i love how his character is like peeling an onion. i feel like—everyone does— that this personality of his is just the surface and that one chapter were he visited his parents says a lot too.
ian relationship with tj is more like a heaven in hell they've got each other since then, witnessed each other's downfall, each other's cries, experience each other's hell. and despite that they are still unable to let go of the other.
for ian and jo is on comfort side (at least for now) ian was able to experienced some of his firsts. soooo fulfilling to see that. and he seems to be very patient with ian too hope i can see more of ian's firsts with him.
this love triangle is really something bcs I don't care who will ian would end up with ><
Unless TJ leaves the gang somehow, he can’t be endgame. It won’t be realistic if he leaves immediately but it’s still realistic to leave a gang, he just has to prepare for that. But he’s preparing to continue being in the gang in a higher position.
He’s not thinking about what Ian wants. And anyone who believes he’s thinking about Ian, idk what you’re reading, but what he’s doing is not what Ian wants. Being in the gang as a leader just makes it more risky and less protection guaranteed. People act like TJ becoming a leader is gonna protect, no, some of y’all clearly don’t know the extent of how people can be in gangs. Some do not give a shit about who’s in charge.
This story wouldn’t be a story if Ian wanted to stay in the gang world. I can’t believe some people actually believe that Ian is deluding himself into thinking he wants a normal life. How is he deluding? WHO WOULDN’T WANT A NORMAL LIFE?
Ian clearly IN HIS WORDS said: “I’ve never wanted any of this from the beginning” (gang life). Just say that you want TJ as endgame regardless of how Ian feels, none of y’all care about Ian.
Ian killing David Kim is a blessing. I was reading back previous chapters and what David did to Ian he did to another young kid before meeting Ian and I'm sick to my stomach about it. If Ian didn't kill him image how many more young teens life he would've ruined omfg.
Loving both the ml's banter, they're so goofy but look how cute Dochan is in his nerd fit. I want beef cake too
Decided read the last few chapter and man I absolutely hate Nobu and how he's emotional cheating on Asami, I feel so bad for her and completely understands her frustration and complex jealousy. Nobu bitch ass was about to cheat on her with a kiss. Then he has the audacity to tell nana that she's messing with his feelings when the reason she push him was because he was about to fucking cheat. Nana was literally thinking of Asami and how it would hurt her but not coward ass Nobu. Idk why ppl like him he gets on my nerves and Asami deserve better.
S1 ended in Korea today and despite what Minwoo (black hair) did, I see alot of Korean readers cheering about it lol. So I'm assume the silver hair and the uke aren't likable? (Makes sense judging by the author first work 'Illuminate the Night/The Night Sun' this series feels the same as that one, just less dark theme)
Hold up. Seeing tj stans say Jo is controlling Ian is crazy, I think they need to recheck themselves, who do you think is been controlling Ian for some years of his life, trying get him back in the gang and making hin lose his dream? Make it make sense.
yall saw jo literally saying tj should let ian go for his own sake but ran with it to say he’s greedy or weird??? i don’t think we’re reading the story the same because he very clearly was concerned for ians mental health and emotional stability every time he’s around tj…
it’s quite hypocritical when tj is the one forcefully clinging all these years, but jo is somehow the ultimate villain as if they haven’t sorted out their core problems for the past decade. power struggle aside this entire story has been showing up how ian is terrified of the person he becomes in affiliation with the gang, and tjs worst downside is that he won’t care if ian breaks down as long as he’s by his side. it’s concerning how ian isn’t seen as his own person in the story by some readers :(
Random but I would really love more of Ian pov chapters, let me see his thoughts. We need to know!!! It probably drive us less insane
Chapter 53 is wonderful. How Jo intervene, he ate with that, get your man boo but also we finally saw Jo clashing with himself. He's concern for Ian but also it's a selfish act too he's jealous (yes it can be both, hence Jo internal struggle). But even if Jo tries to prevent, it back fire on him, he prevented their interaction, this was before Christmas and we know how that ended, Ian going back to tj. The correlation is so good, and it goes in with the setup that tj know Ian will always go back to him since he uses it to grip and take advantage of Ian, that's why he didn't bother them and walk the other way.
I wonder if one day the roles will switch. Where tj looses his grip on Ian and Ian goes to Jo.
*yes this is a repost I accidentally deleted my comment*
jo should be endgame tbh… i reread this entire webtoon because the amount of people belittling ian and jo’s connection had me feeling crazy. while i understand why there’s fans for tj and ian it’s also very easy to define their relationship as something codependent, unstable, and unhealthy in the long run. i don’t think yall remember in the beginning how it was hinted tj used to harm others, and even ian himself, because of his possessiveness and fear of being left behind. he then tied ian down by forcing him to pay an outrageous debt to keep him in the gangs clutches longer. yet i saw so many people only call out jo for saying he wanted them to have exclusive sex this chapter and calling it toxic, while completely ignoring him/tj’s long winded history of one-sided violence
with tj, ian is haunted by the past and becomes a shell of a person that’s not even himself. tj has no plans to leave the gang, and this environment turns ian into a ruthless and unfeeling machine… almost like nothing. their sex is honest and passionate because he’s not fucking for love. to him it’s an act of raw desire that distracts them from the problems they share and never wanting to open up (as ian admits). together they perpetuate a cycle of constant push and pull, where one person is always at the extreme
with jo, ian is able to take a fresh breath and feel like there’s a life that’s exists far beyond what he’s been shown. ian becomes SO curious and has endless first times when it comes to fulfilling things. it’s like his inner child is being healed, and he’s able to be young and carefree. he unknowingly lets his guard down, and is comforted by how alike they are (how they say or think the same things at the same time). jo opens up ian’s world instead of shutting him away
all this to say, i feel like the sex scenes blind tj and ian shippers + fans believe utter devotion = tj is owed love from ian, even that very devotion is harmful or manipulative. and jo doesn’t deserve as much hate as people give him
I feel like most reader do not care for Ian own feelings and his emotional turmoil. Jo stans need to realize it's hard to walk away from familiarity (even if it's bad). 19yrs is alot. Now tj stans need to realize it's not all about tj feelings. Saw a comment saying it be bad if Jo is endgame because all those 19yrs are down the drain for tj... excuse me? he had 19yrs to do something about his relationship with Ian, that's on him alone. Ian is not obligated to return anything for those 19yrs tj did all on his own.
And both sides need to stop slut shaming Ian. He not in any official relationship and both men know what they got into.
I was reading the series back recently and we actually learn quite a bit about Gyeol throughout the series it just is very spread out so it's hard to keep track.
In Chapter 19 we see Suyeon and Gyeol in freshmen year and we learn that Suyeon is the top student which Gyeol resents. In senior year we see that Suyeon is still working hard even after finishing his thesis which Gyeol finds annoying. In Chapter 12 Gyeol talks about wanting to help Suyeon and the ceramics department only for Suyeon to remind him that Gyeol was the one desperate to have an exhibit (meaning that Suyeon was having exhibits). It seems like Gyeol was always threatened and by and envious of Suyeon's talent and being the top student.
Chapters 18 and 19 shows Suyeon upset and confessing to Gyeol before he leaves for America. Gyeol agrees to go out with Suyeon after seeing him cry (looks like he enjoys seeing Suyeon suffer). In chapter 38 we see that Gyeol has been ghosting Suyeon telling him he forgot about him. This is where Gyeol tells Suyeon he will only have sex with him if Suyeon can cum from being choked. When Suyeon can't Gyeol tells him that he will only stay if Suyeon can keep him entertained and in chapter 47 we see that Suyeon practiced choking himself so that Gyeol would reward him with sex.
We see in chapter 2 their breakup when Gyeol tell him that he is sick of both Suyeon and his work and in chapter 12 we learn that Gyeol had a girlfriend (probably while he was with Suyeon).
The thing that jumped out the most is how much Gyeol is threatened by Suyeon as an artist. He finds it annoying that Suyeon is always at the pottery wheel and distracts him in chapter 35, when he breaks up with him he makes sure to also mention being sick of his work and he was annoyed that Suyeon is the top student. Suyeon described making his art piece from the exhibit as giving birth to his and Yoonho's child because Yoonho was the inspiration only for Gyeol to say that the piece is funny because it's about Suyeon being obsessed with sex. In an upcoming chapter Yoonho's ex-girlfriend correctly identifies that Yoonho and Suyeon are lovers because their art pieces complement each other but Gyeol sees Suyeon as only being a sex crazed slut.
Suyeon actually spends a lot of the story not wanting to be around Gyeol, being forced to meet with him for university reasons and to share a loft and he calls out Gyeol's bullshit repeatedly. Gyeol was trying to say that Suyeon hasn't changed and that he is still hung up on Gyeol. Gyeol says that he had forgotten about their time together and that Suyeon must be upset about it but it's actually the opposite. When Gyeol realises that Suyeon has moved on with Yoonho, Gyeol is the upset one. He makes a move on Suyeon in chapter 38 out of anger and jealously after seeing Yoonho and Suyeon fuck because he still views Suyeon as his toy telling him in chapter 39 that Yoonho can't replace him. In chaper 47 he says Suyeon being so easy sucked all the fun out of their relationship and in chapter 48 he tells Yoonho he lent Suyeon to him and again says that Yoonho is his replacement. He only wants Suyeon now that Suyeon was moving on but if Suyeon was interested in being with Gyeol he would lose interest again.
TLDR; Gyeol feels inferior to Suyeon as an artist and degrading Suyeon sexually helped him feel better about himself. He doesn't have any real concerns about Suyeon because he went out of his way to cause him as much pain possible with the way he broke up with him and in having a girlfriend.
Suyeon knows this as well but Suyeon is filled with so much self-loathing and feelings of being dirty that he thinks he deserves this treatment and is now stimulated and addicted to it. Suyeon loves Yoonho more than he ever loved Gyeol but Suyeon's is a broken form of love.
Okay the ending was cute and funny Dochan really saying you can't tell what to do at Joohyuk lol but joohyuk really using privilege against Dochan was gross talking about only potential can lead as if he didn't do fuck up shit to Eunoh.
Damn the english translation. I wanted to ask about Minwoo (new) Love interest and why everyone hates him (even kr readers hate the new dude) but we're still in S2 here. If you're a minwoo fan please prepare for unfairness for our boy in the upcoming season
Ian feeling like it's a first time is so wonderful because he experiencing comfortable once more. Jo and Ian relationship is definitely slow pace and will take time esp for Ian to relaize but it be intriguing how both of them will influence each other since both are so different from one another and can experience new things the other hasn't.
Their relationship is slow pace while tj and Ian are heated (they already have 19ys) that's why many seem to think Jo and Ian aren't compatible it's because some readers want things fast but in situations like this smooth pace is important.
I don't know why some are shocked that others are team Joseph, season one heavily implied he closely being ML because of the many heartfelt moments between them and S2 began with Joseph pov of the first life. The author show Joseph a lot in the first half of the series you just can't expect people to not root for him. It's was never obvious that blonde boy was ML. Half the reader were hella suspicious of him.
And in the novel he turn back time for another reason which was changed in the manhwa hence why some readers were suspicious regardless because they only knew the novel reason.
Wow almost got me ngl I but of course.. like be fucking real Yeongwoon. Show that you're the one with the upper hand you're just proving to Seoin how weak you are to him and that he can easily take advantage of you. I can't believe I'm more frustrated with mc than the top rn
I need to know what happens in the recent chapter today because even a few korean readers are like HELL NAHHH