Raven19's Topics (42)

As a single, adult man, Adam is entitled to do with his body whatever he wishes, even if it is sleeping around. We might agree or not with his behavior according to our own morals, but as he was rejected by the person he loves, not even he has the right to say anything.

I actually think Adam isn't immature with this decision. It's very clear; the man he likes rejects him, so he goes back to his old ways.

If he persisted and courted Joel despite his reluctance and resistance, people will cry rape. And if he gives up, he's immature?

Poor Adam, can't please all the audiences' demands.

I agree. Since he was told there is no chance, he is free to do whatever he wishes, and it’s obvious he would distance himself to protect his own feelings. I don’t see why he’s immature.

(I don't know how to reply to all of you so I'm doing it here) You are all right if sleeping around was all he was doing. However, he is also ignoring him and treating him coldly for it. Is that not something one would do for a guilt trip? Or do you truly believe he gave up on Montague? If he did, ok, not the best, but understandable. But if he didn't, this is manipulation (a damning example would be the Queen flirting in Montague's office).

Did I do this right?

But isn't that what it means to be the "guardian" or escort of lord Montague if he's being "cold" as you say? He was originally hired to be lord Montague's guard/escort so I would assume it's natural to be cold-like to your client if the only relation you have is that of client-guard.

I can guarantee you that I would not be warm and close with someone who rejected me.

I agree with this. Why is it manipulation if Adam acted cold towards Joel? If I got rejected by someone, you won't see me acting nice to them. How can I move on if I keep talking or keep in contact with the person I like? Adam needs his space. That's why he's trying to busy himself with debauchery.

And so what if he is purposefully being cold to Joel? If Joel doesn't harbor any feelings, then it won't really affect Joel. If Joel does get affected, then let Joel mull over his feelings so he can sort himself out and come to a mutual conclusion with Adam.

You probably want Adam to keep on pining over Joel, but that's not a mature behavior.

They're saying that IF Adam is still into Montague and is pulling away/sleeping around on purpose to manipulate Montague into getting jealous/looking his way, it's manipulative. They also said that if he's actually just heartbroken and trying to actually give up, then it's fine. Read @Raven19's last response properly. They're saying that IF his current behavior is intentional in an effort to make Montague feel bad and get jealous, it's just not very great of him. Yes, being manipulative isn't a great characteristic.

on the other hand, if Joel does get jealous, doesn't that mean that he is actually unaware of his feelings for Adam? That of which, Adam would definitely find out if Joel does react. And I think if Adam's actions are to find out Joel's feelings (because he was outright verbally rejected), then I think it's fine. To be fair to Adam, he hasn't slept with anyone yet after the rejection.

I believe the implication was that he just slept with the queen, this is shounen ai so the sex scenes aren't really shown. They had a guard standing outside and everything. I agree that in love, a little manipulation can be necessary, though you don't want to base your relationship on manipulation. I agree with what others have said here, he should've continued to court him rather than play the pull method and sleep around to make him jealous.

no, he didn't sleep with the queen -that I'm quite sure of. If she did, why is she straddling him after the deed while they were fully clothed? Hair properly styled and done after sex? And the queen did say, that the guard wasn't very effective, meaning they didn't get to consummate the act before someone came and found them. And even if this is a yaoi manga, the mangaka has already shown women in bed with Adam, the mangaka isn't shy about drawing it -it just didn't happen.

Again, how can you continue to court someone who outright told you no? Adam said, he respects Joel's wishes and went back to his normal ways. I think that's very mature of him. And quite honestly, if you outright said no to someone courting you and wished he still courted you, isn't that selfish? and actually manipulative?

It means you want to cocktease someone, have the attention of someone pining over you but not give them an answer.

I don't agree at all that they didn't have sex, the implications are pretty clear. You can simply look at Adam's dialogue after to see he doesn't deny it and literally asks Montague what he expected him to do when he'd been denying her, but she was so persistent. You base your belief that they didn't have sex on her saying that the guard didn't serve well, but that isn't a solid evidence of what you're saying. I think the idea is that they finished and were about to leave, she was sitting on his lap because she's been flirty with him since the story introduced her. She literally invited him to have sex before, her sitting on his lap isn't weird. She said the guard didn't serve well because she was walked in on sitting on his lap. He literally didn't serve well, they were walked in on. She means it literally. The mangaka has drawn very vague scenes with very little nudity, the last sex scene between the prince and Gin literally only showed the prince wake up naked with Gin there. The "sex scenes" are implied, not direct. It didn't even show the princes's penis in that scene, it showed him standing up in a robe with some pubes exposed and a shadow over his crotch. Again, you're reading shounen ai.

As far as "how he should've courted him", the same way he did the rest of the story? I don't think "being selfish" is even a factor here when that's kinda been his motif this entire time. Hell, this isn't even his 1st time being rejected, Montague has rejected him multiple times. The entirety of their interactions have been Adam ignoring Montague's resistance and wearing him down, do you remember Montague sending him to an island prison? Adam comments himself that Montague "softens" towards him a few times, i.e. Montague was originally worse.

Thank you.

I'm not saying one is worse then the other. That I cannot judge myself. I think this has gotten into very deep analysis, which I find very interesting. I do not know if the queen and Adam had sex or not, to me that is not the important part. They were flirting/having sex in Montague's office, so I believe Adam wanted to get caught by him.
Additionally, I also believe that Montague asked Adam for his friendship and Adam said no to him, as he wanted more. Can I really blame Montague for feeling lonely after that? I don't. From what I understood of Adam's character, his actions feel like manipulation to me, and I personally don't like it. If, though, I'm proven wrong by later chapters, I will change prospective immediately.

Was that Joel's office? I thought they were visiting the high priest?

To me, to be quite frank, I don't really care if Adam was being manipulative or not. The manga is still holding my interest so I will read it.

the implications are not clear. if it was clear, we wouldn't even have this discussion. either way, believe what you believe. we can go on and on here discussing who fucked who, or who didn't get fucked, it's not gonna matter in the end, we all want Adam x Joel in the end anyway.

I'm done with this topic.

The implications are clear, your interpretation is definitely in the minority BECAUSE the implications really are clear. What's happening is that you're arguing a possibility with less likelihood. Yes, it's a possibility, but simply reading through the story will show you that she's been propositioning him since the story introduced her, the sex scenes are very vague with the minimum amount of nudity shown (even in the scene with those women in bed with Adam there are shadows over their bodies and no nipples shown...) and he literally asks Joel what he wanted him to do when he'd been denying her but she was so persistent... They had a guard... Take the hint.

Man, you really can't stand being disagreed with without being passive aggressive, and now, leaving in a huff. "i'm done with this topic". Lol.

"this is my office?"-thi http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/barbarities/mf/v01/c007/40/

More suggestive like Shoujo-ai.
But Mai-chan seems to have unrequited feelings for the dense
fencing freak Kanami-chan..!