hate". That says a lot, she is going on with her life, no help, no apology ,no money,no "please treat him with kindness" to yata,nothing, she calls him "that child" when he is her son. The only thing she deserves is prison.

Completely agree. Thank you for sharing it, like you said there is a reason why the mother holds a sacred place in society. We say there is nothing like the love of a mother.
A child is a child, no matter his mother or father, there is no child of a prostitite,child of a rapist,child of a killer,there are only children. They are the most innocent ones and deserve full protection .

OK guys, I get your point. I tried to put myself in her shoes and I reached this conclusion. Imagine you see your child probably 6 years old, you see him covered in sperm, with his anus bleeding, legs wide open, bruises all over the body, crying and trembling. After seeing it, what kind of person would keep bringing pedophiles to the child. OK, she lost control because she thought she would be happy with that man and the child got in the middle so she lost it. But after seeing him in such conditions, how could she keep doing it? How? I think I would have committed suicide if I ever saw it......and knew it was my fault.

You can always give your opinion or share your thoughts as an viewer of a certain situation, as an outsider, but saying that "trying to be in her shoes" I don't think it's possible to base an point of view objectively because at the end the consequences of your actions are based in rational/logical thoughts in a situation that I hope is not even near to be 1 in a million chances of occurrence. Everyone here is giving an opinion based in a perspective, for me nobody is wrong. Everyone have something to say because it's a very complex situation, but I don't think that anyone here is trying to convince someone or even judge someone (at least not me and the majority here in this post) for giving an opinion. You can agree or not, but it's not my right to chance the thoughts of someone, just to comment and share my POV because it caught my curiosity the plot twist the story had.

Anyway, thanks for share your words! ヾ(☆▽☆)

Yes, but still the image of a child in that situation is shocking......
Anyway, thankfully this is fiction..... But it's really disturbing. I got shivers trying to imagine the scene.
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Completely agree. She is an abuser, one of the worst . For fucks sake, we are talking about a child being gang raped next door and the mother making money out of it....... That's the lowest and most disgusting thing in the world.

Apparently to the OP, it's not the mother's fault but the consequence of society. If you're looking for good arguments for those protecting the mother instead of the child, you won't find them here. I don't think these people know they are supporting the rapist by supporting the mother.

There are many mothers out there with same predicament. The fact is, they know what happened. To say they would prostitute their own child because of it is insulting to them. Please don't support the mother, let's call her what she is, a rapist. People are calling her mother, let's stop that. She's not a mother just because she gave birth to him. She's someone who not only couldn't protect her child but didn't care about her child and basically raped him.

I petition we stop calling this woman a mother.

Then I think, with all due respect that you should read again what I wrote. I think that you're not trying to understand what I'm trying to say because I'm not justifying her actions nor trying to make her look innocent at all. She must take responsibility for how he treated her child, that's a truth. It's unfair that she's the only one who's in fault here?...from my POV yes. The issue it's more complex than to blame one person?...yes. It's useful she paying for her actions?? Depends in how you're seeing it. Maybe for you, yes. For me, I have my issues about it. She's not the only one to blame here. It's more complex than that.

But I'm not really interested in give more words about it because I've said it all. And another thing, everyone has the right to think according to their standards and sense of reality, you should respect that. If you want to call her a rapist , fine, but don't ask to everybody to stop calling her in a way because you don't agree. At least not in my post.
Thank you, have a nice day.

"Momo was the victim of his Mom's family mistake, for how society in general let her down. "

Yes. You did not once say that it was her fault. You kept going back to her family, the society. SO please don't pretend that you blamed the mother even once. You calling her a mother is a FAR more false than calling her a rapist. She enabled Momo's rapist. She was paid for the rape of her child.

She's a rapist. Stop defending rapists. Many other rapist had horrible backgrounds as well, they are STILL rapists. The woman you're defending became the very thing that hurt her. You not even trying to counter my argument shows you have none. Have fun with your denial.

Please don't focus only on the rape of the woman. I hope you don't ever see a child being raped and say 'oh the poor mother.'

And I hope you don't demean the rape of a BOY because Momo's not a female. People like you are the worst. But please have a nice day enabling rapists!

You crossed a line, you're being disrespectful and out of order. Please, stop attacking me and another people who respectfully shared their thoughts in this post. I don't know why you're taking this too far or what your Intentions are, but you're wasting your time and energy here, in a trivial thing. There are countless of injustices in the real world, so I suggest you, go and try to make something useful out there, I can assure you it's more effective.

I can't believe how far this went!! I can't believe you're not allowed to analyze a situation and give another perspective without being attacked or accused!! What the hell??? Where's the democracy and freedom of thought? Seriously!!!!

Adios! Σ( ￣□￣||)

To cross a line and to be disrespectful, I would have to have made an agreement with you on where the line is, to be disrespectful I have to have at least a modicum of respect for you. I have neither for you. People who support rapists/child rapist/men rapist/woman rapist don't deserve my respect. Please don't expect respect from others. They are not under any obligation to give it to you.

'Where's the democracy and freedom of thought?" Where's the democracy and freedom of thought of my opinions on you? Don't ask for freedom of thought if you do not allow people's freedom of thought on their opinions of YOU. I am truly tired of people who think just because they have an opinion, they are free from criticism and backlash.

When you put out your opinion, expect a response, negative or positive. YOU don't get to decide what you get. If you do not want that, then don't bother giving your opinions, it makes you a hypocrite. And please don't talk about how I have so much time to waste. I've seen the time you took to reply to people you BELIEVE you have an argument against.

So I'm not surprised you couldn't and purposely avoided mine. Lol. Give me a good argument, instead of falling back on emotional and freedom of speech which is the backbone of those who have no good arguments aka you. You are no exception. If you support the rapist then you are just as bad. YOU are the society you seem to have such a negative opinion when it concerns Momo's rapist. Have fun being a rape apologist.

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You seem very tired indeed... I suggest, go and take a rest. Breathe, have a laugh, maybe a drink or two if you're over 18 or 21...have a good meal! I don't know, whatever makes you feel nice. HAVE A WALK IN THE NEAREST PARK OF YOUR HOME...hear the birds sing...enjoy the good things the life is offering you, really.

Don't waste your time here lashing your hate, frustrations... whatever, over people you've never seen in your life.

Peace, I know deep down in you, there's a lovely person, maybe. Bye bye!!! ヾ(☆▽☆)

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You seem very tired indeed... I suggest, go and take a rest. Breathe, have a laugh, maybe a drink or two if you're over 18 or 21...have a good meal! I don't know, whatever makes you feel nice. HAVE A WALK IN THE NEAREST PARK OF YOUR HOME...hear the birds sing...enjoy the good things the life is offering you, really.

Don't waste your time here lashing your hate, frustrations... whatever, over people you've never seen in your life.

Peace, I know deep down in you, there's a lovely person, maybe. Bye bye!!! ヾ(☆▽☆)

PS: I posted it wrong! Hahaha! Anyway...it's for you! Bye!

Lol, this is why I don't comment and/or try to avoid reading comments- there are gonna be those who give their opinions and then then people will think something else of it and attack, with the excuse of "I can give my own opinions, and if you can't handle it, don't comment at all!!"

It ain't an opinion anymore if they force their own down your throat... （￣へ￣) (don't waste your time on those kinds of people if they continue like that)

You're absolutely right! I've learned my lesson... Here, for you... (づ￣ ³￣)づヾ(☆▽☆)

Thanks! Hugging makes me feel better (even virtual ones~!!)

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Someone called him "the child of a rapist " that says it all I guess,they know what they are justifying. The idea that some lives matter less is the root of all that is wrong with the world. It's pointless to give arguments, they don't want to change their opinion or rethink about their views, making it pointless to start a topic.

"I know deep down in you, there's a lovely person, maybe. " Thank you :)

I know deep down you know that you have no good arguments. Evident from your lack of argument in your replies. And that you're just in denial. Just because you are trying to dismiss what I said as nonsense without giving any arguments against it. Because like I said, you don't have any. I hope one day you wake up from your idiocy and stubbornness.

And realise you are toxic to rape victims and that you should employ someone to protect them from the likes of you. Just as you have 'advised' me not to waste my time lashing frustration. Because obviously you haven't been wasting time with your arguments that shows you have not put any thought to anything you say. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if this is just how naturally you argue, without thought, logic or sense. Please do change and stop being the idiot that you obviously are.

Please don't waste time supporting rapists and living your life as a rape apologist.

Please also don't join the feminist movement because we do not want nor need females like you who put no thought into arguments and show how selfish and bias women can be to female abusers and rapists who deserves time in prison and how heartless you are to children especially male ones.

Exactly! The fact that they put no blame to the mother and only to 'society' yet the mother is the one who is able to go on with her life, getting married and leaving her child behind. While her child is the one who had their own family pay for their MULTIPLE rape at a young age. I wonder if these children who make such comments are able to see anything but 'mother is rape, mother is victim, therefore mother is never in the wrong.'

Yes, instead they try to focus on emotional arguments that has no relation to the topic at hand. And then support each other childishly. Not realising that they have just showed exactly their immaturity by doing so. It's scary how toxic they are and yet have no realisation of it. I really fear for their children and rape victims they come across with their illogical bias.

Lol, 'force down your throat'. It's hypocrisy not to allow people to say their opinions of you as well. YOU are feeling like people are forcing opinions down your throat just because your brain is too menial to deal with the fact that your opinions have no logic and you are not open to proper discussion. Nobody is holding a gun to your throat to agree with the opinions.

But the fact of the matter is, the replies to people's honest and logical arguments from the OP are ridiculous and only has one thing behind it 'everyone has their opinions'. Yes but just like everyone has and talk about their opinions, to not listen to them and open your mind to what people say, shows that you have no maturity to deal with having an opinion because you can't even back it up or are mature enough to change it when opened to NEW INFORMATION, like an adult would do. To hold steadfastedly with your opinions then making a thread of it without being able to back up your opinions at the same time showing no thought to people's arguments shows that your opinions are uneducated and has no logic and therefore you have NO reason to hold onto this opinions other than being just THAT STUBBORN.

Your arguments have nothing to say but other than 'I feel this way.' Which is great when you're dealing with things like your favourite food and the type of pets you prefer but NOT when it's something as grievous as rape. Your opinion can no longer be just harmless feelings, when it is not backed by logic it becomes HARMFUL.

But I'm not surprised you feel that way. By your logic, just you saying that people should have their own opinions without others giving theirs is the same as forcing your opinions down people's throat. YOUR definition, not mine. So please stop trying to force your opinion that 'everyone should have an opinion without being responded to with negative feedback' down people's throats, thank you.

I'll just say this to clear up any misunderstandings:

YES, the mother/monster DESERVES PUNISHMENT, but because of that backstory, I feel sad for how things turned out. I AM NOT justifying or excusing her of what she let happen to Momo- and because of that I hate her and would NEVER FORGIVE HER, but I also hate how people aren't attacking the ones who made her like that.

Now, I would NEVER BELIEVE FICTION IS SAME AS REALITY. I'm not like those kinds of people who blurs that line.

I understand that everyone has their own opinions, I get that and I respect that- to each their own- but I just don't like how people are attacking each other, calling names that can actually hurt them.

Okay, that's enough ranting from me, lol.

TL;DR: Let's all just chillax and pray that in the next updates, we get to see Momo happy~ (=・ω・=)

I'm officially your fan! More hugs!! ╮(￣▽￣)╭
The most important thing to remark in your comment is that...THIS IS FICTION. PURELY FICTION. Sadly, truly sadly this is not... http://m.koat.com/news/new-disturbing-details-revealed-in-victoria-martens-case/41662498

I don't know how USA legal/social system works, I'm not from there. I'm latin, but it seems that the law in prision are the same either here or in USA. We know what happens to a prisoner when he/she is charged and punished for murder/rape a child. They know what she/he deserves.

Just to clarify why I brought this new to this trivial site... 1) reality surpass fiction BY MILES!, 2) For those who took my comments and others seriously enough to make judgments and call us by names ... If either of you are from USA, you have plenty of serious and real reasons to fight, I hope you can do something about it, 3) Nothing more to say, generally things are listed or counted to three ╮(￣▽￣)╭

One last thing, I really want to know how Harada will resolve this... All we care is Momo's happiness (I don't care how, just him happy)

I hope you didn't brought up this case to show that "in reality such things happen and reality can surpass fantasy " evil people do exist , children being abused and sold out by their parents is a shame on our society and a mark on how wicked and evil human nature can be. That case you brought up should have convinced you that there are no justifications and such acts MUST be condemned in the real world and in fiction as well, because they do happen and it's a fight where our voices can help. Such actions aren't the norm, they aren't a consequence of society but a consequence of evil people, purely evil people that do exist. Many users here have invited you to look at different cases, someone brought up a case in France https://www.sott.net/article/244071-Something-rotten-in-France-Trial-of-70-parents-caught-prostituting-and-raping-their-own-children-in-Idyllic-Angers
This things alone should have you convinced that there should be no support, even if it is a fiction world. I pointed out a manga by Harada, Nii chan, where the child is abused by the brother and he wants to go back to him because he liked it so much being touched by him and he shouldn't have been afraid of penetration. There are many authors ,especially in Japan where shotacon and loli are a problem, they tend to exploit such events and create mangas where a child's body is used as a sexual toy,and Japan is suffering immensely from pedophilia. You may like the author, the art, but distinguish reality from fiction. The entertainment industry has a powerful control over the people, you and many others trying to understand the actions of the mother are the proof of the industry power and influence.

" If either of you are from USA, you have plenty of serious and real reasons to fight, I hope you can do something about it, "
fighting means many things, fighting also means being against abuse and not tolerating any support of the abuser. It may seem like it's nothing serious, but a strong voice is really important to raise awareness and in such cases there is no compromise.

You pointed out the brutality of prisons ,tell me what should be done against those people? When they destroy lives and have no guilt, what should be done? When a person goes out killing innocent people in a shooting spree ,or people who sell organs, or those who prostitute other people,and many other things. Being in prison means being punished and the punishment is different depending on the crime. People have a choice and when they destroy someone else's life they will face a punishment. The justice system isn't perfect because there may be innocent people condemned for a crime they didn't commit ,there is no perfection, but a crime such as pedophilia and abuse at such levels of a child deserves severe punishment, so that those who have the desire to commit such crimes will think twice before doing it. And even if this doesn't stop them, it's a clear sign for those being abused that SOCIETY fully condemns what happened to them, that what has been done to them isn't acceptable and that they can call for help because what has been done to them won't be tolerated. If you think prison is dangerous, what about the lives that have been destroyed by such criminals ? They will never have a normal life again, their suffering is way worse than the criminal's suffering in prison, and think that the criminal did it while being fully aware and felt NOTHING. Human nature is complicated, but there are people out there who truly have nothing human.
I invite you to look at this video, no remorse, no guilt, nothing.
https://youtu.be/F7SYdi36D3g

Ok, I read every single word of your comment, and I can't resist not comment at all, there are a lot of things you're saying that deserves a feedback because you're right but also you let room for me to disagree at some points. Also, reviewing the early comments on my original post (I didn't expect such response, really) yes, that link about that story in France was brought it before, sorry I missed it.

Let me say first...you don't have to worry about what I must be convinced. I'm perfectly aware of what I'm saying and why I'm saying it. I don't need be convinced about anything because I do have my reasons of why I'm giving another perspective of the story. You're the one saying I'm supporting the woman who gave birth to Momo and I'm not doing it at all. I feel sorry for her because of her past and please, in this particular case for once, relating to the story and because of the background about her past Harada is doing, is from my POV unfair that she's the only one being guilty here. Yes, she's guilty for what she did to Momo when he was a child, yes, she must take responsability for what she did and for let those horrible things happens to Momo when he was a child. No, it's not fair because she was a rape victim when she was a minor and she was left alone and nobody is taking responsability for what happened to her. REGARDING WITH THE STORY, maybe if the rape act on her didn't happen, things probably would turned out different. End of it.

Probably you will say...but those woman on France, those who gave birth to those childs that are victim of rape, are saying that they were victims of abuse when they were minors. FUCK OFF!! You got busted, therefore there's no excuse for what you did. You were perfectly aware of what you were doing, in fact, there's a bunch of people perfectly aware of what they were doing. This was a very organized criminal group, sponsored by people with the money and power to let them function. What it's more disturbing is this: "How could such horrors have gone undetected for so long? Twenty-one of the 23 families implicated were under the supervision of social workers, who paid frequent visits to their homes, offering advice on employment and finances. One teacher dropped by some of the children's homes regularly as part of France's "educational assistance" services for students needing remedial help. Three of the accused men had been convicted previously of pedophilia, including Marine V.'s grandfather, who in 1991 was sentenced to 13 years for raping his son."

I'm free to think whatever I want... money is ugly... social workers are generally underpaid, corruption is everywhere. Like you say before, "The justice system isn't perfect because there may be innocent people condemned for a crime they didn't commit , there is no perfection" no, sadly there's no perfection, starting with the fact that those who created the system justice, are human after all. That's all I'm going to say about it.

"You pointed out the brutality of prisons , tell me what should be done against those people?" Exactly what other prisoners normally do on those people. In fact, from where I am, when the community catch a child molester, a rapist of children, a rapist of women... they don't let justice come in the formal way...oh no. It's morally right? It's wrong? When you know that justice in the formal way probably will fail to punish in the way the criminal deserves... oh well, that's when I echoed your words "it's a clear sign for those being abused that SOCIETY fully condemns what happened to them" oh it do. And generally it's brutal. Like criminals normally are. I just step aside and let others to discuss if it's right or wrong. I'll simply say... there's such a thing called karma.

"fighting means many things, fighting also means being against abuse and not tolerating any support of the abuser. It may seem like it's nothing serious, but a strong voice is really important to raise awareness and in such cases there is no compromise." I'm going to quote a couple of comments someone made in the news about the case I brought:

"Look at all of you. Posting comments on here like it matters. When will you all believe me when I say this is the new norm? How many unreported cases of abuse are there in one year? How many do get reported and THEN you here about it on the news. Just ask yourself how many cases don't make It to the news or police?"

"I would go one step more and say, if this really truly made people angry, why don't more of them step up, get involved and make a better safer system? Seems that people expect CYFD to solve all of the problems, yet those same people are unwilling to get involved and help children they see in danger, or foster children that CYFD already has in its overloaded system. Don't complain if you aren't willing to actually step up and make a difference."

People commenting about a real life case.

Extract for the news related to the France case:

"The brute violence and numbing banality of the crimes has jolted even seasoned lawyers and child advocates. "Their children were just a way of supplementing their income a little," says Yves Crespin, attorney for l'Enfant Bleu, a child-protection association in Bagnolet. "Parents and their friends were smoking cigarettes in the next room while men raped their children and the children were crying," says Alain Fouquet, lawyer for 11 of the allegedly assaulted children. "It was like a bridge party, or teatime. It's monstrous."

"Officials from the regional council that oversees Angers' social services told Time that they had sounded the first alarm about possible sexual assault two years before police rolled up the prostitution network. At the beginning of 2000, at least one social worker alerted law-enforcement officials that some of the children might have been sexually abused, says Dominique Le Clerc, deputy director of social services for the Angers-based Maine and Loire council. Two more warnings came in 2001, when a girlfriend of one of the accused told social workers about the sexual abuse - more than a year before the man was questioned by police. Says Le Clerc: "We had suspicions, but the proof wasn't strong enough for them to intervene."

"We had suspicions, but the proof wasn't strong enough for them to intervene."

"We had suspicions, but the proof wasn't strong enough for them to intervene."

"When Time visited the building recently, neighbors brushed aside questions, some closing their doors without a word. On the door of Franck V.'s old apartment, the current tenants have pasted a handwritten notice reading: "Ssh! Baby asleep, don't ring the bell." The community still seems unable to express its unease. "Everyone is horrified yet no one knows how to speak about it," says Saint Léonard's Roman Catholic priest, Father Charles de Bodman."

It's not my problem, I'm not going to get involved...

To finish this..."The entertainment industry has a powerful control over the people, you and many others trying to understand the actions of the mother are the proof of the industry power and influence."

I do know what's reality and what's fiction. I do know how much damage can do the "mass media" I do know how much they can manipulate you to the point to make you believe that there's one and only one way of "perfect living". I do know how it can make you a prisoner of "standards" and make you live for reaching those as your goals in life. And make you numb about real and tangible things. So, don't worry about that. I know what it's real and what it's not.

"I hope you didn't brought up this case to show that "in reality such things happen and reality can surpass fantasy " evil people do exist , children being abused and sold out by their parents is a shame on our society and a mark on how wicked and evil human nature can be."

I said before that I believe in causality not in casuality. It's more easy to deal, for me, with the fact that a person is evil because it has a problem, not necessarily because it's its nature. But, seeing the case I brought, how that woman are not showing any sign of regret, the man in the video you brought...maybe you're right. Evil people do exist for the sake of being evil only. That's something scary.

" I pointed out a manga by Harada, Nii chan, where the child is abused by the brother and he wants to go back to him because he liked it so much being touched by him and he shouldn't have been afraid of penetration."

*deep breath*

That manga seriously pissed me off. And after seeing the video you linked...it pissed me off even more. I made a comment about it... http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/1368950/

Maybe Harada saw that video...

It's true that there must be action against these groups that exploit others but if there's no voice, if it remains only a taboo then nothing will change ,just like in Japan where some people fight against such things and others stay in silence(why are such mangas like loli and shota allowed in Japan while in the west the backlash would be terrible),like what happened in France, the case was easily forgotten. Public support is very important, look at the US and the feminist organization with powerful voices who have the support of the people,or better look at how the feminist movement started, voices are important. The problem is that children don't have the same power and they can be exploited easily because of money.

About Harada, in Nii Chan the character thought that his brother may not like him anymore because he was attracted to his young body. In this manga the same thing happens to Momo, when the mother becomes jealous because her boyfriends prefer the child.It's disturbing and I seriously believe the author has problems.

And to conclude, the man who raped her deserves prison,and she deserves prison for what she did to Momo. Doesn't matter what happened to them, the woman being raped or the man being abused during his childhood, he ruined the life of a woman, she ruined the life of a child. Both have to face the consequences of such actions. I understand feeling sorry for their suffering,but there is no justification.

Anyway, I am glad you don't support them in real life, that's what matters. Trying to understand their mentality would be impossible for normal people because we can't comprehend the mind of criminals ,they don't have our morals nor our compassion.
That's it, bye.

Just to clarify, Niichan is not really a brother of the MC. He's a neighbor. He's not related by blood to the boy, not that it would make any difference...well, probably it would be sicker that way.

I said before, I usually don't read Harada, mainly because it not fits my tastes (I prefer Ogawa if we're talking about psychological manipulation of a character on another). Yatamomo got my attention for the cover (I found it funny) and I think that it's a good manga because the way she's making the plot flow. About Niichan, I'm not exactly sure of what to think. I did say that maybe she's using yaoi to portrait the ugly side of society (like the news we talked about it and someone before pointed out that in a interview Harada said that she normally takes what she sees in reality as an inspiration...we see that she got plenty of material to feel "inspired"...sadly). I'm very curious in how she's going to develop "Niichan" because, I don't think there's a way to sugarcoat that plot. It'll be a very sick/twisted kind of "love", maybe a way to say "there's one hundred ways to love and this one"

If you're asking me, I would prefer see Niichan disappear. And I have no idea how she's going to end that.

I do agree with you about the public support. I would also hope that someday a movement or groups like those you mentioned can be the voice of those abused children. They're the truly innocents and they need our protection.

It was good to exchange words with you, you were very respectful and that was the main reason why I decided to share my thoughts with you. And I wouldn't mind to do that again ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Bye!!

Yes, for us he was just a child, but maybe all she could see was the child of the guy who raped her. Not saying her actions were right though!

Thank you. I've read and heard stories from women who had the children of their rapists and loved those babies and considered their kids BLESSINGS.

A woman who abuses a rapist's child is worse than the rapist, because that child is part of her DNAl, her body, too, and it's fully innocent. THe rapist is guilty; the child is not. ABusing a child--anyone's child, a murderer's child, a rapist's, anyone's--is evil. End of story. Period. To have a child prostituted, gang-raped, kept naked in a closet like some trash to hide away--that shows you she is evil and nothing excuses it. NOTHING.

Let's be very clear here according to the STORY: She was warm and loving to the child UNTIL jealousy took hold of her. It had nothing to do with a child of the rapist. It was that the boyfriend liked diddling the kid and she got JEALOUS and Momo's immature, childish taunt burned in her.

This was about jealousy and retribution. Not about the rapist.

If it was about the rapist, she'd have hated him from birth, but she was kind to him for years AT FIRST.

The catalyst was JEALOUSY, not rape.