blackdia's Topics (114)

"some grateful uke who adores his raper'' HAHAAHAHAH

superlol, thanks to your reply I re-read my own comment and I discovered I wrote "else" for "less" OMG! Yaoi Gods bless this community where even the worst typos are allowed (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

HAHAHHAHA TRUEEEEEEE

I disagree, I think their relationship is so many things and that humiliation factor is one of them.

100% agree!!! Seeing the last chapter I realize how naive I was to ever expect some kind of development from this manga.
Also, after reading other works of Ogawa Chise, it's pretty clear that a "plot twist" is not her thing, and that 'revenge' actually equals 'submission' in her mangas!

100% agree not only did I completely forget about this manga, I got bored with it. I'm sure if it's because of the time lapse or the story seems to be going no where.

100% agree not only did I completely forget about this manga, I got bored with it. I'm sure if it's because of the time lapse or the story seems to be going no where.

This is so true. It seems like Ogawa isn't focused with the main story here.

But how? Why? Jiwook still looks like someone who is jealous of Siwon. I still think theyre twins but siwon is better and smarter and liked more by their parents so he is jealous and stuff so he plotted something fishy to get rid of siwon

it's my little theory. I'm pretty curious to verify it myself. This episode, with Jiwook being scared by his supposed armless brother, confirm it somehow. It's like they are both in the wrong place.

Hmm.. good theory tho I think jiwook is scared bc he once feel inferior to siwon csuse hes better or well likec more, and he is scared to experience that again

That might be also true. My hypothesis comes from previous impressions. I think Jiwook does not act like he is supposed to, as if he doesn't want to confront himself with Siwon not because he dislikes him, but because he's actually scared of him. He talks to himself like someone who's scared to the bone. And I highly doubt the sweet "real" Siwon we all have in mind was trying to seduce Siwoon. Not, it wasn't him who sought after Siwoon. It was Jiwook. The real Siwon was supposed to be a gentle nature, not someone able to keep a grunge against his brother to the point of switching body with someone like Taemin just to get revenge. I see something furious in this initial event. I don't think it "just happened". Taemin soul was caught by Siwon's. But why, I wonder.

Hmm, okay, I think I CAN get behind that theory. Even if I have disagreed with you in the past, I shouldn't have immediately assumed that you were talking about something I consider completely off-base. Except that I am still wondering about the expression that this Ji Wook said his brother made while staring in the mirror and us seeing SI WON smirking, instead, in an earlier chapter? What do you think might be the explanation for that? Because, presumably, Jiwook and Siwon would have switched places just after the accident.

The mirror scene was actually the one which "convinced" me of my theory (that, of course, is probably wrong, but it amuses me, for now…)… I had the strong impression that the one in the mirror was Siwon because it was Siwon even on the other side. I wanted to look at it and offer you a better explanation, but it seems like I'm unable to find it - was it not at the end of a recent chapter?… do you know which one, maybe? Anyway, in case I'm right, that would mean that the raped one was Jiwook; I think Siwon succeeded in taking a serious revenge on his brother, but instead of getting rid of him, he found himself with Taemin. If Siwon managed to switch places with his brother, what a nightmare must it be having him alive and so changed? Sorry for my bad english, I'm practically sleeping by this time, I did my best.

what about this year then? (⌒▽⌒)

I actually meant a calendar year, well aware I was generating confusion. My fault for being lazy!

Btw… we'll see! This kind f well-built plot is hard to beat, for me.

You know his taking those flowers back to Japan with him lol XD

Yeah, but Kei is still letting another man lean on his shoulder. I'll be happier when he learns to make them back off like Jin does. At least this time Kei's face looks unhappy with the intrusion.

I feel you though. Kei used to be one of my faves. I guess I still haven't quite gotten over the fact that only Shingo apologized last time when Kei should not have let Angelo act like that. I wanted to see Kei react like Jin did (or at least acknowledge that he should have done so). But I don't really doubt Kei so much as I think he handled it the wrong way and then let Shingo take all the blame. If love means never having to say you are sorry, Shingo should have to be sorry either. :P

But Kei does look cute with the plushie. I'll forgive him because he's hot.

Oh I think she'll continue with them ( Shingo and Kei)... Starting in may-june, a new series (or so is what I got from her blog and horrible translation from Google). She's also my favorite (she's my goddess) and I'll never get tired of this universe!!

Does Angelo has any shame or self respect at all? He knows that Kei and Shingo are together. To me it's more like Kei doesn't even bother to stop him because he knows it doesn't even work.

Well, no Angelo has no shame. But Kei should stop him out of respect for Shingo and himself--not because it would work. :)

It's kinda ironic. While Angelo accuses his "lover" cheating, he shamelessly flirts with anything that moves. :v

Flirts, blackmails for dates, kisses...yeah, Angelo: the victim of love. I can't wait to see how a story would make me like him. :)

I don't think even a story of his own would make me like him. When I saw his lover first thing that I tought was "how could you love someone like him?"(●￣(ｴ)￣●)

Guys, you're being heartless ;)
Poor Angelo, is more than a victim, he's pathetic: I can't hold a grudge against him any longer. He's way too pitiful.

Not to talk about a man that abruptly spreads out a church's door to rescue him! "Danny"?!? I mean, really, let's stop talking about them. I DON'T want to read about Angelo ever again, even though I'm 101% sure we will, if there will be a sequel.

Anoni, I remembered your position about Kei, and I respect it. I can understand where you come from, but the problem is just another one, for me. I don't think Keiichi left Angelo do anything, he just stoically endured his vulgar pressure, but he was entirely detached from what was happening. Not for one second he betrayed Shingo, quite the opposite, from my point of view, he needed Shingo more than ever, because all of his strength was drained going through his time with Angelo. But he was unable to express himself, as he always is. Ei and Jin are not comparable with Shingo and Keiichi, they are so much more sophisticated. In my eyes, Ei is the ideal man in this entire saga, as well as Keiichi is not. His main characteristic is a deeply rooted desire of being loved. Keiichi fails in being perfect because he's not. Nor is Shingo. They complete each other, and they will need a long, long time to grow up together. On the other hand, Ei and Jin are mature and their love is, from any point of views, much more adult. But it didn't come for free. I think Shingo should learn how to underline when his lover treats him as he did here (this unforgettable horrible scene…) :
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kuroneko_kareshi_no_itoshikata/mf/v01/c006/19/
In my opinion, they still have a long road above them. This form of disrespect for the other one's feelings is the most serious, to me. It is where even the rest comes from. But, apparently, they are both too scared inside to jump directly to a place where they will act as mature people. Even though they hurt each other, they instinctively always knew they were cut from the same frame… let's call it their animal instinct. And now they are trying to change for each other's sake. This is more romantic than being perfect. Shingo and keiichi are imperfect.

What I really love about Sakyo Aya is that she's not afraid of portraying disfunctional characters, without the necessity of turning them into entirely twisted ones. That's much more banal than drafting the complicated sides of human psyche.
Kei and Shingo are much more real than the astonishing Ei. But, from the comments I read during these past months, neither Ei is enough for the readers. They want him to apologize for holding a guy he wasn't even really interested in during his youth, when he was able to stand by his beloved's side when he married someone else. I think this is extremely interesting.

In the end, Ei always does the right thing: neither of them have to apologize. Their past is what happened to them. What really counts is what people are able to do of what happened to them, not the happening itself… (yes, this line is not mine).

Damn, I love her. I need more of all of them, Angelo excluded. That's why I know I'll get more Angelo.

you my friend have my respect i agree with each and every word that you have said we Angelo is non existent to me so i don't care about him much but kei and shingo and ei and jin i love them my fav are kei and shingo well they mess sometimes but their relationship is something i really love its like they fit together in perfectly imperfect way .

That's why I like Shingo&Kei more, they're not perfect. Ei and Jin knew each other for how many years? Almost for all of their life, unlike Kei and Shingo who are dating for what 2 years? So it's natural for them to be more compatible with years of experience and understanding which Kei and Shingo doesn't have. Also Jin and Kei were raised separately, imo Jin had a very strict upbringing unlike Kei so, it's normal for them to be different.
Imo it's unfair to compare them together because of that, of course knowing someone for 20 something years is not equal to 2.

Please, don't misunderstand me, I wasn't comparing them in order to diminish Kei/Shingo. It's true what you say - time shouldn't be underestimated as a crucial factor, but it works in both senses, and what Ei endured to me is much more spectacular than all Kei/Shingo's tragedies, that end in a few weeks because their urge to screw is larger than reason.
Ei proved a deep devotion that I think exists in real life, but it's pretty rare to see. I'm not saying it is better than Kei and Shingo's love for each other, it's just more mature.

I still feel like nothing has been really told us about Keiichi. I want to know more about his upbringing, but I think that won't happen. There is where the deep difference lies. I want to know more about their parents. We have been informed they are still alive, so where the hell are they?…

Their family must be a complete mess, that's why Kei didn't want Shingo to become his own…. because he associated the word "family" with something sad where he was not allowed to express his feelings. I know Keiichi is rude sometimes, but I think he's learning the meaning of the word "family" from Shingo. Shingo believed he was nothing more than an abandoned child - someone who had been discarded, someone undesirable, but for Keiichi he is the only desirable creature in the world. Never forget that, for him, he was willing to cut all ties with his original family.
Now, this is not an healthy relationship, but sure it's touching.

At the end of this story, even Jin learnt something from Shingo. Jin is such a classy man, but somehow, Shingo has more dignity than anyone else, here. I said it before, Shingo is the only "real man" in this saga! …and that's why, if needed, he would kill to defend Jin and Ei, if necessary. How I would love to see Shingo reacting impulsively to defend them, and Keiichi being forced to realize that everything he has, he owns it to Shingo (...but I think he actually did it yet)

I love how you explain everything. I still love Shingo too. I also think Jin has been well developed. But for me, nothing will ever justify Kei "stoically" enduring what he should not allow in the first place. It's just so disrespectful to Shingo. There is no good reason why Kei should not tell Angelo to keep his hands to himself, or at least twitch away and turn his head so Angelo can't take liberties. I agree that Kei loves and needs Shingo--I just don't think he necessarily respects Shingo enough since the last story line. Kei is still hot though.

...my goal in life is learning a better english, so I will be able to express myself with one/third of the words I use now. Like you do :) I'm always admired by the why you write and the things you write, too. You should know by now that I do not make compliments, I only say what's on my mind. Damn, maybe you're the only person I've been nice in here. Is not that I want to be rude… I can accept any idea… when it is supported by a decent stream of logic.

Ok, Sakyo Aya, give us a more respectful Keiichi, I would love him too, and you're entitled to show him completely naked while you're at it. Thanks (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Your English is beautiful--and you make far fewer typos than I do. :) And I know many see it the way you do too. I just get into my fiction sometimes.

"You're a writer. Writer are supposed to fall in love with ideas" ~ David Leavitt, "Arkansas".

That's actually an intresting theory...♢ but i highly doubt it. Our sweet little siwon is most likely dead.♤ but who know? Anything can happen~♧

Holy crap I think you're right! In this panel http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos/uu/geu_kkeute_issneun_geos-chapter-26/36/
Han Siwon is seen wearing the same exact clothing as his little brother, which wouldn't make sense if all the little brother doing is remembering him (I'm assuming that the original Han Siwon wore his uniform buttoned up due to his shy nature as a victim of bullying). It would also add a great twist to the climax (if Taemin switched bodies, why can't somebody else too?).

But hey- maybe we're just overthinking from deprivation of SMEXYY TIME

I didn't pay attention to the uniform, but you're right. I just thought he was imagining his reflection in the mirror as Siwon.

It would be interesting if, in the end, we were to discover that "poor Han Siwon" wasn't that angelic creature nor his brother the worst of all evil. It would add something to the banal pattern of "good bro vs. evil bro". I don't know, I've been suffering from a serious headache for days and maybe I'm just hallucinating, but it totally makes sense to me. Both brothers were twisted from the beginning. Maybe I just have a hard time accepting the idea of a guy who has a sweet brother and hates him out of jealousy to the point of urging him to suicide.

In the beginning, if I remember correctly, everyone thought Siwon was a bitch, and we all were upset with Siwoon for ignoring a victim, when he had been bullied himself in the past. Now, if Siwon was actually different from how we portrayed him in our mind, all pieces would fall into place. We'll see.

Yep I had the same impression of you guys ^^ But that was the idea I got before remenbering that this was the brother. Even so, this theory is not bad I think (▰˘◡˘▰)

Actually no. For several reasons. He talks about his brother smirking at him while the image of Si Won stares back at him. It wouldn't make sense AT ALL for him to be thinking of HIMSELF, as you imply the image is, smirking while talking about his brother now would it? Also the brother talks about how it took him so long to get BACK to where he is which implies that being on top as he was and is now *was* HIS original position. Thirdly the mother said herself that Si Won woke up ALONE. Why did she feel it was necessary to emphasize that point then proceed to ignore the likely reality that lead to it, which would be that her son's body was taken over by someone else other than her other son, if your theory was to hold true? Fourthly, it's more likely that Ji Won is the utter ass that he's been portrayed as than that Woo Jin is MORE of an ass than what we've actually seen him to be.

Finally, you must not have read too many Korean manwha to be able to react with such surprise at Ji Won's behavior and yet, funnily enough, not bat an eyelash at Woo Jin's. Besides having Ji Won be the target of Si Won, or however you prefer to see the brothers, in order to justify the torment that the boy we know as Si Won endured, would actually make this MORE clichéd NOT less.

Thanks.

Sci-fi? It's more of the spy genre, and pretty interesting in my opinion. ^_^

I meant it's completely off-based (I think I took the metaphor from our common native tongue - if I don't remember wrong we are from the same country).
That's not the russian political system at all. The art looks interesting, though, so maybe I'll take a look later. Btw, how are you?

I'm good, thanks a lot. ^^
Well, even the stories based in some historical facts, can be still superficial (we are talking about a shonen-ai /yaoi, though). But I found this manga interesting for the twists and the spy genre vibes (ok. It's not Le Carré, but results really interesting, at least for me). The characters are well done, too. ^^