blackdia's Topics (114)

Cut him some slack, he led a hard life with his a**hole father and all.. So i dont think he will end his life for a petty reason like a stranger he met for a couple of months fooled him because that jerk was lonely and he conveniently look like his gf or that girly excuse of him regreting not choosing chun sam (come on hes much more deeper than that) .. Remember his father drove him out of his apartment saying he is just atrash without his father and chun sam at that time was meeting that girl min gyeom assume was his girlfriend so basically he has no one to rely on except that guy .. And him being betrayed just cemented the last trust he have to anyone and just chosing to end it all.. And you were also right about him being manipulative and feeling a little superior with chun sam (he even said it himself) but didnt he learn from his selfish mistakes (didnt he get his karma by being led on by that jerk)

I know his not the most loveable character here (even i dont like him that much) but at the very least understand his character more cause from what i read i dont think you did,sorry

Good point. You know my stand is that I think they are both messing with each other (I don't mean that I dislike the characters when I say things like that--I just mean neither one is an innocent victim). I think Jesse's knife means something too--and the way he has one eye covered.

I have suspected that may they are half brothers (don't mind me, every time characters look alike I want to make them related). At any rate, I think the "photo-negative" effect of their appearances is on purpose. Jesse's character is more logical and Laws a bit more emotional, but they are both beautiful bastards.

well in Moritat, Jesse was the victim but there is a theory that suggests that almost everything (specifically Law's perspective in Moritat)is quite the opposite of the reality. So yeah your point is a one of the strong possibility.

...I thought they might be brothers too, at some point.

I love this story to the extent I don't really want to speculate on the end, I just want to enjoy the ride, but I can't avoid some superficial impressions, like… the Moritat they are in has not been manipulated by Law but Jesse. He loves Law in his twisted way, so let's suppose he wanted him to believe he's in charge and just went along pretending he's in his hands, but the real creator of the game… it's still him.
Once they will "wake up" into reality, what will Law see, when he watches the man who was willing to show him his own humiliation in order to make him feel completely in control?…

How madly are they "in love" with each other?
Are they at all? Or not? … it's like I still don't want to know.
The author really provides us with a lot of details, but I'm forcing myself to ignore them, I don't want to spoil the sequel. This is a masterpiece, I love it.

if they were brothers there would be an incest tag

I could be wrong--but if it were not revealed, no one would know to tag it. Either way, I want to know who Law's bio-dad is and why his mom is so sure the Browns will never really love and value Law as they do 'one of their own' no matter how they act right now.

I agree but did you just compare what Woojin and hitler did

I mean you're right!! Of course you can't excuse one's behavior just because he had a troubled past, but it doesn't mean you can't be comprehensive. I would like to point out that being comprehensive doesn't mean agreeing. For example, I could be comprehensive if someone would seek revenge for whatever justified reasons, but it doesn't mean I agree with it.
And I don't think everyone with bad attitude had a troubled past. Moreover a troubled past like "My parents think too much of my studies" and a troubled past like "my parents hit me daily and locked me up in a shred" usually (i'm saying usually) don't have the same repercussions.
Also I'll say it again but comparing Woojin bc he felt nothing when watching a rape video to Hitler is kinda (KINDA) exaggerated

Agreed.

omg yes of course because genocide = emotional blunting

I can't speak for everyone, but my reason for disliking Woojin has nothing to do with his reaction or lack there of to the video, and everything to do with the way he acted after his phome call was interrupted by "Si Won", a person that he knew had just woken up from a comma AND had been previously gang-raped: by viciously humiliating him and beatting up unconscious. If he'd just punched him in the face and broken his nose I wouldn't be half this mad.

lmfao what the fuck do you realize that taemin was the one who 1. rudely barged into the classroom that woojin was having an important phonecall in and then 2. didn't leave when woojin asked him to and THEN 3. forcefully silenced him???

Yeah, so what? In what book does that warrant knocking someone out cold without it being absolute overkill?

oh really? then please justify why taemin had to cause a chin fracture that lasted a week for the redhair. he actually fucking broke his chin, please explain why he had to do that.

How is the red haired dude and his friends actively harassing and threatening Tae Min in any way similar to Tae Min's rudeness towards Woo Jin during that phome call? If you're talking the red haired dude of chapter 5, the guy had been harassing him, and, Tae Min said, he didn't show up alone to teach Tae Min a lesson, but brought all his friends to corner him, and even asked him to kneel in front of him.

no, im asking you to explain his overreaction towards the situation just like you're saying woojin has done to taemin.

Breaking the chin of one of the bullies who cornered you in an isolated place and threatened to beat you up, so many against one, is not overreacting, it's defending yourself against a potentially dangerous situation. But there's no way Woo Jin could seriously have felt that threatened by Si Won. Recent comma aside, did you see the difference in height and size between Woo Jin and Si Won?

I'm the first two anon (i forgot to put my pseudo)
Yea i found him so violent too :0 i don't understand his reaction tbh,, there's probably an explanation but i don't think they would be enough to excuse this behavior bUT ppl change and maybe he'll change enough in a good way (with the good influence of taemin maybe?) in order for me to forgive him?? To be honest I really want to like Woojin that's why I'm kinda defending him (i believe in the translator for not liking him only for his looks and also bc i really liked the beginning of this webtoon so i hope i won't be disappointed) even tbh for the moment it's a bit complicated,, let's have faith

I agree. I just don't get why some people expect me to whole-heartedly like a character that the author clearly wants us to see as flawed and in need of some serious character development. Disliking the current Woo Jin doesn't mean it's impossible for me to start liking him once I see that character development. I'm intrigued as to what the author is planning to do with this troublesome character. That's what reading a story is about.
I mean, I read the whole novel of "Gone with the wind", beginning it with a passionate hate for the protagonist Scarlett O'Hara's initial self-serving personality, and ending it with a fanatical love for the way she was able to mature and realize her own short-comings... That's what being a good reader is about: evolving yourself along with the story.

I couldn't agree more with you!!

after I came home tonight, reading your reactions made my curiosity bigger than before.

i'm more curious about how u didn't understand and/or acknowledge everything said (r00d) and that u don't deny comparing a genocide with woojin's lack of reaction,, and maybe u didn't want to put it like that but said this way it is as if hitler's actions were made out of egoism but haha killing millions of ppl doesn't make u selfish it makes u fucking mAD i don't have the accurate words to describe it but yea (this is so disgusting ahsksksk)
i mean your only argument is that hitler's abusive childhood can't excuse what he's done?? but of course since NOTHING can excuse what he has done???? but what did woojin? he didn't react to a rape video. of course it's a fucking problem and of course it is disgusting for me and it should be for most of us but comparing that FICTIONAL problematic behavior to a REAL thing that happened (and that was 1000 times more disgusting) isn't very valid.
also we're trying to be comprehensive of woojin more because we think he might have a mental illness than because he just had a – to pick up your terms – "troubled past". we also never said that his actions were legitimate, but rather that maybe we could try to analyze the character more into depth before hating on him.
u also say it as if it was a sin to be egoist?? like have you never been selfish in your life or are you a saint maybe? each person is different and has a different way to handle things, it's like saying "you don't have the right to be sad because i had it worse than you and i'm not sad". of course the best would be that your actions don't compromise other people's wellbeing and you have the right not to forgive ppl who do that because mental illness doesn't excuse everything for sure (i mean i'm freaking mad at woojin for hitting siwon in the first chaps). probably you didn't mean bad in everything you said, but don't look down on people because they want to understand others more or be more forgiving or be more comprehensive. not all people with an abusive childhood committed a genocide. and i'll say it one last time, understanding doesn't mean agreeing.
thanks

Do you not understand WHY he 'rudely' barged into the classroom? TO AVOID THE FUCKING BULLIES. Then you go on to claim that he overreacted when he broke the red-haired bullies CHIN? It seems to me that you would blame Tae Min not matter WHAT he did. So, of course, you couldn't make a point if it was to find your way out of a paper bag.

He didn't leave the room, FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON. So, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, eh?

Do you not know how to argue logically... at all?

Shun, nice name btw, but please, breath. How can you write such a long comment based on a single line? Feel free to go on as you like.

My reaction to Woo Jin has much to do with his own reaction to the video, and because he punched Si Won in the stomach without thinking about why he was possibly in the room, in the first place as well as other reasons.

I mean, Si Won heard the voices of the people chasing him, why didn't Woo Jin? I will not blame him for punching Si Won in the stomach even though he had been gang raped, because Woo Jin didn't know he had been gang raped. His comment in regards to Si Won's brother's statement about him being true, proves that.

The reason I have that reaction toward the video incident is because it makes his admiration for Tae Min seem somewhat less than what it actually is. He loves Tae Min because he was the first person to stand up for him, something we all came to understand through the very first flashbacks. And he finally stood up for himself for that very reason. Which means he wanted to be like Tae Min. And he is as FAR APART from being like Tae Min as he ever will be. So, his words and actions do not line up, and that is why I despise him over that incident. I hope everyone gets it, *now*...?

How can YOU write such a SHORT comment based on such long comments, then? Your responses were and are very dismissive and rude. Is that SHORT enough for you, now? Or would you actually prefer now that I was more long winded? Oops?

I disagree that a situation being fictional or whether or not someone has a mental illness should have anything to do with it but all the rest I do agree with you on.

Yes, I realize that I was disagreeing with you on a different thread, earlier, but I think our arguments seem to more closely align with each other's on this particular thread. :D

Yeah, he forcefully silenced him TO AVOID THE SAME FUCKING bullies that you then go on to complain about him overreacting towards in a later altercation. OOPS???

And, again, he forcibly silenced him to avoid those SAME FUCKING BULLIES. Whom you then go on in a disapproving manner to complain about because he broke the chin of one of the bullies because he WASN'T avoiding then at the time. Thanks for proving blackdia's point rather than disproving it like WE are. Oops????

thanks Sachiko! (also yea we might no agree on everything but i'm taking your opinion into account as well!!)
i didn't only respond to op's single-line comment but rather to the original comment. but seems like they don't like to read so next time i won't bother giving my opinion or answer their """"curiosity""""" :)

Hope it was short enough for you as an answer btw! ^^

Yup. It was. But I like both short and long answers. :D

As for the second last comment you made. yeah, I'm gonna mute this topic the next time I have a chance. And it really irks me when someone asks for an explanation and when they get it, in probably the only way that would make sense, they whine about how they didn't get it in the way THEY wanted. I mean, seriously? I can be bombastic but nowhere near as rude as some of these types of posters.

in case you do not understand it, I'm bored by this aggressive attitude (you're showing too, so spare me) every time someone writes something that does not correspond to the extremely predictable psychological basic needs of this chat. My comment stays, if you dislike it, I'm perfectly fine with it. But if you answer me with a million lines-long comment that is rude in its essence, I don't feel like I should reward you being nice in any possible way.

All of you should stop pretending you're playing to the rules and accept when someone says clear that they don't like something. Their dislike does not affect your liking in any way.

The Hitler mention that fascinated so many people( apparently) was a rhetorical figure of speech. The fact that someone took their time being irritated by it instead of asking themselves if the statement made any sense (or not) is amazing.

I'm pleased I've been called rude by one of you (or more of you, yours is the last comment on my section and this time is the only one I read).

Political correctness is the most pathetic thing ever. You're all here defending a bastard and talk about being polite. It's unbelievable.

Btw, when he was a teenager, Hitler was nicer than him.
A despicable character is not meant to be nice. Except in manhwas, where poetical faith becomes automatically a form of idiocy.

It would be interesting to debate this form of art but the nature of the comments itself kills the interest, for me. If we have to be all worried about being rude because blah blah blah, when we're actually talking about an asshole (an HOT asshole, that's it) well, I wrote too much, hope you like it.

Wherever you are, have a nice day.

Perhaps this explains why you don't understand and claim others are being rude when YOU are the one who is being rude: and that is that you CLEARLY don't read or are incapable of reading. So sad. After all, I have REPEATEDLY stated that I am not a fan of Si Woon's character. Where does that fall into DEFENDING him? HMMM...? That's right, it doesn't.

ESPECIALLY since I am disproving your 'point' that everyone seems to fall in love with Si Woon and thinks he can do no wrong. Must not have read THAT part, either, I'm guessing.

And the REASON I said you were rude is because you were. You dismissed clear explanations regarding your OP without explaining as to WHY you still stuck with your original interpretation. Then wonder why someone could POSSIBLY take umbrage at that, when they, up to this point, had patiently AND, yes, COURTEOUSLY spent the time EXPLAINING it to you? And it is THAT response of YOURS which eventually lead to that OTHER comment of yours along the lines of how someone can respond with a great wall of text to your own relatively short comment. HENCE my comment about how it was rude to have ORIGINALLY responded to someone's ANSWER to your question with such a short and dismissive comment from *your* end.

Also, some people take things literally because of a disability they have. So, since it took you up until now to make that distinction, you can either admit to being ableist as well as rude, now, or apologize for making that comparison. Considering how things have been going, I'm pretty sure I can guess which choice YOU'LL make. Amirite? HMMM?

Finally, people have simply been answering your question until YOU decided to make it about something else. And this IS a public forum. So if YOU want people to stop responding in a manner YOU don't like, you can stop responding to people, yourself, because YOU are the one who asked the question, in the *first place, and YOU are the one who drew it into the direction YOU deemed inappropriate in the *first* place. Oops?

Kthxeffingbainow. And, yes, this will be all you hear from me. I can be the better person and keep my promises. Because I'm sure YOU will keep responding to this. So sad, seeing such hypocrisy.

Uhmm this is just chapter 17, not 170. I think if they get together right now it would be wayyy to soon and there would be comments complaining or saying they don't want the story to end (which is totally understandable) .-.
We only frustrate about this because we are ones who read the manga when it's not complete, we have yet to get the whole experience, what the author wants to offer in the next chapters. But think about those times when we finish a 50+ chapter manga where the couples get together in chap 30 or so and we still think it's worth the read .-. If you think about it again, this story doesn't have that much trauma and miscommunication between characters compared to many other ones... its level of sadness is kinda 'average' (in a good way)
I'm pretty sure if you skip all the updates and come back once it's finished you might get a much better experience ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I think so too.

Well, I hope YES, because the only other option that comes to my mind if it's not him (the twin) would be Woo-Jin... Now, THAT would be awful...

I think so too (⊙…⊙ )

They said his name in the film and it wasn't his brothers name it was some other guy

Ok I want to just know, clarify and learn some things. Firstly yes they are twins but doesnt the younger brother call Yoon tae Min "hyung" (or something's like that) can't he call him something else I think it begins with a c can't remember which mean they were born of the same year? I think the word was "chingu" I can't remember tho...

the names is a problem for me（￣へ￣）that's why normally i reread them all and I make some schematics too... (￣∇￣")

I considered that, too, but I think it should be impossible. In the beginning, Woo-Jin is irritated by the impression he (Tae Min)'s being slutty, like some people say about him.
If he were that director, there would be no reason for him to wonder whether Tae Min gave his ass to other guys or not, he would just know it for sure.

Then, I must be honest, I don't like Woo-Jin but… that is not his character. His aggressiveness expresses itself trough detachment, not brutality. It's been said that his violent reaction against Tae Min is a unique, right?

About the name they use in the movie to address the director: considering the nature of it, they might be using a nick, to avoid future problems.

That bastard. I really dislike him, but I still hope it's not him. To let (or even provoke someone) to rape your own brother it's too much.