2020-12-04 15:05 marked
2020-12-02 20:22 marked
I still don't understand Isis. She says "You gave your body to Osiris so why can't I?" Well it's a big freaking difference between being threatened to have your son killed if you don't let him do what he wants, which classifies as RAPE, and to willingly seek him out, resurrect him and have sex with him order to have a son and achieve your goal of revenge! The way she's wording it sounds like she's shaming him. VICTIM BLAMING! ヽ(`Д´)ノ
She's talking about taking her revenge on Seth, "You and me will both never get what we want. And the more we'll crave the more we'll lose. How does it feel to have ended our era of rule with your own two hand?" Is she's seriously saying all this, about cursing him not not to have a family, while smugly smiling? And blaming him for ending their era of rule when she's the one doing it? ヽ(`Д´)ノ
"If you truly thought of me as your companion you wouldn't have given my husband your body. Instead you would've come straight to me and asked for help." Well he was chained up in thorny vines and his son's life was threatened. When exactly was he supposed to ask for your help?? And if she meant before he went to Osiris, it's not like knew he was going to be raped. VICTIM BLAMING! ヽ(`Д´)ノ
Ans she's angry she didn't tell her anything. Well sometimes rape victims find it very hard to talk about! How SHE on the other hand didn't come forward and help him even though she knew is UNFATHOMABLE! VICTIM BLAMING! ヽ(`Д´)ノ
Seriously, while I can sympathise with what she has been going through, this whole chapter was basically her blaming Seth for being raped. ヽ(`Д´)ノ
She's talking about taking her revenge on Seth, "You and me will both never get what we want. And the more we'll crave the more we'll lose. How does it feel to have ended our era of rule with your own two hand?" Is she's seriously saying all this, about cursing him not not to have a family, while smugly smiling? And blaming him for ending their era of rule when she's the one doing it? ヽ(`Д´)ノ
"If you truly thought of me as your companion you wouldn't have given my husband your body. Instead you would've come straight to me and asked for help." Well he was chained up in thorny vines and his son's life was threatened. When exactly was he supposed to ask for your help?? And if she meant before he went to Osiris, it's not like knew he was going to be raped. VICTIM BLAMING! ヽ(`Д´)ノ
Ans she's angry she didn't tell her anything. Well sometimes rape victims find it very hard to talk about! How SHE on the other hand didn't come forward and help him even though she knew is UNFATHOMABLE! VICTIM BLAMING! ヽ(`Д´)ノ
Seriously, while I can sympathise with what she has been going through, this whole chapter was basically her blaming Seth for being raped. ヽ(`Д´)ノ
2020-11-30 20:50 marked
...sorta spoiler?
Sekhmet confirming that Isis wants to drown Egypt in water further cements my theory that the Greek god that came is Poseidon. If water is sand's weakness and she went out of her way to call the most popular (and probably strongest) known water god, then it all adds up. Plus he came on a ship with a few sea creatures as subordinates and we know Poseidon likes battling with his children. And his flirty attitude combined with his appearance has got me all sus...
Sekhmet confirming that Isis wants to drown Egypt in water further cements my theory that the Greek god that came is Poseidon. If water is sand's weakness and she went out of her way to call the most popular (and probably strongest) known water god, then it all adds up. Plus he came on a ship with a few sea creatures as subordinates and we know Poseidon likes battling with his children. And his flirty attitude combined with his appearance has got me all sus...
2020-11-30 20:47 marked
Let's all calm down.
He Tian and Mo Guan Shan relationship is not to be viewed as real life portrait. In real life 15 year old don't live alone, they don't beat up a pack of grown up men and they most certainly are educated enough to know about sexual harassment.
He Tian in real life would be reported to authorities or deemed an early sexual offender. In my country a 15 year old behaving like He Tian would have raised flags and a victim like Mo Guan Shan would probably not fall in love with someone who beats him up to force him to do his cooking or stay with him. The only reason this is a ship is because the author writes Mo submissive to He Tian to fit the dominant seme trope.
If there are minors in here who can't tell that what He Tian does is inappropriate and inexcusable unless he was a mentally challenged 15 year old who never learned about right from wrong, please go educate yourself.
He Tian and Mo Guan Shan relationship is not to be viewed as real life portrait. In real life 15 year old don't live alone, they don't beat up a pack of grown up men and they most certainly are educated enough to know about sexual harassment.
He Tian in real life would be reported to authorities or deemed an early sexual offender. In my country a 15 year old behaving like He Tian would have raised flags and a victim like Mo Guan Shan would probably not fall in love with someone who beats him up to force him to do his cooking or stay with him. The only reason this is a ship is because the author writes Mo submissive to He Tian to fit the dominant seme trope.
If there are minors in here who can't tell that what He Tian does is inappropriate and inexcusable unless he was a mentally challenged 15 year old who never learned about right from wrong, please go educate yourself.
2020-11-28 21:05 marked
Wow. It's so rare to see the point of sexual harassment in Tianshan being discussed in 19 Days.
It always amuse me that there are always the crowd who hang around Yaoi rape plot tropes screaming about 'romanticizing abuse' is wrong but they never aim their outrage in stories that are NOT 18+ like Shounen Ai which, in my opinion, are the only ones where the discussion would be valid.
To be clear, I abhor people who shame shippers in Yaoi rape plots because these are stories for adults. When people reading these stories ship 'wrong' non normative couples, the understanding is that they are adults and all the implications of it.
In my opinion, there are two types of readers who read 19 Days : adults who know very well this falls into the trope of abuse relationship, non consensual that in real life is not appropriate or excusable. It doesn't need to have rape to classify a story as a trope between a dominant seme sexually abuse and harass or bully the use until he relents and falls in love. It's the trope of such stories. These readers would never engage in a discussion where they explain He Tian behavior in terms of real life acceptable or this relationship as love. The author herself makes clear the kink and the trope. Mo Guan Shan is marked with He Tian ( he has branded his name, he wears a jewelry of ownership, he even walks around in a leash in one of the official arts. It's clearly an adult owner/pet master/servant undertone.)
The other readers are young teenagers, this is shonen ai and despite what some posters in here want to imply after the backslash, this makes this story geared and consumed mostly by young teenagers. Reading the comments, you do have the impression that many readers of this think that because they don't see a more clear sexual crime ( like rape) than this does not fall into the trope. Wrong. Rape is just the most overt form of it. Everything He Tian ever did to Mo whenever he said no was already sexual harassment in real life standard. Never mind the other things. To readers trying to say this is for adults, wrong again. The door is open like Yaoi mature wouldn't be and the fact that even the adults in the room try to put down the discussion about this being the actual situation where sexual abuse gets normalized by fiction ( that is not aimed at adults and therefore reach people who can be easily convinced or lead on) is alarming.
My point is not for the adults who know what they are reading. My point is mostly for the crowd who flock adult Yaoi rape plots ( the most popular now being POTN) lecturing about those stories normalizing non consensual relationship and then in the same breath stay silent or even defend Shounen Ai stories who have the same trope. I ask you that anyone reply with honesty: what is more harmful?
I tell you: no one ever will start thinking rape is normal after reading a Yaoi rape plot. For one, because the crime is obvious and the audience is mature. On the other hand, you can tell the effect of what 'normalizing' means by reading the audience of 19 Days young people explaining with all effort why the relationship He Tian and Mo Guan Shan is not sexual harassment or why it's excusable, etc.
It's all about the age of the audience and how they respond to it.
For all people out there who rage against 'normalize abuse', leave the ADULT YAOI RAPE PLOT' alone and park your van in here if you have the balls. If there are any normalization of things, it's not the explicit abuse and the adult audience who is your goal. It's the implicit, blurred, implied-but-never-consumed, 'soft' sexual abuse that gets eat up by the pre teens and teens who are the largest audience of 19 Days.
It always amuse me that there are always the crowd who hang around Yaoi rape plot tropes screaming about 'romanticizing abuse' is wrong but they never aim their outrage in stories that are NOT 18+ like Shounen Ai which, in my opinion, are the only ones where the discussion would be valid.
To be clear, I abhor people who shame shippers in Yaoi rape plots because these are stories for adults. When people reading these stories ship 'wrong' non normative couples, the understanding is that they are adults and all the implications of it.
In my opinion, there are two types of readers who read 19 Days : adults who know very well this falls into the trope of abuse relationship, non consensual that in real life is not appropriate or excusable. It doesn't need to have rape to classify a story as a trope between a dominant seme sexually abuse and harass or bully the use until he relents and falls in love. It's the trope of such stories. These readers would never engage in a discussion where they explain He Tian behavior in terms of real life acceptable or this relationship as love. The author herself makes clear the kink and the trope. Mo Guan Shan is marked with He Tian ( he has branded his name, he wears a jewelry of ownership, he even walks around in a leash in one of the official arts. It's clearly an adult owner/pet master/servant undertone.)
The other readers are young teenagers, this is shonen ai and despite what some posters in here want to imply after the backslash, this makes this story geared and consumed mostly by young teenagers. Reading the comments, you do have the impression that many readers of this think that because they don't see a more clear sexual crime ( like rape) than this does not fall into the trope. Wrong. Rape is just the most overt form of it. Everything He Tian ever did to Mo whenever he said no was already sexual harassment in real life standard. Never mind the other things. To readers trying to say this is for adults, wrong again. The door is open like Yaoi mature wouldn't be and the fact that even the adults in the room try to put down the discussion about this being the actual situation where sexual abuse gets normalized by fiction ( that is not aimed at adults and therefore reach people who can be easily convinced or lead on) is alarming.
My point is not for the adults who know what they are reading. My point is mostly for the crowd who flock adult Yaoi rape plots ( the most popular now being POTN) lecturing about those stories normalizing non consensual relationship and then in the same breath stay silent or even defend Shounen Ai stories who have the same trope. I ask you that anyone reply with honesty: what is more harmful?
I tell you: no one ever will start thinking rape is normal after reading a Yaoi rape plot. For one, because the crime is obvious and the audience is mature. On the other hand, you can tell the effect of what 'normalizing' means by reading the audience of 19 Days young people explaining with all effort why the relationship He Tian and Mo Guan Shan is not sexual harassment or why it's excusable, etc.
It's all about the age of the audience and how they respond to it.
For all people out there who rage against 'normalize abuse', leave the ADULT YAOI RAPE PLOT' alone and park your van in here if you have the balls. If there are any normalization of things, it's not the explicit abuse and the adult audience who is your goal. It's the implicit, blurred, implied-but-never-consumed, 'soft' sexual abuse that gets eat up by the pre teens and teens who are the largest audience of 19 Days.
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2020-11-25 16:33 marked
I would love to see more character and relationship development from He tian and lil Mo cause I feel like there's muchh much more feelings to explore and expose lol, let's just put the sexual tension aside for a min, I need more conversations between these two, more unexpected situations, need to see how they will behave and shit.. I'm saying this because I love these two so much and I'm afraid they ll be stuck in this "He tian forcing tsundere Mo into this or that" for too long.. Yes It's funny yes it's a very yaoi thing, but isn't it time to move on and show more than that?
2020-11-25 16:33 marked
idk, but if i try to look at it from he tian's perspective and from their past interactions, he tian probably believes mo's tolerance is higher, and that reacting physically by punching or anything is not really him "hating" it, but it's him "hesitating" and that he can push him a little bit more. this is just a theory and it really is just my opinion, but he probably believes that it's when little mo is truly disgusted--such as when mo cried when he tian forced a kiss on him before, a time when he tian realized he was wrong and started going slow(in his definition lmao)--that's when he believes mo truly hates it and that he has to stop, or else it'll be irrepairable.
plus, the boys being physical are actually quite natural in this manhua, it's just that we redefined mo's reaction based on the context of the situation, and we perceive it as mo truly hating it and he tian crossing the line.
another thing, he tian's always been a really pushy and possessive character right from the start. if you're surprised of that fact, then are you really reading properly lmao
plus, the boys being physical are actually quite natural in this manhua, it's just that we redefined mo's reaction based on the context of the situation, and we perceive it as mo truly hating it and he tian crossing the line.
another thing, he tian's always been a really pushy and possessive character right from the start. if you're surprised of that fact, then are you really reading properly lmao
2020-11-25 16:30 marked
He tianers or whatever he tian's fandom name is, stop defending him. You should just aknowledge that he's wrong. One more thing: stop saying that they should fuck. Stop. It's so annoying and you guys just ignore the fact that they're both MINORS. They aren't even 16 yet (please, if you're 16 don't have sex. If you'll just ignore my warning then at least do it with protection. You don't want to be 16 and pregnant, right?). So please stop bc is disgusting
2020-11-22 21:25 marked
2020-11-22 21:23 marked
Little Mo’s life is already fucked up & he doesn’t need He Tian sexual harassment ( forced skinship) or threatening him to make it worse.
If He Tian want to show his love and affection for Mo, he should be more gentle with him and STOP when little Mo tell him to stop, stop forcing little Mo to do things that are clearly out of his comfort zone and STOP FORCING SKIN-SHIP on the poor dude.
That ain’t hot nor funny anymore, that’s just harassment at this point
Bitch is clearly crossing the line and you He Tian fan NEED TO STOP thinking every He Tian do is hot (because this ain’t hot ) & Start caring more about little Mo’s COMFORT and NOT WHEN THEY’RE GONNA HAVE SEX
If He Tian want to show his love and affection for Mo, he should be more gentle with him and STOP when little Mo tell him to stop, stop forcing little Mo to do things that are clearly out of his comfort zone and STOP FORCING SKIN-SHIP on the poor dude.
That ain’t hot nor funny anymore, that’s just harassment at this point
Bitch is clearly crossing the line and you He Tian fan NEED TO STOP thinking every He Tian do is hot (because this ain’t hot ) & Start caring more about little Mo’s COMFORT and NOT WHEN THEY’RE GONNA HAVE SEX
2020-11-22 21:22 marked
2020-11-22 21:20 marked
he tian's getting more and more aggressive tho. I remember jian yi was the same before until he and zheng xi had some mutual understanding of their feelings towards each other. Maybe he tian just needs some kind of assurance too, that he's somewhat important to mo bc he cares a lot for him and wants him to depend on him, but mo's just too tough to crack lmao
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2020-11-16 21:18 marked
there is no more depression. only tianshan. i feel cured, the sun is shinin...