I think BL fans (and authors too) have a problem with accept stories like this because we (yes I include myself) are used to: no matter how twisted and disgusting a story can be, it will turn "romantic" and the top will have its redemption arc and not all of them have to be like that. For me, at least. Some will just be twisted, cruel, hard to read and that's OK.
Fiction can be about anything and I think there are no limits for fiction but there are for you, as a human and as a consumer.
Learn to choose what appeals to you and what doesn't and to consume it critically and then also judge it as a product.
This manhwa won't left me anything of value and that's fine...
I don't understand how updates worka here because another page its at least 5 chapters ahead and then the hiatus
I don't get it
The hiatus mentioned here is just the English tl. I believe it's because they don't have enough people translating everything so they keep having to put series on Hiatus.
but the chapters I mentioned in my comment are translated...
The official translation only goes to 93. The raws are only at like 96/97 right now, but whatever you saw wasn't the official English translation.
I think this manhwa (maybe unintentionally) showcase how a victim will endlessly go back to the abuse, maybe he doesn't want to escape and yet he does but he doesn't do anything to escape.
Haewon clearly loves Haeyoung even if Haeyoung it's a rapist piece of shit and he knows it, he loves him, period and since the only thing Haeyoung ever show him was attention through abuse, he accepts it even when he knows it's wrong and that's a common thing for victims to find "comfort" in the abuse when it's the only thing they ever known.
Haewon won't ever escape this.
And btw I'm not blaming him, the only culprit here is Haeyoung and whoever abuse the poor Haewon, it's just that I see people blame him and Haewon it's still a victim and while it is irritating and someone who never went through abuse would never understand it, it's very well represented.
Well as much as I do think Haewon is dumb for falling for Seo Hayoung again and again. The manga is doing a good job showing how abusive relationships work, you would believe everything your abuser said also we need to remember Seo Hayoung helped Haewon -financially- that, alone, gives the abuser so much power over their victim.
Haewon knows he is dumb, he knows he should leave, he should get away but at the same time, Seo Hayoung its the only he loves, the one who helped him, he doesn't see him as an abuser when he wants to be with him, he just wants to be with him and dissociates from reality.
Haewon doesn't want to leave him EVEN if wants to leave him because he doesn't know a life without Seo Hayoung and even thinking about it, for a victim, a life without the abuse its scary because it means to face a reality that sometimes may be worse than the abuse itself.
By the way, please take all of this with a grain of salt, I'm not a professional nor a victim so I'm talking from my knowledge and experiences and sorry if I sounded disrespectful in any way, that's not my intention, its just an analysis of a fictional character ╥﹏╥
Its definitely not on hiatus....I know we have up until chapter 25 but even on the official app its up to chap 18, we are being robed(￣へ￣）
Can someone tell me what happened to sawato and daiki? ie the mangaka pretending they never existed?
This was never the best thing I've ever read, no, but it was ok, it was interesting enough for me to keep reading and enjoying it and read the novel but when they revealed he was never a substitute....oh my God
Why? I mean I read Sissy, I read Black Lotus, ML were complete asshole AND they still ended up together so why do that...plot twist? I don't even know how to call it because it doesn't even feel like a plot twist.
It just bad writing and the author trying to gaslight the readers as if we haven't read the story, trying to make it look like the readers, misunderstood the ML, when you purposely write him to he like that.
And in story doesn't make sense either because its trying to make it seem like its the MC's fault when he had every right to feel mistreated and bretrayed and of course, to leave the ML, now it seems he leave him for nothing. Was MC supposed to read his mind or what?
The only positive aspect is that the MC has some development and he does not bend easily, he work hard for not only his mental health but his carreer and he deserves his fame and success. Fuck the other guy
It also completely ignored how ML let his friends torment MC and even scold MC in front of them, like it just completely glossed over that.
Preciselly. I've read the novel and it still made me angry
You are right omg that was so bad, they were like cartoon villains and even hqd the audacity to be sad when he supposedly die.
this just funky omg that last sentence made me literally cringe, like i feel it in my body wtf
i don't understand these types of stories, no one likes infidelity unless they deserve it of course, this is still fiction then again, why make something like this? im not rooting for the alpha and omega at all, they don't even have chemistry and also the alpha is such a cringe character, not even funny doesn't matter how hard they try, he is not likeable and so is the omega.
You like abusive tropes please I'm sure you can get it past you that cheating tropes can be as fun to read as abusive one. It's not real. Stop being so triggered and cherry-picky.
Key word: like. I like abusive tropes and I DON'T like cheating trope, simple as that. You talking about dumb but can't comprehend something so simple and trying to police what other people read. I'm laughing.
Who's trying to police what other people read here? YOU'RE the one who asked and I quote "why make something like this?" well duh, because some people like it. You're literally the only one trying to police what authors write because you don't like something.
Oh god, you are dumb. I did not ask for someone to answer, have you ever heard of "rhetoric question"? Guess not, of course.
This story does not have a purpose, its bad and that's it. If you like it then fine I don't care. I don't like it but that does not mean it should not exist.
You have so little personality that someone saying they don't like something you do makes you react like this? WTF I have many shit I like that people don't and I don't give a f because nobody can tell me what and what no to read or do, but that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on it even if I don't agree with it.
that's the issue, you don't seem the grasp the difference between "I don't like this story" and "this story is objectively bad because I said so, therefore it should not exist". You're not the certified manhwa reviewer, you're 100% allowed to dislike something but to claim is as objectively bad is wrong on your part. And no one forced these words into your mouth, you did.
"I don't like it but that does not mean it should not exist." I know you don't know how to read but please make an effort.
"You're not the certified manhwa reviewer" The fuck is that? lol not only this is an illegal site but also its the internet, no one requires you to have a degree to comment of something, wtf, since when its that serious?
The story its still bad by the way. That won't change.
I'm referring to your og comment lol. you backed down on trying to argue that stories like that shouldn't exist because it made you look like the bad guy
EXACTLY, which is why you don't get to claim that something is /objectively/ bad just because YOU don't like it. My gosh I've hardly ever seen someone this slow.
"Why do this exist?" was a rethoric question, still does not mean it should not exist...and its still bad with no purpose. Sorry if I'm using big words and your little
brain cannot understand I'll be more careful in the future for people like you (=・ω・=)
I do ヾ(☆▽☆) since no one can tell me what to do or not do. Its a public comment section and the manhwa its still awful as fuck, its bad and beyond salvation now, hope it gets canceled (づ￣ ³￣)づ
and don't lie bro, I'm sure you have seen someone slow before me, you must have look in a mirror.
so if I ask "why are you expressing your opinion?" you'll just take it as a rhetorical question too? right?
yeah of course, you're allowed to say you dislike something, but it won't be objective :3 don't argue with facts please you sound effortlessly stupid.
I mean yes. I would get that any rhetorical question if its in context, easy.
Sounds like a you problem since you are blinded by hate, hating on anyone who dislike this piece of garbade aaaand look at the upvotes, most people got what I said. The dumb one here is you.
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Why do I need to be objective if its from MY point of view? I express my opinion, nobody its paying me to give a good or bad opinion so again you policing what people should say.
But this one is objectively bad (⌒▽⌒) and most people agree, look at the comments here and everywhere.
quit projecting. you're the only one who's blinded by hate here considering how reading this story makes you feel. Do you perhaps have a maso side to yourself that makes you keep reading stuff you hate?
because you didn't say "from my point of view" you said "this story is bad and that's it". you tried to argue that this story was OBJECTIVELY bad, are you backing down on that too now? LMAO
If I'm the one speaking then its always from MY point of view (?) I would assume all the shit that comes out of your mouth is your opinion, that's how the world works in case you don't know which I'm sure you don't since you never left your room.
And nope, the story is objectively bad ╮(￣▽￣)╭
But dude YOU are the one commenting on every person who said something negative about this shitty ass manhwa. Not me. YOU responded to ME so how am I projecting? (⌒▽⌒)
Also I love how dumb you are since how can a person know they will dislike something BEFORE reading it also I read all the chapters available to see if it gets better and it didn't that's why I never even marked it.
And if you want to find out I'm a maso you will need to date me sorry (づ￣ ³￣)づ
"it's just my opinion" and one second later "the story is objectively bad"? so which is it? is it just your opinion or is it an objective fact?
In what world am I commenting under every person LMAO, I'm only hardly even intervening when I see people claim that this story shouldn't exist because wanting to censor authors sounds really dumb. And I genuinely don't understand people who suffer reading this yet keep on reading, I'm sure a lot of you guys are maso, no shade tho. Kinkshaming isn't my thing either.
I discover this manga because of TIKTOK, yes, and its a weird feeling when you realized its 20 years old but (leaving some things aside) it aged very well and its a great read.
Sure, its heavy and made uncomfortable many times but that's what I want from a story. To make me feel.
I love Jeremy and I think the ending was the best for him, he'll live with the trauma but that does not define him anymore. I would love to read about his healing but its a happy ending for me.
I also love how the author developed the relationship with Ian.
Ian, its a weird case. He did gave Jeremy a hard time and probably give him more trauma but he is not a professional, he was also struggling with everything, so yeah he did what he could. He's neither good or bad, just like real life, he could've done a lot of things differently? Sure, but he was also a teenager whose life do a 360° from day to night. He is not Jeremy's savior and I'm glad the author made that clear but he try to be there for Jeremy and I think Jeremy did know that too and he thanks Ian for it. I wouldn't go as far as saying they love each other but they do -find- each other. I think that's the word and I like how they are able to sit beside each other and chill and be comfortable. I like that.
For the other characters... William, Valentine and Queen Marjorie are the best. Marjorie, at first I was like "oh great another unstable teenager "and yes lol but she is also a great friend and a caring person, who tries to live her life her way and in the best way she can and I think its the few who love and accept Jeremy as he is. I like that they ended up as friends.
Nadia....I hate her. She was great and I like her with Ian but when they break up after the cheating, she tried to be some sort of villain and it was so cringy to me and yeah its sucks to be cheated on but girl, she was not like that and have no reason to chase Ian like she did, considering she already had a bad experience. Also she made everything about herself at some point that was so ? When Jeremy told her his story, her reaction was so disappointing and it that moment I was like ooooh this bitch and after that the whole "give Ian back to me" like Ian told you, he does not want you, Jeremy has nothing to do with it. Ugh. She was a disappointing character.
I hate Sandra too. Yes, she was unstable and did not meant to cause some trauma onto her son but that's the key word "some" because I believe she knew and choose not to say anything. She only care about herself and how she reacted to the secretary is my proof. She love the piece of shit pedofile and being love by him more than she loved Jeremy and everyone babied her was so cringy, not, she needed professional help. Jeremy needed to be from her too.
Overall 5 stars, 10/10. I highly recommend it.
a whole chapter to tell us he still is a piece of shit
great!