yall saw jo literally saying tj should let ian go for his own sake but ran with it to say he’s greedy or weird??? i don’t think we’re reading the story the same because he very clearly was concerned for ians mental health and emotional stability every time he’s around tj…

it’s quite hypocritical when tj is the one forcefully clinging all these years, but jo is somehow the ultimate villain as if they haven’t sorted out their core problems for the past decade. power struggle aside this entire story has been showing up how ian is terrified of the person he becomes in affiliation with the gang, and tjs worst downside is that he won’t care if ian breaks down as long as he’s by his side. it’s concerning how ian isn’t seen as his own person in the story by some readers :(
2024-07-01 10:17 marked
jo should be endgame tbh… i reread this entire webtoon because the amount of people belittling ian and jo’s connection had me feeling crazy. while i understand why there’s fans for tj and ian it’s also very easy to define their relationship as something codependent, unstable, and unhealthy in the long run. i don’t think yall remember in the beginning how it was hinted tj used to harm others, and even ian himself, because of his possessiveness and fear of being left behind. he then tied ian down by forcing him to pay an outrageous debt to keep him in the gangs clutches longer. yet i saw so many people only call out jo for saying he wanted them to have exclusive sex this chapter and calling it toxic, while completely ignoring him/tj’s long winded history of one-sided violence

with tj, ian is haunted by the past and becomes a shell of a person that’s not even himself. tj has no plans to leave the gang, and this environment turns ian into a ruthless and unfeeling machine… almost like nothing. their sex is honest and passionate because he’s not fucking for love. to him it’s an act of raw desire that distracts them from the problems they share and never wanting to open up (as ian admits). together they perpetuate a cycle of constant push and pull, where one person is always at the extreme

with jo, ian is able to take a fresh breath and feel like there’s a life that’s exists far beyond what he’s been shown. ian becomes SO curious and has endless first times when it comes to fulfilling things. it’s like his inner child is being healed, and he’s able to be young and carefree. he unknowingly lets his guard down, and is comforted by how alike they are (how they say or think the same things at the same time). jo opens up ian’s world instead of shutting him away

all this to say, i feel like the sex scenes blind tj and ian shippers + fans believe utter devotion = tj is owed love from ian, even that very devotion is harmful or manipulative. and jo doesn’t deserve as much hate as people give him
2024-06-22 22:17 marked
I was reading the series back recently and we actually learn quite a bit about Gyeol throughout the series it just is very spread out so it's hard to keep track.

In Chapter 19 we see Suyeon and Gyeol in freshmen year and we learn that Suyeon is the top student which Gyeol resents. In senior year we see that Suyeon is still working hard even after finishing his thesis which Gyeol finds annoying. In Chapter 12 Gyeol talks about wanting to help Suyeon and the ceramics department only for Suyeon to remind him that Gyeol was the one desperate to have an exhibit (meaning that Suyeon was having exhibits). It seems like Gyeol was always threatened and by and envious of Suyeon's talent and being the top student.

Chapters 18 and 19 shows Suyeon upset and confessing to Gyeol before he leaves for America. Gyeol agrees to go out with Suyeon after seeing him cry (looks like he enjoys seeing Suyeon suffer). In chapter 38 we see that Gyeol has been ghosting Suyeon telling him he forgot about him. This is where Gyeol tells Suyeon he will only have sex with him if Suyeon can cum from being choked. When Suyeon can't Gyeol tells him that he will only stay if Suyeon can keep him entertained and in chapter 47 we see that Suyeon practiced choking himself so that Gyeol would reward him with sex.

We see in chapter 2 their breakup when Gyeol tell him that he is sick of both Suyeon and his work and in chapter 12 we learn that Gyeol had a girlfriend (probably while he was with Suyeon).

The thing that jumped out the most is how much Gyeol is threatened by Suyeon as an artist. He finds it annoying that Suyeon is always at the pottery wheel and distracts him in chapter 35, when he breaks up with him he makes sure to also mention being sick of his work and he was annoyed that Suyeon is the top student. Suyeon described making his art piece from the exhibit as giving birth to his and Yoonho's child because Yoonho was the inspiration only for Gyeol to say that the piece is funny because it's about Suyeon being obsessed with sex. In an upcoming chapter Yoonho's ex-girlfriend correctly identifies that Yoonho and Suyeon are lovers because their art pieces complement each other but Gyeol sees Suyeon as only being a sex crazed slut.

Suyeon actually spends a lot of the story not wanting to be around Gyeol, being forced to meet with him for university reasons and to share a loft and he calls out Gyeol's bullshit repeatedly. Gyeol was trying to say that Suyeon hasn't changed and that he is still hung up on Gyeol. Gyeol says that he had forgotten about their time together and that Suyeon must be upset about it but it's actually the opposite. When Gyeol realises that Suyeon has moved on with Yoonho, Gyeol is the upset one. He makes a move on Suyeon in chapter 38 out of anger and jealously after seeing Yoonho and Suyeon fuck because he still views Suyeon as his toy telling him in chapter 39 that Yoonho can't replace him. In chaper 47 he says Suyeon being so easy sucked all the fun out of their relationship and in chapter 48 he tells Yoonho he lent Suyeon to him and again says that Yoonho is his replacement. He only wants Suyeon now that Suyeon was moving on but if Suyeon was interested in being with Gyeol he would lose interest again.

TLDR; Gyeol feels inferior to Suyeon as an artist and degrading Suyeon sexually helped him feel better about himself. He doesn't have any real concerns about Suyeon because he went out of his way to cause him as much pain possible with the way he broke up with him and in having a girlfriend.

Suyeon knows this as well but Suyeon is filled with so much self-loathing and feelings of being dirty that he thinks he deserves this treatment and is now stimulated and addicted to it. Suyeon loves Yoonho more than he ever loved Gyeol but Suyeon's is a broken form of love.
2024-06-18 22:08 marked
Hey guys small infos


You know there is this new spin off about the older brothers of our seme
I just read it btw
And now i re read ch. 12 here. Omg now the dots are connected, why he had all those bear t shirts lol. And the older brother wearing bear socks lol. Anyway i also re read seme s past and wow now it all makes sense.
Also i m so fucking glad the older brother really tried to take seme with him too, and not only the little blondie. It was sweet. And i am glad they care for each other. Seme here is just tsundere (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

Also in ch. 12 appears this red haired guy. Omg i think he is the same guy that appears at the end of mondays saviour season 1... The bully or ex friend of our yooil. I think they are the same person
2024-06-09 09:02 marked
Subin's love is verbal while jun is physical, I really hope for a side stories that can show their love equally. I feel like the both of them choose to stay with each other without thinking much for their relationship until someone is giving up or hurt enough like how subin did and to think that for 4 years they stay like that...That kind of love is tiring #-.-)
2024-04-01 23:27 marked
The story is so realistic. If only Jooin could be little like Subin... First love is hard to forget but Subin is the proof that first love is nothing but endless love is what he needs. Jun wasn't first love but he was his last love. I love how 2nd ML win in this story. I can see Subin still loved Hyeonwoo but he chose not to care about their past anymore since he also loves Jun and in relationship with him. Jun is the one who heal Subin broken hearted. Cain too. but Jooin chose Yahwi at the end because he loved him too much as he was his first love. What a typical BL story. Hate Mate has the best plot ever..
2024-04-01 23:27 marked
the way author might not let cain have a side story cause he was a main character and is deeply entangled with the rapist and jooin wdym there's none,,, you frickin did the ending and stating that he is learning to love himself LIKE THE WAY A CAIN SIDE STORY MIGHT BE A GOOD REDEMPTION FOR THE HEADACHES YOU GAVE US

atp I'll write a cain×reader cause he deserves to be anywhere besides being a stepping stone for the trashy main couple
2024-03-23 15:13 marked
Remind me to never read anything the author decides to write after that cuz this thing was a dumpster fire and honestly it was just a lazy and lousy attempt at a love triangle
2024-03-23 15:12 marked
It would have better shown "growth and maturity" if Jooin would have not taken Yawhi back, even if Cain wasn't the end game.
2024-03-22 18:35 marked
You would think inventing a character that centers around reincarnation and reuniting with your first love in the next life would take priority as a fantastical and world altering plot story especially since that character was the jumping point of the entire idea of the story but nah, that's just background stuff. Like WHY insert a character that has such a disruptive and insane background in what is essentially a very bog standard, run of the mill will-they-won't-they couple who have zero interest in the fact that this other guy CAN REMEMBER HIS PAST LIFE??? It's like a BL where a side character has magic powers and needs to save the universe, but let's spend 80% of the story on this toxic couple who argue about petty shit. It just trivializes everything. Anyway I'm not going to miss this, but I am going to miss everyone in the comment section lol
2024-03-22 16:44 marked
I actually was really anticipating the authors' notes because I needed to know what was going on in their minds while creating this poorly executed love triangle. And then I read that Cain was the first character to be created and that the concept was born out of his own bg (a pet being reincarnated). And then what do they do? Create a love triangle (with 2 characters that are not on par with Cain at all, I'm sorry Jooin and Yawhi stans), set everything in a present day that doesn't relate to the concept of reincarnation (except from Cain of course) and just use Cain as a device to get the other two to be endgame. And on top of that???? We are told that Cain's whole existence is just in relation of Jooin's existence (like, Cain learned to love himself but he is still not his own person) and that the authors are not likely to show us A FULL ASS BG/SIDE STORY about Cain (and his brothers). Ah and yes also Cain is not allowed to have another love story.
Like, authors, you can use a lot of deep and meaningful concept and just sing praises to all of your ideas and characters, but the execution WAS NOT IT. Just no.
Cain literally deserves his own story. We DO NOT need more side stories about Jooin and Yawhi, who from the very beginning should have had their own story SEPARATED from Cain's story.
They are literally two whole different plots put together just because "love triangles sell". Yes, when they make sense and are well executed. But not like this.
I appreciated reading the process behind this story. I hope the authors are happy with themselves and are resting now. But I will cut my fingers off before reading another one of their stories. Unless it is about giving justice to Cain. That I will read. And it is funny because I was not and I am not a Cain stan lol I didn't even wanted him to end up with Jooin in the end. Like, characters like Cain are not really my favorites in general, but in this webtoon he is the best written character...but he is just a plot device. I am so disappointed but also resigned because I shouldn't have expected anything better after reading the authors' very first webtoon (the one before Yours to Claim, which too had bonker plot).
See yall somewhere else (maybe complaining together on Jinx).
2024-03-22 16:09 marked
"Therefore, the story existed in my ideas folder for a very long time..."

To quote another author, Mr C. Hitchens who was far more interesting and entertaining than these two: "That's also where it should have stayed"
2024-03-22 16:06 marked
Basically Cain won't have a story because his whole purpose in the world is to follow Jooin's order to live and be happy?
I never, NEVER, saw a character so poorly written.
That could have made a good premise to make his own story and maybe grow as person and character and to build a good plot around his growth and gradually taking distance from Jooin. But nah, in the end every character focus only on Jooin.
I sincerely hope the writer doesn't write anymore because they are not good at doing this. There is nothing good in this story: not the characters, not the plot, not the development.
The only thing that I wanted from this story was actually an arc for Cain, but nope we don't even deserve that?
Sorry author, but no. You have SO wronged me.
2024-03-22 16:05 marked
Well, looks like Jo just realized that Ian is most likely still in love with TJ. I personally didn’t even realize that Ian was in love with him until Jo voiced it in his head this chapter (the flashback was from chapter 15. In the flashback, Ian admits to having been in love with someone once and in this chapter 45, Jo realizes that Ian never stopped loving the person he was talking about. However Ian himself didn’t realize it and just refers to TJ as family).

For those of you who didn’t grasp it, the reason why Jo says to himself that he’s not as pure as Ian thinks he is, is because by telling Ian to respect TJ’s wishes, he’s lowkey hoping to keep them apart so he has a better chance with Ian.
2024-03-20 15:11 marked
not me just straight up reading ch 105 with no knowledge about this manhwa just for yellow haired guy. Yes, I have not read this and had not a single clue about what was going on but never the less it was CUTE!
2024-03-02 08:01 marked
a happy ending isn't always about romance & love exists in many forms including loving the world, ourselves, our family and friends! I am so happy for cain<3
2024-03-02 08:01 marked
I have a sneaking suspicion that Joohyuk behaves this way with Eun-oh because of inferiority complex. He might be the president of the art club, but I think he does his best to stay at the top, so Joohyuk doesn't get bored. It's just a speculative theory.
Well, in any case, his shitty behaviour just gave an opportunity for a third person to slip in. However, I don't think Eun-oh will stay with him. Joohyuk and Eun-oh will be endgame.
(I know Joohyuk is probably going to be super annoying for like 50 chapters, but I'm prepared. I don't want to hate him already.)

...Or the author could surprise us and Eun-oh will end up with Michelangelo's David a.k.a. Mr. Shaggy Black Haired Nude Model.

A little backstory behind Michelangelo's David :

1. Inspiration :
Michelangelo drew inspiration for this sculpture from the Biblical story of David, the tale of a young shepherd boy who saved the Israelites by slaying the warrior giant Goliath wielding only a sling and a handful of stones.

2. David’s pre-battle pose.
Traditionally, sculptors and artists portrayed David in his after victory pose — triumphant over Goliath. But, Michelangelo chose to depict David before the battle. That’s why David is tense, and at the apex of his concentration.

3. David the Hero.
David’s slingshot, which he carries over his shoulder, is almost invisible. This was done to emphasize that David’s victory was one of cleverness, and not out of force. He also exudes confidence and concentration, both values of the “thinking man”, considered as the image of perfection during the Renaissance period.


Whatever it may end up being, it will certainly be entertaining and I'm looking forward to it. (☆▽☆)
2024-02-23 18:49 marked
Now how could you have a love triangle with such a shitty ml like ain’t no way you’d consider him a potential lover
2024-02-23 18:49 marked
Why the sudden sex scene between Ian and scarface?? Why does every story has to progress with sex?? What?? A make up sex after argument?? They're not even a lover. Guess I should reread again just to understand this story again. Im getting confused
2024-02-23 18:49 marked
Telling Cain stans that we should have known Jooin and Yahwi were going to be end game isn't going to make us ship Cain and Jooin any less by the way... Cain was always the right choice man idk iykyk
2024-02-16 17:26 marked

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