I liked Akitora's wife from the start and still love her, she's really cool. After reading Yondaime Ooyamato Tatsuyuki I was genuinely interested in Rogi's backstory, specially how he cried holding his daughter. Maybe I pitied him or something. In the starting of Jealousy I liked him a little and I wanted to see Akitora with him. But as the story progressed so did my hate for him. And in the last chapter I really want him to die off in a gutter somewhere. But I do wanna know what happens to Rogi next, specially where did that daughter came from and what will that guy become in his life(the one his daughter insisted on making their pet). I really love this story as it stirs up so many feelings inside me for the characters.
So this is the where the title came from? Rogi's jealous of the couple because no matter what he tries Aki won't leave his wife for him. Can't get the Papa so he rapes his son, yup I hate Rogi.
Hahahaha i love your comment. Same i hate rogi
Rogi jealous of those with family, of Ane for being Tora's wife and at his side. Tora jealous in that moment of Handa. Handa jealous of Rogi's parents (he didn't want him to have anywhere to go but to him). Ane jealous of Rogi (she mentions it in this last chapter). But the main jealousy is Rogi's (he's on the cover TWICE, his younger and his older selves). The thing he wants most is Tora and all along he wasn't able to "get him" and though they had sex, we know from the other manga that he doesn't keep him.
Oh wow. "Jealousy" indeed. This is how envy became one of the seven deadly sins. Just like wrath, extreme jealousy can drive a person into doing the most heinous crimes, whether they intended to or not. I don't think Rogi wanted to do what he did but he's desperate, no matter how intelligent he is, his judgement and morals are clouded because of his envy towards warmth, affection and acceptance.
Yup. He is dangerous and vile yet I pity him, though he eternally hates being pitied. I shed some tears in this chapter, it was so heart warming. Things are seemingly becoming more clear now, I can't justify Rogi for raping Tatsuyuki apart from concluding that it was out of desperation (morals are out of the window) but my theory on Rogi killing or leading things intentionally to have Asami killed is seemingly less likely to happen. I will not disregard the idea just yet but there's a possibility that he had little to do with it or he never meant to do anything, he was just caught in between and may have just been blamed for it.
Based on this chapter, Rogi liked Asami as a person. He felt at home with them and he was genuinely happy. I can even see through his lies and facade, when he said he wouldn't be happy if she stayed.
Okay, one last try and I give up T_T
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Yup, everyone is jealous of everyone But I honestly have such mixed feelings about this manga. I get that author wants us to see Rogi and Akitora's backstory but the more I know about them the more I feel like they deserve each other - in a bad way. Although I can't COMPLETELY hate Rogi - to me he seems like a big and selfish child who lives by only his instincts, but at the same time I can't like his character either. Same with Akitora. Because of their selfish desires (I honestly can't call what they have as a "love" - crazy infatuation, MADNESS even, but not love) so many people get involved. Rogi's parents, Handa, I'm sure Ane-san will die somehow because of their connection too, Tatsuyuki - they all will suffer because of the desires and impulses of those two. I honestly don't know how I feel about all this... The ONLY thing I know though is that Tatsuyuki is probably some kind of an angel - after all the shit that Rogi did to him he even exchanged cups with him, and for what - for Rogi to have a chance to see Akitora again!
It was incomplete ^^' I finally replied "normally" in the comment above. Somehow it gets cut off if I comment from my phone. From PC it did ok right away oO
Also - yeah, it's probably true that sensei intended to write it like that. It's just so unusual for me to not have a favourite character - I honestly can't find one in this manga x) Asoda maybe? Although I respect Ane-san very much and adore her, but I feel there is more to her character and we probably will see it later as the story evolves. Probably x)
I agree, the only sane and normal character among them is Asoda. I am not degrading or promoting stigma on prostitutes but Ane-san was an ex-prostitute. Her mind, sensibilities and logic are different from the normal. It was such an interesting twist instead of her being a daughter or affiliated to Yakuza pre-marriage to Tora. So she is very much in-line with Tora and Rogi in terms of their sick and twisted mindset.
Yeah, and I honestly felt sorry for Asoda in the previous story because he always had to deal with a lot of problems caused by "young master Tatsuyuki" but here - man, I feel sorry for him even more x)
And I also didn't see it coming - that Ane-san was a prostitute in the past, that was a surprise. I agree, they are together (for now) because all of them are from the same world of twisted and questionable values.
But, to be honest, at that moment when Rogi was talking about two types of wives and that he hates the most those who try to pity or lecture him - it was like a slap in the face to me because I'd be that type, for sure xDDD Although I definitely wouldn't lecture or pity him - he chose this path himself. But I don't know, I somehow always get so sad that such intelligent men and women waste themselves on prostitution T_T I don't mean to judge or, how you said, degrade or put some stigma on such people, because there are a lot of different reasons and situations that happen in life. It simply just makes me incredibly sad that they willingly chose the path where any disgusting old man, if he has money, can buy them and do whatever he wants with them. And god, look at Rogi and Ane-san - they are so young, beautiful AND intelligent (although Rogi is crazy one xD) - they could have anyone! Ah, I'm sure I sound pathetic but I simply can't NOT feel sad ╥﹏╥
I liked Akitora's wife from the start and still love her, she's really cool. After reading Yondaime Ooyamato Tatsuyuki I was genuinely interested in Rogi's backstory, specially how he cried holding his daughter. Maybe I pitied him or something. In the starting of Jealousy I liked him a little and I wanted to see Akitora with him. But as the story progressed so did my hate for him. And in the last chapter I really want him to die off in a gutter somewhere. But I do wanna know what happens to Rogi next, specially where did that daughter came from and what will that guy become in his life(the one his daughter insisted on making their pet). I really love this story as it stirs up so many feelings inside me for the characters.
I'd be answering everyone here. To be honest, I don't know which type of a wife I'd be. I feel like I'd be pitying him but I know I am angry as well. I feel like I'd give just one slap on each, Rogi and my husband then leave. I'd let them do whatever they want, they are adults and they know what to do with their lives. I can never be as confident as Ane-san, thinking at the end of the day she is loved, because it's the opposite, nobody will really love me, I will always be alone. So I don't mind my husband cheating, just leave me if you don't love me anymore instead of keeping me around for nothing. Sorry, I am really a such a depressing person.
But what struck me the most is Rogi saying that they all do it for selfish reasons, never looking at other people's situations. So yeah, @Kate LeClair no matter how you are able to think of ways people can produce money, we can never know their reasons, unless you(generally) have been in their exact position/situation and mindset.
I can't hate Rogi.
I guess I'll also answer everyone in one message x) And it's gonna be HUGE xD
@yaoiotaku, I had high hopes for Jealousy when it first started because I genuinely was curious about Rogi's story and why he became like that. But now... I don't know, as I've mentioned before, I have conflicting feelings about this story and him in general - sometimes it's really interesting to read, but sometimes genuinely repulsive. I guess there was not a real reason for his actions except his selfish desires. But his continuous feelings of loneliness are the only reason why I can't hate him completely. Does it atone his actions towards Tatsuyuki and everyone else though? Hell NO!
I honestly can say that I'm reading this manga only because I still can't crack Rogi up as a character and because I'm curious of where Reika came from and what will happen to that new young guy. And ALSO - that creepy guy from the next chapter, who looks like Mads Mikkelsen, is giving me the chills (⊙…⊙ )
@manganiME, yep, in real life I would be 100% the same - slap that bastard of a husband and kick both of them out immediately. I already dealt (semi-dealt? -
my father cheated on my mum) with cheating in my life and this topic is VERY sensitive to me - I know the consequences of it and how it f*ckes up everyone around. So for me it's unforgivable. I know there are a lot of different reasons and situations but, damn it, there is almost nothing in the world that can't be solved with communication. For me, if you are unsatisfied somehow with your relationships - you talk it through with your partner and if you can't resolve it then you break up and don't waste each other's time. That's what mature people do. And I honestly don't believe that shit that cheater loves both - his partner and his lover. Call me petty but I think they just want to sit on both stools - to have a comfortable presence of a partner who cares about them at home AND to fool around with other people without investing a lot of energy in it. Somehow it's unfair, isn't it? And I also hate those who blames their partners for their own cheating - like "Oh, he/she was so inattentive, sex is boring, our relationship are not the same anymore and bla bla bla". Well yeah, a lot of couples have to deal with it somewhen during their life together but they DO smth about it or break up. It's just... What is the point of giving vows or promises if you are going to break them? Just don't do relationships and you will not have to deal with responsobilities, that's it. Don't waste time of those who want to invest their energy and lives in something serious.
Aaah, as you can see, this theme is my sore spot xD I can talk and complain about it a lot. That is why the one who I genuinely (!) hate in this story so far is Akitora. No matter how handsome he is or what beliefs he has - he is a shitty person ( ̄へ ̄) . I also can't forget how he did absolutely nothing when he knew that Rogi raped his son ><
@pennyinheaven, hm.. Do you have trust issues probably?
I can feel you though - I'm also a very depressing and pessimistic person in general and I honestly don't have a lot of "hopes for the best" in me ( ̄∇ ̄"). But I try to not get SO desperate about life and people relations. There are a lot of good people out there but you really have to search for them x)
//no matter how you are able to think of ways people can produce money, we can never know their reasons//
Well, actually that is also one of the reasons why I can't understand Rogi completely - he doesn't seem to care about money. I thought that probably he had horrible relationships with his parents, but it's also not like that - he said they are generally ok but not perfect. But don't we all have it the same way? I don't know T_T He craves acceptance of some sort but I think he doesn't really realize it himself - what sort of acceptance exactly?
And also about prostitution - yep, I agree that we wouldn't know it if we are not in the same position or with the same mindset. I just meant that it makes me sad because people are ready to treat themselves like that - treat their body and soul like that, letting all sorts of people do whatever they want w/them. Idk, maybe it's really just beyond my understanding - I'm very squeamish in general and also have a hard time letting people (especially strangers) even touch me ( ̄∇ ̄"). Even today I was walking down the stairs in my apartment building and there was one of my neighbours sitting in the stairwell and smoking. And god, he is disgusting, you know that leery and raunchy type of men? Ugggh, I was feeling his greasy stare with my back -__- And imagining someone like him even touching me - it honestly makes want to vomit :( I'd rather die working at unloading wagons of bricks than lie under someone like him T_T
He's bday is on 16 July, right? (☆▽☆)/