Kimu's Questions (9)

umm what..

Sorry if i asked on twitter no one would reply so i thought id ask here cause i spend my timer here almost everyday i dont have reddit either

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I suppose they wear a push up bra, plus they usually wear corsets so the boobs looks more perked

Yeah so im like the bra doesnt even have a strap SO WHAG COULD THEY BE USING THAT MAKES IT LOOK GOOD WHEN THEYRE ALREADY WEARING A CORSET does that mean their corsets have pads but u dont think so

There are strapless push-up bras but Idk if it's that

Tbh I could go on abt this for days on this topic but idk how to start bc there's so much to unpack abt it

Im both a bl and gl lover but from what ive seen it's bc since we live in a patriarchal society, (esp in japan back then) het stuff usually fell under very sexist tropes. So when bl FIRST started being created women were able to express taboo topics like sex thru characters that werent women, and ig it just developed from there and then it actually became something that helped with queerness too,
Theres actual reserch done ab this hahah u should prolly check those out cuz im not sure

as someone who reads a lot of shit on here i have to agree, theres a lot of hidden gems for bl where there's actual plot and little to no sex action but manhwas like jinx are just heavily popularized mainly due to the fact that people just enjoy seeing 2 illustrated men doing the deed with the bonus of some form of plot. it's geniunely boring to be reading something that has sex in it almost repetitively every few chapters. it's sad to see bl readers not respect gl because it's "fetishization" of actual female interactions/characters which is so hypocritical .

OMG???? GO GURL GO
GOOOOOOOOOO
LETS TALK ABOUT IT PUH LEASEEEE IM BEGGING U THERE HAS TO BE SOME DEEPER MEANING BESIDES A PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPLANATION ABOUT THIS

the author of manhwas are mostly girls too

Ts is so real.

The reason why women like BL so much can be due to a multitude of reasons, the main ones being:

1. Internalized misogyny: They don't realize it, but society paints women as useless and only good being a wife and a mother. This thought process is not just ingrained into men's minds, but women as well. And it's like school, it's hard to unlearn brainwashing once it's there, the only thing we can do to overcome it and learn for the better.

2. Sexualization of men in a homoerotic/ homosexual relationship: They like the sex aspect of a relationship, but not the romantic feelings or the meaningfulness or the hardships of a homosexual relationships, in this case, between two men. They sexualize men because people who are attracted to a sex (women to men, in this case) tend to do just that. Sexualize them. Men do it to women, men to men, women to men, women to women. It's just more common/ more heard of if you are attracted to the opposite sex.

I feel that it is very much possible for women to like BL without being problematic. It only becomes problematic if you are reading BL simply because of the sex, the sexualization of the sex role that they may take (for ex: I like the bottom because they are small, petite, cute, etc.) This is stereotyping at its finest, if the person hates when women are involved, if the person dislikes lesbian or straight romance/relationships.

Again, it's not all women who read BL that are problematic, but there is a large amount of the population.

(I am a woman btw)

Ok soo…. Im definitely thankful that u agree because I just believe that my beliefs are controversial and its hard cause people are just too easy to “offend” now a days. So its nice to see someone with an open mind. I mentioned juinx because it is an exact representation of the bl fandom thats the weird and bad side wanting to have a redemption arc when really hes complete trash and doesnt even deserve one, even seeing people comment that hes so funny so hot and hoping that he would be a better man is just complete bullshit to me. And what u said about bl fans not respect gl fans is new to me i personally never have seen this nor do i see gl fans much i do think its underrated compared to bl i dont even see any parts of the gl fandom, i also agree that it’s hypocritical.

Well yeah i said lust a lot so that correlated to what i said. This topic might be controversial but if u think logically it honestly just…. Idk how to say it but u gotta realize that theres a deeper meaning to this and what im saying is true people just dont realize it and its just came to a point the plots are not moral anymore but it has always been that way tbh i just hope people soon be open minded about it cause thats what i realized i read a lot and it consumed me because this website literally shows the homepage full of bl u type like ur mature btw lol its a compliment i type lazily so i dont care about the commas or apostrophes

Srry if this all over the place bc I'm trying to address all your points
So there's multiple things to consider from what you said, genres, women as readers, heteronormative relationships, conservative views from the cultures, women as a target audience and capitalism, and shock value

For starters "Boys Love" is an umbrella term that holds the genres "shonen ai" (romantic gay stories for all ages) and "yaoi" (outdated term for sexual gay stories). So like I think your initial point shoundnt be to say "bl is turning more abt sex" but that yaoi overall is gaining way more popularity than ever and is overshadowing shonen ai stories to the point that the all genre is perceived as plain heternormative gay porn. WHICH I AGREE WITH BTW

now it's true that the majority of BL readers are women and there's multiple theories and studies abt it. The most famous one is that it's because of how women are represented in media, usually they don't identify with the ideal of them also bc people unconsciously project themselves into the character so it makes it the more uncomfortable. Gay stories allow them to enjoy the romance w/o projecting themselves into it and also see it more abt two people falling in live instead of a person falling in love and the other seeing them as an object

You may read the last part and think that also happens in BL AND ON GL and that's also true bc despite this stories being abt two people of the same sex, they writters are mostly cishet and also from very conservative countries with very conservative gender roles. The result is that people assign the role of the woman to one of the men to the point that is literally a just a straight couple w the same genitalia. This is an issue mostly on the creators fault, most readers complain to this day abt how they always make the bottom (bc yk that's "the woman") look like a 14 y/o fragile woman

Now, women as a target audience it's smth rlly interesting as a whole, in other industries women are known as a the hidden gem and often the back bone of their business. Basically if you cater to women you know you'll get your money lol. This is specifically obvious with romance stories and BL is no different. However how I said before women have a thing for BL which the industry understands and exploits as much as it can. If women had this fixation for smth else, that smth will also be as satured in content like BL is

Shock value is smth that is being use A LOT in the recent years and perfectly shows why today is so normal to open a new BL and the 1st chapter being already porn. Again, women will buy and read BL regardless but won't it catch your eyes if the story started rlly bold? Yeah that's THE logic that most authors are following rn. No one is surprised anymore either bc it just shows they no longer have the ability to create meaningful pieces so they just a rlly diluted romance full of sex to attract viewers

I'm missing like 80 points but I'm kinda of a mess trying to put them together so maybe I'll comment back later

I try my best ╥﹏╥

I wasn't trying to undermine what you were saying, more like putting an explanation for the people who don't get it. Also, there's nothing wrong with the way I type nor was I trying to make it seem that I was better than you for using commas. I do it for me so I can properly organize my thoughts. Sorry if I offended you ig :)

Ykw I think I lowk read your comment wrong mb

It's simply because they are hot men

I like the power imbalance of the seme to uke, and the toxic-ness of it all. I would like straight stuff too, if I could find toxic straight works. I have a very specific preference and I find that yaoi is the only genre that fulfills it.

Also women live vicariously through the ukes. Ukes are drawn in a more girless way compared to the manly seme. The ukes are smaller too compared to the tops.

Because straight women like men. Simple as that. Put two of em together and that's 2x the fun.

Also women live vicariously through the ukes. Ukes are drawn in a more girly way compared to the manly looking seme. The ukes are smaller too compared to the tops.

Lol that's what I wrote it just that simple. It doesn't have this deep meaning to it.

Idk why other women read it but I primarily read bl because I think it has better romance in the stories than straight romance ( not to say there isn't any good straight/ yuri romance). Maybe because it has more of the romance I want to see in my life ( besides the toxic stuff), or maybe I just want to read something angsty that gives me the feels. And straight/ Yuri romance doesn't get me in my feels like that. When sex scenes come up in manga I'm literally not even thinking about sex but more so the intimacy of the characters. Ig you could say I'm desensitized to it a little?

I also think the reason such " horrible" stories like jinx get put on a high horse is because we all want to see what the redemption arc is going to look like. When a story is sweet from the get go we know the outcome. I personally like both types of stories. Sometimes I'm in the mood for something that I KNOW is going to need a redemption arc like Painter of the night but sometimes I wanna read something light and cute. And while I do think to many bls have used rape to further their plots, sometimes I think its ok to have those types of things in the stories. Sorry I don't know if I answered your question and sorry it's so long

To be honest, I don’t even like BL because I hate when the bottom has a dick and is muscular. I prefer rounder, smaller, and softer bodies for the submissive role. I am a female and that does have something to do with that preference, since I find the female body way more attractive than male bodies due to familiarity.

Someone else said that women tend to identify with the uke role, and that holds some truth to me as the ukes I tend to like most reflect some of my own traits. However, I prefer to identify with the seme instead because I like control and power. Sorry if TMI.

I have a preference for straight but that genre doesn’t have the kind of thing I’m interested in. I’m forced to read BL in a way.

Omg it didnt offend me did it seem that way??? I said it was a compliment because the way u replied was just writtenly good and looked like it was made with effort when it already was a long reply i genuinely meant what i said when u type good lmao it wasnt that deep but yeah

Noooooo!!! I replied to my comment saying that I lowk read ur comment wrong!!!! I PROMISE you didn't souns that way, I just skimmed through ur comment lmao, sry

Shi this looks weird the eyes didnt pop up for some reason like no seriously theres probably an emoji limit to this reply section

The way u say it indicates that its fetishization

Right because women are supposed to hate men when they read bl. I got you . This why yall always got a headache going in circles creating your own problems lol. Hope you find peace. Amen

Fr, I like your name <3 also, men have always been sexualizing women so why can’t we do it back lol

Wow thank you for that the fact that u said u had 80 points more means that yk so much and theres more to deep dive about this topic and yes thank u for saying at the beginning i shouldnt have said it in that way but how yaoi is overall gaining popularity( sorry english is not my first language and i think i sound informal and immature like talking to a friend)… i used to think shonen ai just meant wholesome and no seggs so thx for educating me… When u said about women not projecting themselves onto the couple it reminded of me the anime kiss him not me and it looked like fetishization of me and that women like them are the reason why i find it weird in the first place. I also agree with what u said about women as the target audience u explained it really well i couldnt have explained it the way you did. I really need to focus on how i talk and reply. About the writers being cishet i didnt know about that either so thx again.”

That is tmi but hey this is an adult website anyway… but aint that femdom??? Correct me if im wrong lol

That is tmi but hey this is an adult website anyway so who cares…… but anways aint that just f.e.m.d.o.m. Correct me if Im wrong lol i writed it that way cause somehow my reply keeps deleting??? So im thinking is there a word im not supposed to say or something cause its definitely not word limit i didnt wrote a lot

I’m going to blab a lot about myself here, just a forewarning (I love to talk about myself):

I usually see the femdom genre involving a woman dominating a man, which I’m not interested in. Being a girl on top sucks because you’re still submissive because of your gender. If I were a femdom, I wouldn’t be completely superior or dominate. Imagine a woman being the breadwinner, and the man being the housekeeper and child keeper. It doesn’t make any sense because that woman will have trouble at work. At work, they’re viewed as inferior, emotional, and not as capable as a man.
A woman could never be a CEO, or a superior without discrimination. A male CEO is mysterious, cool, handsome, intelligent, and dominant. A female CEO slept her way to the top—she should be at home taking care of children.

A man could be dominant without other people expecting him to be submissive or trying to put him in his place. Again, a woman can never be fully powerful or dominant, only a man can. The patriarchy would have been perfect for me if I were born a white straight man.

Aint that femdom

Thanks for being so receptive to the information, more often than not people who have a problem w women reading BL tend to just argue its simply fetishization and not listen to anything else hahs
Also don't worry, english isn't my first language either, that's partially why I didn't know how to explain all the things I wanted to say since it was pretty late and my english was short-circuiting lmao. Anyways I think sounding informal is fine, specially in forums like this, as long your thoughts get across (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

HOLY SHIT I DIDNT REALIZE THERE WAS A SECOND PAGE AND I THOUGHT MY REPLY WAS GETTING DELETED AND I REPLIED 4 TIMES THIS IS EMBARRASSING

Thats the thing though i dont get my thoughts across because i dont write it in a way that makes sense and i just want to indicate the perfect meaning of what im trying to say or convey

Sorry i may be saying it wrong and im gonna ask because im genuinely curious u said u see or project urself to the seme instead of uke but you dont want that stereotypical dominant man behavior right?

What do you mean by “stereotypical dominant man behavior”?

no!! a lot of them are also original stories, so not based on any novel.

@Cruchy-rollers is the best to ask something related to Arcane. Don't say bad about Viktor or he'll wring your beautiful neck(≧∀≦)

Teehee (≧∀≦)

The oldest profession in the world is prostitution. Humans have BEEN horny. People have been drawing and sculpting porn since before jesus christ himself was or was not born

Human nature :p sex sells

I dont think people realize how much consuming porn is thats why im questioning it cause this site is just full of smut and thats coming from me who reads a lot but compared to before im ok now i read like 1 smut a week back then it was everyday

- bato

- yeah, you can turn it off, either just delete it from your reading/already read list of unsubscribe on it by editing it

why would you want a similar website when this one is the best :( ?
and if u want to get rid of the notifications from a specific manga, you have to click on the manga, and then just at the top of your rate you click on « edit » and then you have « subscribe to this manga ». if you do get notifications from this manga then the box is blue and you just click on it so youre not getting any notifications from it

anymore

U can
1. Remove it from your reading list
2. Change to want to read/already read & unsubscribe to this manga

Thx for telling me but the answer to ur question is because theres too much bl on my algorithm i dont wanna read bl anymore i realized at some point its too much smut and sex i didnt realize how consuming it was especially during the pandemic thats why i wanted to stop and thats why i asked that question now i didnt avoid bl but i became uninterested cause it was always sex friends before lovers THAT WAS ALWAYS THE PLOT i was sick of it i wanted to be honest to ur question thats why i brought up this shi yes there are bl that arent smutty but that doesnt change the fact that MAJORITY OF THEM ARE i cant go reading the first chapter without them already doing 69 and thats coming from someone who has already a lot of bl manhwas and mangas (if u dont agree with what i said then wonder why ppl like jinx and majority of the bl fandom iarw women liking it there will always be a bad side to fandom but this is majority of them)

I agree with what u said that this is the best site tho cause its literally the only one I use

no no you’re right as fuck haha im having trouble to find good gems and actually good bls who arent just sex bc nowadays i think that’s what ppl enjoy to read but i mean, if you’re interested by every other genre then you should still stay here because i think there’s a lot of good stuff here even tho theres wayyy more bls than anything. you have to dig in to find good things, same goes for bls, it takes time but you find good stuff at some point

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/i_m_stuck_in_a_crazy_drama/
Isn't it this?

other details? liek the charac design or artstyle? is it manga/manhwa/manhua?

I think its a manhwa ik that plots like that are usually common on manhwas and the main character had long brown hair im sorry for not having enough details cause the moment i went back on the app it reloaded which was annoying