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Noooo you just made the plot so much more complicatedddd
(￣ε(#￣)Σ since his body isn't officially dead...his soul could come back...but he already died in taemins body so it's like, whatttt
But I'm really hoping both souls can be saved???? Is that possible gahhhh shiet what will happen, dun dUN DUN

i dont thnk he will come back ...siwoon died while in that body and he wanted to die..so maybe he wont come back.......but i want atleast one interaction tae min n siwoon.....but seriously if he does this is going to be a tragedy !

You are not the only one heheh

I feel like everyone does tbh xD They're too cute together!

Yes, please let people make light of this abuse and how realistic it is and turn it into some sick unhealthy fantasy. Even though its disrespectful to real people and their abuse and the psychological disorders these abusers have endured...please respect the immature little girlies that have no business reading this comic if they can't take this very serious topic seriously, thank you <3 <3 <3

Yeah....thats how dumb that sounds...sorry with how rude this may come off but this is the reality of what you're saying... This is something to be taken seriously, the author wants her work and this subject to be taken seriously. Why is it that people feel they can treat this work this way when if this were a published novel, not in comic or illustrated format, that this work would not be being downplayed? I think we should all think about that.

I love this story because it is being realistic and it is terrifying and it does have a message for its viewers. The message however is not to drool over to boys and want them to be intimate any any costs though.

How is anything in fantasy disrespectful of real life ? I've know survivors of both rape and long-term abuse who find all sorts of fantasies to be therapeutic--many as dark as this (some possibly more disturbing). Others find such material upsetting. Everyone is different. But for some, fantasy is a way to work out issues in a safe way--even dark issues others think they should not address--or at least not in that way. Not everyone who enjoys these fantasies is what you imagine they are, and not every survivor reacts the way a "good" victim should.

In real life, yes, abuse should be taken seriously. In context of the story, it's pretty dark and serious too (by my reading). But the story is still a story, and fantasies play many roles, most of which are not literal or direct.

Furthermore, if no one should see this as romantic or sexual, why is it labeled yaoi? Yaoi is erotic, not just any story with gay or bi men. So, if that reading upsets the author, maybe the aythor should make sure it;s not marketed as yaoi?

You can take what message you want from this story. I think the story is kind of scary too. But implying others are wrong, or immature, or somehow deficient for how they choose to read it seems short-sighted and based on ideals rather than careful consideration of all the relevant data and an understanding of how different people seek fiction.

The question that seems most important to me is what *effect* fantasies have on the person who has them or others rather than whether the *content* of the fantasy is "wrong". And I believe effect of fantasies vary from person to person (and probably culture to culture), so I will need specific proof of any harmful effect that is alleged.

People who can separate fantasy from reality (which is most people) can safely explore many dark topics for many reasons, and it does no harm (and may do them good as they work through their own issues).

Honestly, I don't think anything I can say to you will get us on the same page and really think this conversation is going to be a waste because we've talked before and neither of us are going to budge on our beliefs, especially you with your views on fantasy abuse. I have said it before, but I am not against abuse in stories. I read these stories. I do not however support the way that some people do not take these stories seriously and how they fetishize unhealthy relationships. I am not saying that this story is disrespectful of real life, I think the author is doing brilliantly. Its the "fandom" that isn't handling the material properly. I have seen such disrespectful and delusional posts and the majority of them are coming from underage girls who should not have access to this comic in the first place. This comic is technically rated R and 18+ only in its official release.

I do not think fantasy abuse is wrong. That is not what this conversation is about and that is where your main problem lies. You are arguing something completely different from what I am. I can understand how you would have misinterpreted what I said though. I do not think the subject matter of this comic is wrong. I belief the fact that underage girls are reading this comic and thinking that these two characters are written as being in love, when the author is clearly not writing the story that way, is wrong. I think that people are saying, hey let them think this, when that is literally not what the author or story is about is wrong. Sorry, I do not think that you are just allowed to read and interpret some things as you want. I know that nobody can stop you, but the author has an intent and to tell people to not argue that ignoring the true intent of this story is ethically wrong in my opinion. I believe in respecting the artist and the actual story, though I know you can not stop people from reading the story how they want, even if they are LITERALLY misreading it and ignoring the author's true intent.

This author is clearly delving into the psychological aspects of two human beings in her story. One was obsessive and a stalker, he was kidnapped, and is being abused and winds up in a very unhealthy relationships that he has be shown to want to escape and is scared of being killed by Sangwoo and does not feel the desire to stay with him. Even if he did, at this point I think the author has pretty well established that the obsession Bum had with Sangwoo is different. There was never any love. There is obsession on both ends.

I love fantasy that explore these dark topics and delves into the psychological depth of emotions both characters are going through. I do not think that is wrong. I think the lack of in depth reading which is mostly being done by minor's with brains that are not fully developed is sad however. Some people have shown that they do not have the capacity to understand this story and see it as no more than a simple bl or yaoi. Also, I believe the author labeled it as such because that is the only label we really use for manwha and manga. We do not have a lgbt label so there is no alternative. It is also a lot more believable that in this story Bum would be a male as most incidents of stalking in Japan and Korea are by men so this story wouldn't take place without him being gay.

I don't mean to attack you (and we probably won't agree). But fantasies of the fandom (or part of the fandom) are still fantasies. I think who people ship is part of their fantasy, and individual (and up to them).

I do understand where you are coming from about the story though. That's pretty much how I read it too. FWIW. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

No I understand, I don't think we're attacking one another. We just are very opinionated hahaha. But again, I just don't really think thats what people are actually arguing. They're arguing with why you would ship it when it comes down to it. Most of the reasons why, are because the person shipping it is underaged and is misunderstanding the story and characters. A person with a healthy understanding of relationships and fully developed brain doesn't really "ship" these characters. All the adults I've talked to or been on their blog don't really treat this differently than they would treat this story if it weren't labeled as yaoi. I don't think the problem is people shipping the characters so much as being worried that people are not understanding the story and characters and are reducing them to a trope.

By this I mean, some people I've seen on other sites and this one essentially will have a conversation kind of like this:

A: Bum and Sangwoo love each other, even if its a twisted love
B: No, they don't love each other. They're both dealing with complicated psychological obsessions and dependencies and coping mechanisms
A: But Sangwoo blushed and is being nice to Bum? He doesn't really want to kill Bum and clearly loves him so much he couldn't stand to live without him. Did you see how hurt he was when he thought Bum left him?
B: That's not...what is actually happening in the story though. You're misinterpreting their thoughts and emotions to fit into an idea of love that isn't even really how people work in real life or in fiction. All of the things you're interpreting as being due to love actually have really psychological reasoning that you need to understand to read and fully comprehend this story.
A: No, I can interpret it how I want, I know their relationship is a twisted love.
B: No, I know you can like their twisted relationship, I do too, but you don't actually understand what relationship they actually have and that the author is portraying...

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When you put it that way, it makes sense. There are times I will argue to the death over something I think is a factual misunderstanding. :)

Lol we're two peas in a pod. I'm sure everyone else here is like, we get it, we get it, you guys can shut up already

yea, I think the whole family was except the younger twin brother who was an omega

I loved the song before reading Killing Stalking but now I can't seem to get it out my head.

i did. i grew to love it from thisヾ(☆▽☆)

Its not a manga. Mangas are Japanese. Its either a manhwa or a Korean webcomic.

Nope that was just Bum narrating his outlook on the situation if it were a girl. He thinks that girls can get away with a bit more then gay guys when it comes to even wanting to get close to a guy they like.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c001/3/

No it wasn't, it was to mislead the readers thinking the stalker was girl, but in reality it was a dude lol

Ah ok....thanks