i'm... uneasy about hyesung, in the context of this happy family at least. look, there's no doubt that he was raped, and even though its questionable that the author wrote their love story in the way the events followed, i (at the same time) appreciate my uneasiness about hyesung. over a hundred chapters and i'm still not convinced hyesung loves dojin, which is throwing me in a loop because thats usually not how these type of stories go lol. this manhwa seems to be treading a fine line between trying to be realistic or setting the story in the normal bl environment where rape is forgettable and forgiveable... like, it can't decide where it wants to be and wants the best of both worlds so the whole time i was reading, i didn't know what lens to read it in, if that makes sense.
but like i said, i appreciate my uneasiness about hyesung not really being in love w dojin. in some way, to me, it feels like a consequence of the earlier events of their story, especially of the rape. some type of punishment to dojin that he will never truly have his heart (if we're going by the realistic route, i feel like dojin could feel that but is just ignoring it; he has hyesung by his side anyway, and they have a kid too).
to explain why i was uneasy, let's not forget that hyesung was looking for a RICH omega, which means he was prepared to live a life without love if it means he gets to be comfortable. it's just that he nabbed a rich alpha, and the bonding aside, being around dojin gives him the family (both extended and nuclear) he has ever wanted. so what more could he ask for?
or maybe hyesung is really in love and i just dont understand his character. i just really reaaally doubt it because the lack of interest from him that dojin could feel just seems impossible if hyesung was truly in love, not even to the degree of love dojin has for him. notice how hyesung only gets worked up when it threatens him or puts him in an uncomfy situation, like the last arc of horniness, and the affair rumor arc.
so, thats just it for me. might have to cleanse myself w fluffy, wholesome yaoi after this. as much as i enjoyed the art (and the author has such smooth storytelling abilities), finishing it just leaves a bitter aftertaste and this feeling of uncertainty continues (bc of hyesung), which again is diff bc usually in the end, the author got me convinced uke is in love w seme.
You worded this so well. I tried to like this story bc of how popular it is, but I just couldn’t. I finished it even though I wanted to stop many times, I thought it would come together at the end, but the relationship still felt off for some reason? I don’t understand the hype at all, and I really wanted to like this story. The second couple was nice though! And the baby is really cute!
thank you ^^. i agree about the baby and the 2nd couple! i actually wish 2nd couple has its own manhwa or a spin-off at least. even if its just like around 10 chapters, i'd devour it. i love the one sided pining from the older brother (i love stories w one sided pining premises in general) and i wish the author could go into more detail about it, esp when him and the beta were younger.
i kindaaa understand the hype. i observed that in general, if the seme is obsessive/loves more than the uke, yaoi/bl fans vibe w that. doesnt matter if the seme was violent or indifferent in the beginning, as long as there is certainty that later on he'd rather die than lose uke, fujoshis like that. i admit im also one of them, except i do want uke to reciprocate seme's love, even if uke is not as obsessive/possessive. i couldnt feel that in this one.
to clarify, i dont think hyesung is a gold digger in the sense that society usually thinks about gold diggers. he's a tsundere, but definitely a kind and caring person. he's a tsundere, but not one in love. i think imma join the hype in this manhwa, but only bc its a nuanced manhwa (or rather, hyesung makes it a nuanced manhwa, which makes sense bc he's the mc). i can see how the hype misled u about the story though bc same haha.
i just now realized that we (along w others who felt the same way) might be right about hyesung not being in love bc of the title.
Wow, once again you worded this so well! I think I can kind of understand why people like it so much now too.
Perhaps this wasn’t meant to be a an epic love story between both the uke and the seme. The seme was indeed horrible in the beginning, and more uke’s SHOULDNT be falling in love with the person that assaulted them. But yes I think I was misled in thinking that it would be like all the other stories I’ve read. And despite me not liking how the uke displays his emotions, he does indeed make the story more nuanced.
Me personally I’m still not a fan, just because it is my preference to see love that is reciprocated. However I will cut this story some slack lol.
WORDDDD, after I reread this manwha it took me so long to understand that hyesung is a very complex character which i understand because he never really grew up with a parental figure and had to live paycheck to paycheck which eventually grew his greed. I really wish tho they their relationship more development through talking and communicating rather than just being intimate, I believe he actually likes dojin just not in a expressive way or it can be he does but its barely ever shown (only time i genuinely seen him care was the scandal chapter) I just wish people would stop hating on him because his trauma is overlooked sometimes because of how he treats dojin
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a part of me *does* hope her mother sees sense and they reconcile, but a (larger) part of me hopes that her mother continues to get her pride the best of herself and tatiana becomes her karma (i feel like thats the direction the story is going for especially w making her mother greet her husband when the mother humiliated him years ago) in where tatiana becomes the instrument in which the mother has to apologize or bow her head down to the people she hurt. i mean, she used her daughters as tools to get herself power and wealth; im sure there are many more underhanded means she did just so she could get there.
and idc if the mother was secretly trying to treat her daughter's illness. why would u not disclose that to her, as well as tell her that that's one of the reasons why you were adamant on having her marry the duke? what was she thinking then when they cut each other off, was she just going to let her die? this js why the illness insertion seems like a last minute thing so that readers can soften up on mother, but at the same time it doesnt seem like it bc anne has said colds affect tiara more. like there were hints! but anywho, i hope the mother gets what she deserves, both good and bad.
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The mother keeps getting worse throughout the story. And doesn't see sense until the end I think.
oof, thats sad. is there at least justice enacted on her? like, does she get punished for everything she did throughout the story?
whatever anyone says, for me, the fault lies more on that glasses man than that short-haired girl. yall can say shes a hoe, but i feel like thats been clear from the start lol. that man however, is in a 10-year relationship, and yall can see he was genuinely falling for the temptation. i know him and his fiancee talked abt doing things for the money, but that hiding the note move would've sealed it for me bc why would you??? hopefully, she realizes that her fiance is the kind of man who could cheat on her in a heartbeat (even after they marry) as long as the temptation presents itself again.
i blame both short-haired girl and glasses man, but as there's no such thing as truly equal or fair in this world, i blame glasses man more (and frankly, side eye to those who blame the girly more; that man is an adult and again, in a 10-year relationship. he shouldnt be that easily swayed)
SPEAK ON ITTTT!!! (๑°ㅁ°๑)✧
cover lured me in bc it looks nice but the art is jumpscare still proceeded to read bc story might be good but it's... ugh.
i have'nt read this yet, don really plan to. but why's the art a "jumpscare" looks pretty damn good to me. what've u been reading lmao
Fr, the art was the only thing that made me start reading it. Then I liked the story. Idk why ppl don't like unique styles. Like, I'm bored of the same old ones where everyone is perfect looking （￣へ￣）
Let me guess you read up to chapter 4? maybe even 15? Just keep at it at least to ch 30 or so and you will most likely start enjoying it.
i just finished up to chp 49 so ok, seeing that the story is not over yet, and seeing as the soul switch thingy has been revealed early on, i assume we gonna get back to the mistreatment of camilla and the other soul (i forgot the name). like REALLY get back. bc im sorry, the excuse that the reason why camilla's fam was so hostile to her is bc their souls didnt fit their body doesnt do it for me, esp when u compare them w that red haired boy? he got his own issues too but even he managed to treat her decent, the only thing the soul switch thingy came into be was when she was fighting w that blue haired lady, but even then he went back, bc he came to the realization that leaving them be was NOT THE RIGHT THING to do. i feel like he's the 2nd ml but not 100% sure, which is something I LOVE bc for me, love triangles and 2nd mls only work well when u dont know for sure who's the main and the 2nd ml. so yeah, him treating her well despite the soul switch thingy could be a case the author can present to the readers that he could be the main ml bc he got character, more or less, i guess one thing that came out of his obsession of trying to be seen as kind and good.
and i know the mistreatment of the other soul was due to consequences of her actions too, but one thing that was stuck on my mind was her digging the rosebed out of the blue, but actually it was bc she was looking for her mother's ring. the duke was like, "why didnt u tell me ಥ_ಥ" but i was like, "well bitch, have u thought of the contexts around her that made her unable to tell you? *insert gun emoji*" obv we dont see much of his pov bc hes not the main character, but i as a reader was appalled he left it at that and didnt start questioning himself lmao. not to mention, im sure the other servants knew or could at least notice what was going on, but none of them told him??? and then apparently they have an information network???? so yeah this just tells me he's incompetent in managing his household to a certain degree, or that he just really couldnt care and would rather pour majority of his attention to other things. the soul switch thingy cannot be the only means the author thought of of making him red to green, bc i think he's orange at best rn.
lets also not forget ravi... not paying attention and setting ludville's party to the same day ravi's presenting his thesis!!! tf is that. also does a coincidence truly exist? bc im almost inclined to think the duke did it on purpose. really, out of all the days, he managed to choose THAT one day?
all the sibling deaths also is making me think of ravi. like great for camilla, but are we not gonna see an improvement in connection between ravi, ludville, and the duke? i think he's also ignored still by the head of that red colored house; the only reason why shes noticed by him is bc of their house animal wanting to go to her. i hope this doesnt become one of those manhwas where everything the main girl wants is achieved but the other character who's also supposed to grow with her and have the same wants as her starts leaving the spotlight bc we dont have use for them anymore. like, they were there at the start, they should also be there at the end. idk, storys not over yet anyway.
oh noesss... in the earlier chapters, sherina talked about something like heidelgger (did i spell it right) taking rutger in the battlefield and they both won and she was promised to be the kaiser. dont tell me its going to happen again like rutger come on. i know your a child rn and that u have no knowledge of your past life but just, come on...
finally we get to see the jeongwon's pov in the next chapters.
also, f that sister, i feel like she'll be the root cause of the drama, and f their parents (even though we haven't seen much of them) for allowing that kind of sibling dynamic.
another thing is women in this yaoi are hella pushy, like theres the sister, but also the piano major who planned the beach trip. i was lowkey annoyed ngl bc i dont think the boys actually agreed to go and even if they said yes, u can see some hesitance??? that beach trip was also kindaaa disappointing bc i was expecting some drama from piano major's friend; i thought she was being set up to seduce jeongwon lol.
imma drop this for a while and then come back after this is completed bc we've already passed the first conflict -- them getting together which means what comes next may be serious drama (i hope that sister gets humbled moooree; slap her if they must).
Wait do you mean the design major
been reading this manga for a while now and its bugging me every time i read the chapters bc him being a netkama is the focal point of the story, but does anyone know korean gaming culture here? do they really take it seriously if youre a guy who pretends to be a girl (and what happens if youre a girl who pretends to be a guy)?
like i just really cant understand being that pissed. im talking about yoona mainly. ok, i get the money thing, but her disgust seems to be mainly directed to mc being a netkama, which i just really dont understand bc its the internet bruh, and its a game, its not really that serious in my opinion. even her ex bf, cant he be classified as a netkama?
ig this is also the reason why i was cringing when seme/ml was mad when he found out mc was a man. i refuse to believe skoreans are that dumb or trusting to not entertain the idea that the person behind their avatar might be of the opposite sex. like, its the internet!!!! u always proceed w caution, esp w relationships made on the internet!!!
idk what im trying to say except that i dont understand the hate for the netkama thing and why uke should always have to feel afraid to be harrassed and shamed by other people for it. i thought the point of the internet was that u get to be anyone, even just for fun
i think being a netkama is more than js playing as a girl character. the stigma is more ab doing it w the intent of scamming a male player or other players for money under the guise of being a girl!
Mc was playing the character in order to scam the ml as revenge for what he did to his guild. This isn’t the level of just pretending to be whatever you want anymore, since it involved real money, even if he gave it back in the end. When you do anything with malicious intent, it’s not weird to get hated for it. Besides, it’s not like the mc really liked acting as a nektama, it’s obvious by his reactions and the fact that he backed off once it got too serious, which can also add to his personal shame.
As for yoona, since she likes the ml I’m pretty sure, or is at least trying to use him for clicks and therefore needs a sustained partnership, it’s that someone is trying to get with “her man” and taking their time with each other away, and to make it even worse, this person is actually a guy who pretended to be a girl in order to deliberately trick the ml, which leads to her disgust. If yoona actually liked the ml (which I think is the case, I haven’t reread in a while), and the mc was actually a girl, I think yoona would still hate mc.
i see, thanks for explaining! to be really really honest, i kindaaa still dont get it, why the hate is on the netkama specifically when the male players are the ones spending money, and in doing so u need to keep in mind the possibility of ppl not being who they really are on the internet, yknow? i kinda also see being a netkama as something strategic to do, but i do see where u are coming from!
my reason for saying why i dont understand the hate for the netkama thing is bc it wouldnt be a thing if the players themselves are not spending the money for others, or rather are not incited/excited by a female player. i keep thinking that what if i was put in the position of being tricked by a netkama, i'd rather just let it be bc i did *choose* to shelf out that amount of money in that moment, and if i did, that means there was some relationship built or interaction that was exchanged, though i also think i'm over simplifying this.
for yoona, i agree w what u said, but reading your reply made me realize that yoona and mc are kinda reverse parallel of each other. mc as a netkama aims to gain something by pretending, but so does yoona w her bribes, except its not really money but more on loyalty. like what i said that there is a relationship built w the netkama, its iffy to say but u're essentially paying them for that relationship/companionship?¿ and yoona does the same w her bribes.
y'all, why is mc playing the game again? was it ever explained?
Yes ,basically the system thinks eros and mc are in love and wants to check if mc is truly in love with eros, by making the mc go to the first game again to see if mc will betray eros. That's why it's called love tribulation ie love test