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Hey try to re-read the chapter 3 again and you gonna understand it, and if you can understand it when u done re-reading it I don't know anymore because I put some name in each top of head on rael and Daniel. slow mind nalang talaga hindi makakaintindi jan, btw hindi ako galet HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You did? I didn't even notice. I'll double check.

yes I did and it's not my fault if you didn't notice it.

No, it's not your fault. I didn't mean to imply that it was.

I'm afraid I disagree. I think that the one thing that has continued to remain consistent has been Suu's goal: to leave Rahan. The variant of this goal has been to leave Rahan with Nadan, but now that Nadan is "dead," Suu will have to leave without him. But everything from the very first episode, when Suu was working for the consort to raise money for his departure, up until the current events, that goal has stayed the same. He's had a few setbacks, such as his own imprisonment and Nadan's accused crimes, so I'd say, if there is anything that continues to change within this story, it has been the multitude of obstacles that Suu faces in order to achieve this goal.
I will say that there has been layers of politics that hazes motives, especially the prince's and the consort's, but I'd say the overarching problem has been consistent and obvious.

Now, in my case I stopped reading King's maker because the plot started to seem like it got too muddled. I wonder if I should read it again?

King's maker is a heck of a lot more fluid than this story. I think the issues in its pacing came from the fact that the sex scenes were actually removed and... since they've been uploaded as their own thing on Mangago now, I think they were really important. There's ACTUALLY character development in those.

But hey, it's fine to disagree about my opinion on Shuu. Fair point that his goal has always been to leave, but I guess my feelings about it stem more from "leave and go where? with who? when? and then what?" and the answers to those questions keep changing and sometimes it feels like he has no intention to leave at all.

Maybe I wouldn't feel that way if the author didn't drag this whole thing out. I feel like we've been treading water for dozens of chapters.

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In King's Maker, the characters are reliable, but also predictable. We know who the hero is immediately, we trust their judgement, we enjoy the hero's journey through their story.
Here, the author tells the story of the anti-hero. The characters are not predictable. They do not have all the common attributes of what we know as a 'hero.' To me, the stories with anti-heroes have always been my favorite for their layers and the unpredictable approach to the story, though to each their own.
You seemed a bit concerned with why Suu wants to leave Rahan, and I think the answer is rather simplistic instead of there being a very large, complex reason. Rahan is, in many ways, set up like a prison. It's dry. The only way out is through this desert. It's foreboding. To 'leave Rahan' is to achieve freedom. The author hasn't truly eluded to what lies beyond Rahan, and I can only guess that this is because we are limited to the eyes of our character, and what out character knows, and he doesn't remember much past the desert. Maybe if the writer were to write more about it, it would reveal too much about Suu's past, which has mostly remained a folded mystery for most of the story. Still, to Suu, leaving Rahan means freedom.
To say that the story 'drags on' is a pretty bold statement and I would for that to be unpacked. Again, I disagree. I think that the story building and set up events has been truly skillful and original. I can't think of another story truly like it, other than the author's other works.

That's fine. I wasn't trying to argue, just trying to express how I feel about it. I think I'd rather have predictable characters + an unpredictable environment (which is what King's Maker is for me), instead of unpredictable characters + unpredictable environment which is what this story is for me. I really don't want to argue, this is just my opinion based on my experience reading this since day one.

oh no of course not! I wasn't trying to start an argument, just a conversation. I see a lot of people come into the story and get somewhat confused, so I always attempt to give a helping hand.
but you really hit the nail on the head when it came to a political smoke screen and morally gray characters, and everyone being a toxic pairing for Suu, so I just thought I would engage in your thoughts.
I'm sorry that you momentarily have decided to give up on the story. I hope you come back and give it a reread at some point. happy reading~

Damn, I am only now reading your comment. I agree completely. I have also been arguing this through and through. Suu's goal has never changed. He has always wanted to leave Rahan. He had to be smart and find ways to survive while he collects money to leave Rahan. The issue I also have is equating Suu's misdeeds with the crown prince and consort's evil. Suu is a victim of circumstance. A former slave who learnt early that to survive it's kill or be killed. Remember that chapter where he said he realized he had to abandon Nadan for a while and only meet him secretly after seeing how evil the consort was?
The story is also nicely layered and the characters complex. It's an incredible journey without saints but way too often, we are shown how oppressive the system is and how dispensable the lives of anyone that is not royal is.

I'll come back when it's done I think, yeah. I do think that like, maybe reading this week to week is hurting my experience since it's making the comic feel artificially longer? Like if I read the whole thing in one sitting would I still think it feels long? I dunno. Maybe not. A break might make me appreciate it more.

I am glad people like it though. I definitely adore morally gray everything, so I do want to like this. Will come back when it's done or close to it and read to catch up to see if my opinion changes. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Hands down to the rejected person, too. He accepted and did not force anything to the other person.

Sono is 27, after the timeskip 31. Rio is 17 and after the timeskip 27. The age difference didn't get messed up. Everytime Sono talks about the fact that he had acted like a straight guy and that he hid his feelings for 22 years, he means that he always knew he liked guys, but when he was 5 years old his mother told him that he wasn't normal. From then on he hid his true self and acted like a "normal" person. Sono explained that to Rio in chapter 6 and in chapter 4 page 8 there is the moment of Sono's past where his mother tells him that he is weird. In chapter 1 page 14 Sono says that he is 27 already.

oh wow thanks! That makes so much more sense XD

No. In an earlier chapter Sono did say he was 22 years old while Rio was 17. Then later, Rio said they have a 10 year age gap, so the age gap did get messed up.

It's been a while since I read it. Which chapter did he say that with the 10 year age gap?

I'm sorry. I went back and reread it to see exactly where it was. I seemed to have read it wrong when Sono was thinking in the first chapter about how he had been hiding it for 22 years. I feel like it was a little confusing, because he doesn't mention realizing that he needs to hide liking boys at age 5 until chapter 4. I misunderstood what I read the first time.