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It's not just korean it's worldwide

Yes but Korea/Japan love depicting these dramatic tropes in their mangas/dramas...

Child abuse is a pretty hot topic for any entertainment platform

Mine is what you might call a "sociologic curiosity"… of course you're all right, they love depicting dramatic patterns, but… I find (maybe it's only me) a difference between japanese and korean concepts. Dramas are all about tragedies and sometimes they are simply ridiculously dramatic, that's fine, is part of the entertainment, but here I guess I hear a bell ringing. LIke it's a specific and intentional topic. Of course mine is just an impression that might be completely wrong. I'm not judging a culture I know almost nothing about. Maybe this is just not my cup of tea… thank you for your thoughts.

Idk if that would help, but in Egypt child abuse is quiet normal even to parents with no authority to be there for them. It's worse for orphans every few days we find out in the news some orphans were burnt/tortured etc.. Also sometimes they put them in jail and abuse them. Children from poor families work as servants, workers or whatever and no child communities to protect them.Children, women and LGBT are living those dramas daily and in quiet huge number, but our media prefers to ignore such thing's unlike mangaks and writers in the west/korea they highlight these issues. What I don't like that these mangas/manhwas aren't offering any solutions they just let the lead go with the flow

Yea but everyone of all races use it as a platform for the stories
It's the from Raggs to riches

Yes :/ people try to highlight these things and bring attention to them but a lot of people end up dismissing them

Why dismissing them? Because they're over used and good popcorn people don't take it seriously anymore, plus writers give their heros happy ending so why start an uproar for a daily issue where things get better by time? Korean manhwas do that IMO. They're all orphans/abused/poor/blackmailed etc.. and they get their happy ending somehow. They don't show a real approach to this issue. For example the manhwa ongoing called " this is the end " it's a BL about a blackmailed kid who suicides and now the new kid in his body fighting by attacking other kids, the more realistic solution is suicide unfortunately since no high school kid can actually beat up 90% of his school.
This manga for example Kang Jun was abused but he didn't try to report to the police, the other kid didn't tell his mother maybe she can help, nothing and probably Kang Jun was rescued by his estranged father or something. Some super power would come for him, but a real solution? Nope. Even try a solution and see if it doesn't work this time people may question those realistic methods? Nope. I hope I'm wrong though

I know xD I read that bl xD its the shit xD and what I meant that they dismiss it cause they usually always get a happy ending. It's rare when it don't go into the happy route and end up in a realistic way, being tragedy most of the time

Thank again for your answers, they are all deeply meaningful. I'm aware of the situation in Egypt, while I never read anything about Korea that was so specific, that's why it caught my attention.

We might say these authors follow the Dickens' method: they do not offer any solution and always give an happy ending, but in the meantime, they do show the problem.
What intrigues me is the fact that all of these manhwas follow the exact same pattern, so either the problem is really endemic or the authors have no fantasy at all.
I guess I felt like the right answer is the first one: they are reporting something serious in a trivial way.

Artists do not have the power to solve social issues. When they actually offer a solution, the problem has been solved before even if the public still does not realize it. Sometimes the issue is bigger than them, and provocative forms of art would be censored, so they choose the Dicken's method, that seems harmless… but it's not. Because the real goal is to enlighten people about the issue.
This is what I felt reading these stories.

"What lies in the end" has a really scary pattern, where most people get distracted by the love story forgetting anything else and, considering the story, this kind of reaction is simply disgusting, to me.

In real life, even in my country, kids commit suicide because of bullies in school (I mean, like, one a month almost every year, it makes me crazy).
It's really wrong, shouldn't they report the abuse to someone?… but in fact, they are too scared. Bullies are cowards, who always choose the "right victim", someone who is, for some reason, alone. You know what really make me angry? …the other kids watching. My mother taught me to stand for the weak, for those in trouble, always, and I didn't get into any particular drama because cowards are cowards. If a small number of people oppose them, they vanish. You have to stop them before they convert to their perversion everyone around them. It's very important to organize society in order to control these kind of issues by the law, but I personally would also teach my children to stand for other people's right like my mother did with me. That's what's all about: society is not "the others" it's "us".

Sorry, this was a sad comment. I really hate the idea of abusing someone, even though I have never been a victim myself. That's probably why I don't really get into this kind of story. The only manhwa I am really appreciating is Moritat, I guess.

I love your long and well-thought out comment xD I was bullied in school when I was younger but I never figured myself as a victim, my mother taught me to kick boys in the nuts if they ever harassed me and to stick gum in girls hair xD and yes its sad, sometimes violence becomes common people get tired and just decide to turn a blind eye

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Defenitely!!!! It is hard to wait and agonize

No prob (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

(▰˘◡˘▰) couldnt agree more. this manga touches my kokoro so bad

sorry to break your expectations, buy they actually didn't do it yet!! #－.－)
their first time will be around chap 80 as far as i know

So in the future (?) Since we are concurrently readying chapter 47.
That's fine with me! Is not like i want them in a platonic love forever&ever

yeah, and their first time is cute as heck (i've read spoilers) hehehe ヾ(☆▽☆)

thanks

You do realise that Tae Min is currently inside Si Won's body now, right? Woo Jin never met Si Won before he 'commited suicide', so he essentially has no knowledge of Si Won's personality; he just knows him from the rumours floating around school. My guess as to why he beat him up would be that technically Tae Min (Si Won) did annoy him first and Woo Jin was in a pissy mood? He didn't beat him up for being a slut - as I said, he had little interest, if not none at all, in Si Won before his personality change. What I'm trying to say that what Woo Jin did wasn't bullying with a specific target in mind, it was more like he was in a shit mood and Si Won annoyed him. Remember: Si Won (Tae Min) was the one who barged into the classroom Woo Jin was having a private phonecall in, didn't leave when asked to, and forcefully silenced him. Also, Woo Jin does get nicer to Si Won as the story continues.

I'm not trying to defend Woo Jin from what he did because it was horrible. But what you're saying is very biased and spiteful and I think you're the one failing to take into account a lot of other things. Woo Jin wasn't part of the bullies.

Even though I don't hate Woon Jin's character and do want him to end up with Tae Min, and even though I think it's wrong not to give people a second chance, I have to say I disagree with you there: at this current point in the story (chap. 10), what OP is saying is not biased, it's calling things what they are.
It doesn't matter whether he wasn't part of the bullies before, he became another bully the moment he chose to believe the rumors and treat Si Won in accordance with what the rumors said. He called him worthless, etc, which IS bullying, AND he used excessive violence on a person who has recently woken from a really long coma, and who is smaller than him.

Ever heard of catharsis? People like fiction, even with horrible situations and characters, because it gives them the chance to deal with even their worst fears in a "safe" environment. Liking a character that is so horrible you would never like him in real life also is a way of feeling "in control" over the character, and through it, boost the feeling that you may gain greater control over situations with people that overwhelm you in real life, and make it so that even horrible people can change. It is an illusion, but there's nothing wrong with that. It even has therapeutic value since that's why many therapists even use role-playing to help people get over their traumas.

Try to "CHILLAX" a bit ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Oh really? How the hell do you know why he acts like that? Did you go inside his brain or something? Did you hear it come out of his mouth or something? If you don't like this community, then don't say shit and just ignore us. It's not hard. This is YAOI, aka FICTITIOUS GAY PORN WITH A PLOT. We WANT it to happen. It WILL happen. Get over it, loser.

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Seriously? I was going to disagree hugely with the original poster despite the fact that I felt that the blonde dude was a bit of a jerk, myself. But with everyone trying to be all politically correct (because what YOU are doing is political correctness, not what another poster incorrectly deemed it to be. Political correctness is not daring to offend mainstream society by telling them that they can't get away with what they always expected they should be able to get away with in their little fantasy worlds), I may just have to agree with them, entirely.

And, yes, fiction REFLECTS real life. Where do you think authors get their ideas, if not real life, sweetie pies? And they write for real life audiences. Otherwise why would we get real life people applying the same fantasy thinking in what is SUPPOSED to be the real world to the fictional world, too? Or are you going to tell me you're just a figment of my imagination, too?

I mean, seriously, I read manga like this because I enjoy it, even if some of the characters do turn out to be jerks. And yes I DO understand that they are jerks even in the fictional world. When I see them get what they deserve I cheer. If I don't I stew over it. That is precisely WHAT makes the stories so interesting.

If you get so easily offended by someone merely pointing out YOUR OWN fantasy style thinking (NOT the actual failings of the book itself, which is what you WOULD have seen if you would actually COMPREHEND what you read) then why don't you follow your own advice and just... not read it...?

This would be good advice for KattCleo and Mameiha as well.

And at LEAST the translator didn't dismiss the OP point of view out of hand by saying it's just fiction. I love you translator-san! You explained the one point I was going to address that originally made me uncomfortable about this person's interpretation of events before I read the rest of the posts. Yes, that is the one thing that saves me from thinking that Woo Jin is a complete and utter jerk. He is still somewhat like what the OP has originally accused him of being but not completely for the reasons you gave.

not liking it is one thing, but as you can clearly see, ms/mr blackdia, not only criticized the contents of the manga, but insulted the readers as well. if you're going to directly insult the readers/community, that is when we have a problem. but true, i did get a little pissed, but that because these types seem to be literally everywhere preaching this stuff; it got kind of hard to ignore, like NYC train preachers. also, who's KattCleo and Memeiha?

you want to know where authors get their ideas? from literally everywhere. reality is not the only place, sweetie pie. in fact, there's more than just reality and fiction. there's the cyber world and one's imagination. there are some things that would seem completely out of place when put in a realistic environment, and that is because that thing is not made up of realistic elements. (though, this manwha is TRYING to be realistic, it's failing in a terribly obvious way, but that fail is completely intentional.) now that stuff aside, you do not understand something, something about the concept behind getting offended. now what does that mean? to be offended means you perceive something someone says or does as an insult or something malevolent towards you. now the problem is not that that person got offended, it's what the aggressor has said that causes that offense. now to get to the main point. what the original post said was an insult to ME & MY COMMUNITY, not the manwha. that insult made me get offended. therefore, i retaliated. it's simple stuff, really. objects and people are completely different things. it's easy to ignore insults to objects, but hard to ignore insults to people. would just ignore someone calling somebody else an insult like "nigger, terrorist, crazy feminist", or just plain insulting terms? or would you stand up for them? there's a point where you cannot ignore something anymore.

Oh btw, I COMPLETELY understand what is happening in the manwha, and since it is not real life and only fiction, I also happen to COMPLETELY accept it. In my world, this book hasn't failed in any way other than projecting what happens in real life, which is not it's main purpose is anyway.

I do realise it. Thanks for the correct mentioning of theirs names, I always seem to forget (clearly Corean wouldn't bee a good studying option for me).

My disappointment seems to come exactly from that. Woo Jin could not even remotely imagine it was his old friend in front of him. Clearly Si Won (Tae Min) acted a little crazy, but outside the room they were hunting him, and they could hear that from the inside. Woo Jin saw in him what the prejudice suggested him to see: a guy who's trying to play with him. Honestly, in that situation, with all the school tormenting Si Won, the first hypothesis should have been "he's trying to hide himself"....what we see in other's actions speaks for ourselves, not for them.

Woo Jim met a guy who he knows is in troubles. A guy who has just survived attempted suicide because of those troubles. Still, since he is irritated, hee jumps to the wrong conclusion.

The fact here, is that they are supposed to believe real Si Won has just survived suicide: this is not a small detail.
Someone who's ready to attacks such a fragile person is despicable.
I never thought Woo Jin was part of the bullies. But his action shocked me.
In his past he had been a victim , too.
He had been saved.
The fact that the guy he's beating now hides Tae Min inside, is of no relevance

Here what counts is the value of his individual action.

Let's assume he instinctively recognised Tae Min - that's almost my impression. He's irritated because the one who once was is ideal, now seems weak and miserable.

If this is the way he grew up as a man, beauty is all he's got.

Okay, okay. I don't think you've completely understood the story so far (also, Corean -> Korean).

Woo Jin can't even start to imagine that Tae Min would be in Si Won's body (especially at this point) because that's impossible in real life. If you met someone who reminded you of someone you knew, would you automatically think that it's them in that person's body? (+ there's another reason but it's a spoiler). Also, Woo Jin couldn't hear the fight; the bullies ganged up on Si Won outside the school and then he ran into the school afterwards. On top of that, Woo Jin was having a phone call with someone. I doubt that he was really aware of the whole memory loss thing either at this point.

As I said before, he didn't beat Si Won up because he thought he was a slut trying to get him to sleep with him. He only did that because he was irritated and Si Won bothered him.

He has a complicated past with Tae Min. He obviously also had something difficult going on which made him change. As Min Jun said, however, Woo Jin isn't the type to go around punching and bullying everyone - even though he's strong enough to. If he wanted to bully Si Won, wouldn't you think that he would've done so before he committed suicide? (+while it is true that Si Won survived suicide, he's not Si Won anymore)

More about their past and why Woo Jin grew up to be like this comes out later on. So I just want to say it might be too early for you to jump to conclusions like this.

Thanks for the tip ;) I always appreciate when I learn something more.

I don't want people to necessarily accept nor share my point of view. By saying he instinctively recognised his old friend, by no means I meant he consciously thought "this is my friend Tae Min in someone else's body". Please read again my comment. If you don't agree that's perfectly fine with me.

I don't like those who call themselves sensitive but are actually easy on getting upset. If you punch someone who just survived am attempted suicide, you are not a decent person.

My first impression (of course it might be wrong) is that it's his instinct being disappointed because, as above, he unconsciously recognised him.
Might it be or not, I don't like someone acting like that. That's where my first comment came from

if we wanna show a restrictive mentality we use it always or never.
Again, I'm aware the story might take any turn. But this kind of pattern tends to be predictable.
And I don't like when a bastard turns into a hero. I find much more honest when a son of a bitch is depicted as a rude son of a bitch. The story then may result heavier to read, but sure it will be less immoral.
People get easily offended... but rarely they reflect on which part of a statement really hurt.

Unnecessary to be said, I appreciate this mangaka. No one reads so many chapters out of boredom. But sometimes we like things because they make us think
In this case... whatIi think, is that the public reaction is extremely interesting.

I read all of the comments, of course, but I'm not interested in personal attacks. Mine was not. If someone felt involved... ask yourself why.

I'm really sorry but I... I don't really get what you're trying to say. If your point was that you don't necessarily want others to accept your views then cool, same. It's just that your point of view was, long story short, wrong. Woo Jin did not instinctively see Tae Min in Si Won. He fails to do this >>at this point<<. Obviously he allows himself to see the clear connection between the two later on but at this point (I assume you're talking about when he kicked Si Won) he is only reminded of his past 'friend' Tae Min by Si Won's new ego. That is not 'unconsciously recognising him'. There's literally no reason for Woo Jin to treat Si Won nicely, and less so if he even knew that it was actually Tae Min he was dealing with because of their complicated past....I think. Maybe you should go read my comment again! As for why he acted like that (Again, I assume you're talking about how he punched Si Won) - I explained a lot of times.

As of now (chapter 17) there's not a load of progress between the two and their relationship but I can tell you this much: Woo Jin is nowhere near a hero figure yet. I mean, he does get a lot nicer but not a hero. However, I do get a hint that what Woo Jin did was perfectly reasonable and there's a lot of backstory. I personally think that the phonecall is going to be quite important? But yeah, as I said, you may see him as a rude son of a bitch but that rude son of a bitch also has his own reasons and backstory and all that stuff. Honestly, I actually found myself feeling sorry for him later on in chapter 12? I think? and 13. And even without that stuff, Woo Jin is not a bastard.

About personal attacks and how you said your first comment was not one... very interesting. Because what you said just insulted a whole community, and on top of that you called what they do 'bullshit' and called Woo Jin a 'piece of shit'. If that isn't a personal attack then I'm not too sure what is one, since someone must've felt personally offended by your comment.

I think your whole argument just stems from the fact that you know less about the story than I do which is 100% not your fault. You can obviously say your own opinions and theories about this series but in the future, please be mindful of what you say and try not to hurt anyone with your words.

I get where you're coming from because even though I myself have sometimes jumped on the "hate all rapist-characters in Yaoi" band-wagon here in this site, it does tend to get annoying at times, especially when it seems we posters here don't react the same way with bullies and other non-rapist-but-equally-horrible characters.
In short, I get why you're saying it does seem a bit hypocritical. I don't think you're completely wrong, but I do think you went about it completely in the wrong way. First, because this story's just started, and by judging the characters so quickly you're acting just like the rabid anti-rapist movement here that you're trying to criticize. Second because, I don't see much success in the enterprise of asking people to behave and think rationally on the Internet, let alone when they're reading yaoi and shounen ai, and even less so if you do it through a rant.
All in all, I do hope you at least got the chance to vent some steem through all this!
After all, that's one of the reasons many of us come to this site. ;-)

Same here...

I know it's silly to complain, but I want Azusa so bad. I miss his intense temper. And his natural elegance, too.

That feeling after reading the first chapter on Atsumo (please God, never again) then Tatsumi (good God thanks but really, I don't need it)...I only want to see Azusa making that bastard bowing in front of him.

Me too.

(and I like your comments).

:)

I MISS HIM TOO, MY BEAUTIFUL SON

Just wait and see. Feilong is arriving... ^^ Don't lose patience :)

ehm… I guess I lost patience a long time ago. But I know I can't resist Feilong. He's probably my favorite yaoi character ever. Actually, he's the only reason I keep on reading this… he's perfect. A dream I had in my mind who came to life.

I feel you. I only keep reading for the ramen stand owner in Body Chase. He's my ideal. I live for the day sensei wakes up and realizes he's the real engine driving this manga. I need him back on the page, slinging his noodles.

I like his character too. Do you know that he inspired me in inventing some characters for the original stories that I sometimes write? :)

Then you are of the same club reading this story because of really minor characters like Takato and Kou? I admire your temper. Just let me say this: Feilong is an important character, if you don't see this, it is your trouble not mine.

Very nice! What I meant was somehow similar; he looks like a character in one of my novel, and even is a mafia man as my own character is. But the real thing is that he physically looks like him, that shocked me in the beginning. So, either he's a platonic ideal or he's a somehow banal idea but both ways I adore him, I can't avoid emphatizing with him. Akihito has the worst taste ever… no, wait… Asami too. They deserve each other! If they don't know what to do with my beautiful Fei, I'll take him in gladly.

I don't want to shock you, but in a long story that I wrote, I transformed him into a girl, the idealized girlfriend of my teen years. *0*

which language do you use when writing? I'd totally love to read that if possible ;)

Italian :)

And what is the language you use? :)

te lo dico così: yeppe!! ma pensa un po'! eheheh! Un po' me l'immaginavo, non so perché, il tuo inglese è molto superiore a quello dell'italiano medio ╮(￣▽￣)╭

sorry everybody for writing in another language out of enthusiasm, I know it's rude, I will never do it again.

Non mi dire! A dire la verità io vivo negli Stati Uniti. Se ti interessa leggere quello di cui ti ho parlato ti posso mandare un PM. Che bello trovare altri italiani da queste parti. (≧∀≦)

Sorry everybody - international affairs. ;)

I would love to read it (づ￣ ³￣)づ