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I got to chapter 34 btw...

If you got to chapter 34, you obviously were not too offended by the mangaka's portrayal of the characters. FYI, Akihito is treated as anything BUT a dog by Asami, but hey, if that's the way if comes across to you, good luck in finding something that's so vanilla it gives you cavities. Cheers!

Take it easy! :) I will try to explain the meaning of this story even though English isn't my native language, however, I hope to explain myself:
This story is the expression of a sexual fantasy, you don't have to consider this like something that could happen in the real world. This story has its particular nuances: It can be considered as a sadomasochistic (domination and submission) sexual story that evolves in something different as well as an interesting "noir" and mafia story. Everyone is entitled to have their own sexual fantasies and tastes, and this story involves fantasies of submission (humiliation, rape, pain) that can make some people uncomfortable. When I started reading this story I was surprised until the moment I understood that it was only the way the author chose to put and describe an erotic story.

Lady L thou English flowed like a mighty river.......,....... . Anonymous. ha poetry in the morn.

Good for you. You're allowed your own opinion and voice.@LadyLigeia gave a terrific point of view on the outline of this story and personally, I loved her take on it. Everyone has different tastes and hard limits and should never be made to feel crap or uncomfortable about it.

I think you're right, and it's easier to have an understanding of the manga from your point of view. Haha! To be honest, I think I just let the story get to me too much
Your English it great btw, and I value your opinion.
Cheers!

Thanks,
And I agree with you completly. Nice to know we have some level headed people on here!

@ Islander the maj. of people here are sane. level headed. this site gets trolled a lot. Sometimes same token when you make a response or make a statement expect to be challenged. think of it as a very fine debate club on steroids. Lady L. what is your first lang.?

My first language is Spanish, the second Italian, the third English (and the one that I know less) :)

It's like the "No offense but" posts. Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion and you're welcome to spew it all over the place, but you can't expect that you're not going to get blow-back. And I think that's where the real problem comes in. When people post negative opinions like this, they aren't simply "venting" as OP claims s/he is. If that was the case, s/he wouldn't come back to see if s/he got any responses.

So clearly, the point of posting is to get a response. And the defensiveness at opposing viewpoints makes it equally clear that OP had a goal. S/he is like the many who can't understand why not everyone believes as s/he believes, likes what s/he likes, hates what s/he hates. Unfortunately, s/he can't leave it at that but must try to make the wayward understand the evil in which they wallow. S/he's not venting. S/he is intervening.

I'm not really singling you out, OP. You're just the latest in a long line of opinionated fly-bys who felt the need to witness against this manga and warn us all that we're going to hell for our wicked, wicked ways. Like that was going to make a difference.

Hey! You know what? You should go check out Mob For Jack. There are a lot of sinners in need of your counsel over there.

Thank you, Anonymous, thank you for TELLING IT LIKE IT IS! ''Why yes, I am entitled to an opinion and my own voice, I am just venting, but on second thought, let me come back to see how many replies I've elicited out of people and how many of them have been irked by my ignorant,whiny long-ass post''. Hiding behind the freedom of speech, while at the same time denying other people's freedom of speech when someone disagrees with them, they're like ''back the fuck off, I have nothing to say to you, I only talk to level headed people.'' Of course, ''level headed people'' being code for people who think their word is law. I just love these cries for attention, like ''I cannot read this, why oh why, my emotions are all over the place, my heart is breaking....oh, but my heart was strong enough to withstand reading 6 VOLUMES out of 8!'' Riiiiiiight.

Anonymous is right. there has been a t least one a week , coming in diff. forms. It is getting old. did you decry your dislike on Caste heaven 's page too? I went to look did not see any thing under our name. there are things I read on this site that I don't like, but don't feel the need to leave a comment on. it's rather judgemental. Telling those who do like it there is something wrong with them. If you did not like it you could have stopped and moved on. Like you did with C. heaven. where is your post decrying that manga? I'm begin. to smell a set up. What I don't know is why

oh islander, honey, better trolls than you have tried. for clarification purpose: you mention that you can't bear it any longer, the horrible way Akihito is treated in this manga, how Asami doesn't deserve him, how he treates him like a dog, blah, blah, blah. yet, in spite of your deep hatred for this manga, you've read 34 chapters. wow, you must be a masochist. and at the end of your rant, you say: ''AND THE PLOT IS TOOO GOOOD''. newsflash: the whole plot is based on Akihito and Asami's relationship. come back when you have valid points and logic in your thinking.

Chill out, she's just saying while the manga is really well done, their relationship makes her uncomfortable because she feels Akihito's pain too much. Which he indeed actually feel.

I'm the same with some parts of Dramatical Murder, while I enjoy most of it, a few of the bad ends just make me want to puke (while others and give me some thrills xD). And despite my dislike of them, which though I guess is the point of them, I still don't think they're bad per say. I personally continue anyway because I like when stories makes me feel lots of extreme emotions.

To each their own level of "emotional disconnection ability" (not sure how to call it aha), I personally have a higher threshold level for mangas than for visual novels. If the girl gets into mangas as much as I get into visual novels I can totally get it xD.

Though their relationship has gotten a long way from chapter 34 now.

Umm, to all that think I'm trolling or whatever, I'm not. If I was trolling, I wouldn't do it with my actual account, I would go under 'Anonymous' like other people have.
Yes, I read 34 chapters, because "THE PLOT IS TOOO GOOD", I was hooked on the suspense, the background, and the beautiful artwork. But I didn't like the relationships in the story. Simple as that.
As for Caste Heaven posts, no, I didn't make one. I can choose what I want to post about. Kay?
Also, I posted this topics to get replies. Duh, why wouldn't I check them? It's a topic, so let's talk about it. Tell me your views! Even if you disagree with me, I'll still read it because this is a TOPIC FOR DISSCUSSION.
Anyways, it's a manga that I didn't enjoy reading, those are my view points. I have absolutly no problem if anyone else likes this manga, if so, tell me why? Your viewpoints. So far, only a couple of people have actually done that, so of course, I'm going to talk to the people that want to discuss it, and not just complain about my post

I don't get where she said she liked it. Just because she thought the art was good didn't mean she liked it. The fact that she said repeatedly that she was so traumatized she had to stop kind of suggests the opposite, don't you think?

Plus, she gets it so wrong, who and what Akihito is and how he is actually treated in the manga, that it's clear she did only the most cursory of readings. Add that to the fact that she didn't finish it and her judgment is kind of invalid. It's not fair to judge something you haven't finished.

Where did I say she "liked it"?

Haha "emotional disconnection ability" I guess I would call it that too!
And, yeah, I dont think the manga is "bad per say", I guess the difference between you and I is that I jump off at the extreme bits, and you keep going
But, yeah, I find that manga just consumes me, and I just get sooo engrossed into the characters, that it actualll feels like I'm dying inside. I've never really read a visual novel, but goodness, if they're as compelling as you say, I think I might have to stay away, or I might really die

It happens to me sometimes to get so involved in a story that it becomes difficult for me to continue with the reading. Once I read a novel that made me cry like crazy from the first chapter till the end...but I ended loving that novel to the bone. :)

It's true that I didn't enjoy reading it. And it's also true that I didn't complete it, I completly understand if you think my opinions aren't fair, because it's true that I haven't finished reading it.
From what I did read, my understanding of Akihito is that he is rambouncious, darring, and strong willed. And I think it's great that he's a main character thats SO STRONG! I really enjoyed how he wasn't afraid to say his opinions! So many main characters (in different manga) start out shy, and self-doubting, so having a confident character was like a breath of fresh air.
In Regards to His relationship with Asami (which, as what you said, can only be relevant to where I read to), I feel like Asami wasn't "mean" to him... But I feel like his actions were kinda "hurtful". I mean, he never listened to Akihito or respected his opinion. Even the whole Hong Kong incident with Fei Long was tramatic for him, but they were treating him like an object (I admit, mostly on Fei Long's part).
I think that whole incident made him close to the breaking point, which I am SO GLAD DIDNT HAPPEN.
I also fell like, because of the situation, he was forced to depend on Asami, which, I dont know, didn't feel right with me.

Haha, yeah
I felt that way with A Thousand Splendid Suns,
Now it's my absolute Favorite novel

Mine was "Of Human Bondage" (Maugham). :)

I'm sure I had this with a novel or another, but when I read your post, something else came to my mind and that's the last two episodes of season 1 of "Outlander". Those who have seen them, know what I'm referring to. I had read the book, I knew what was coming, but watching it, made for such uncomfortable viewing that I am unsure I will continue watching the show. In the book the events were far less explicit, but still had the desired effect of driving the plot. The show literally bathed in every gory, cruesome aspect of it. The showrunners said it was necessary, but the book was proof that it wasn't. And it left me with a very sick feeling that a lot of it was done for shock value. Following in the footsteps of "that scene" on Games of Thrones one or two weeks prior, it left a very bad taste in my mouth.

I don't mind rape in most mangas because it is usually the metaphor for something entirel different. Someone here (sorry, can't remember who it was, but it was one of the regulars) explained it beautifully a while ago. A metaphor of some sort directed at young girls/woman to not feel guilty about their sexual desires and instincts, a metaphor for sexual awakening, even. Maybe the person who wrote it can post it again.

Anyway, this is completely different from the way rape is used in a lot (far too many) TV shows these days, where it has become a "thing", a device for shock value. And that makes it very hard for me to continue with a show. So I can relate to the feeling of not wanting to continue following a story because it get's too hard at times.

I have to say, though, I never felt that way about Viewfinder, because whatever you through at Akihito, he prevails, he bends like a willow, but he bounces back. In a way he is probably the strongest character, mentally, despite everything that has happened to him. He also has the ability to forgive (both Fei and Asami) and move on, which means he can free himself of the emotional baggage and move on. So while yes, he has had moments, times of humilation, he is a born survivor and with every turn comes back a stronger man. And I think within the story we are at a crossroads, where - after Akihito's recent epiphany, I am hoping to see Asami come to the full realisation that he is not solely Akihito's protector, but that Akihito is willing and has the ability to protect him in return. That he is in fact someone that he, Asami, can lean on.

Sorry about this "novel", I just started writing and couldn't stop for some reason. :D Is it full moon? ^^

I feel uncomfortable too when the plot device of the rape in tv series is used and abused only to shock the audience (I remember The Tudors and The Borgias- but in their case, the use of that plot device had good reasons). To tell you the truth I didn't feel uncomfortable in that way reading Finder. Your "novel" is good. :)

Of course he was treated like an object because that's what villains and kidnappers do. Sheesh. But he didn't act like an object, and that's the part you are missing. He didn't sit in a corner like a lump. He fought like a tiger any time he had a chance. Not only that, but he moved Fei Long by his capacity to empathize even with the man who had kidnapped and was raping him. Through his generosity of spirit, Akihito changed Fei Long's life for the better. That is frickin' huge.

And of course the Hong Kong incident pushed him to the breaking point. But as you point out, he didn't break. That's kind of the point of his character arc and kind of the point of having a story at all. If stuff doesn't happen, there really isn't much of a story.

And so he needed help in a situation in which the odds were vastly stacked against him. What did you expect him to do? How about admiring the fact that once again, he took every opportunity to fight back, to resist. Look at what happened on the boat. He sees a guy shot in front of him, is dragged off yet again to who knows where by who known whom, people who speak a language he doesn't understand, who beat the shit out of him and rip his clothes off and threaten to rape him. Oh and then one of them steps on his penis until he pees blood, tries to strangle him and then just when he thinks he's safe, the guy takes a pot shot at him.

Now, this is after months of being held captive in a foreign country and repeatedly raped and then going through all of this other stuff in a very short period of time. Dude has been put through the grinder. But instead of cowering in a corner, he gets up, goes after the guy, STEALS BACK HIS OWN RANSOM and after being shot, uses it to broker peace between Asami and Fei Long. He's hardly a damsel in distress. Asami only skated in there at the end to put the bandages on.

So Asami can be dismissive at times, but it was Asami who understood better than anyone what Akihito needed in order to find his way back to himself. Not only does Asami "get" Akihito, his desire for him is for those ineffable qualities far more than for his body.

I don't know. Certainly, this manga isn't for everyone, but I'm having a hard time understanding why you kept reading past page 18 if you are this squeamish.

You know what, I understand... I often have to put a story down for a bit and calm down (or cry) before I can continue reading it. xD It's actually fairly common to try and stick with a story even though you have problems with it, because some part of it engrosses you - it either turns out for the better or for the worse, and in the latter case you might need to drop it, and that's perfectly fine. For example, there's a lot of people who dislike Caste Heaven but can't seem to stop reading it.

Also, there's no right or wrong. It's all opinion. Everyone has different limits and moral concepts. :)

What if she's discussing various opinions?

I think that your analysis of Akihito's personality is definitely on point in terms of depth and honesty, showing just how strong of a character he is. Like the other Anonymous up there (the one with the "novel", which was great btw) I also think Akihito is the gem of this story, showing just how much of a strong character he has.
I can see your point of view with Asami "getting" Akihito, however, when I was reading, I didn't see it as such. No big deal though, just different interpretations.
Looking at what you've said, I can understand your thinking.

There was nothing in the original post that invited discussion. She didn't get all about discussion until she saw the negative reaction the original post drew, at which point she did some quick backtracking.

Your novel is great, btw.
I like your opinion, and I can also agree that rape in tv shows are just getting more and more gruesome. I already have very strong opinions about rape. However, I have to throw them completely out the window when it come to yaoi!
I think the post that you mentioned earlier about how it being " a metaphor for something different" helps to water the impact of the act, making it easier to digest (because as you said, it's not always about being malicious, it can be about sexual awakening, desires, no shame, ect.)
I also agree that Akhito is really a blessing in this story, and "is the strongest character" he's my fav out of all the characters
I think the moon's definitely affecting me too!

Hi islander!...well you say you can feel the pain and desperation on your own skin...well i do too...and honesty thats oneof the few things that kept me reading this...different opinions i guess...

Lemme explain...its kind of like when you watch a sad movie...(dead poet society?) You re suddenly sad and think that cant be real its so sad...but then you also realize how epic it was and say its much better than the lame "and they lived happily ever after" type of thing.

For finder well its a matter of taste...but for me it ws their relationship that made me curious...
Yeah you said it akihito should hate asami...but thats not whats happening...it makes you think a lot...reading it carefully made me notice many things i dindt see the first time...
Like how asami pretends not to care for akihito,how he masks it with indifference and bad manners...how he seems to be in control even when he is not...

Then theres the most complicate but interesting part...for me at least...
Finder was supposed to be a one shot for s/m magazine...and sensei said in an interview that shed have atarted it in another way if she knew it was chaptered.
If you see past that...you still said the way akihito is treated doesnt suit you...
Well again for me its the opposite xD.
I know it sound stupid...but i see many reasons for why aki is infatuated with asami...of course thees a bit of sub/dom in their relationship...and thats what makes it interesting...how someone is able to submit to another just for the sake of love...
Never had a crush? Like when you think someones perfect and cant see any flaw but then...
Ye in these situations you dont think clearly...also many things asami says are just taunts...i love taunting my friends (male friends wouldnt do that to girls) and many times im even a bit too mean to them but i care a lot even if i do not show it.The same goes for asami he wont say i love you but he does...if you say it to him hed probably come off with a smartass remark.thats part of the character and him keeping his emotions hiddes is just a self defense.nand thats why i like this character so much.

I think it's pretty obvious that if I post something as a topic, I'm going to expect some disscussion? Hence, why, I'm disscussing this with others right now ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yes, my post was vey opionated, so of course I expect responses.

I also think how rape is used makes a difference. I find that watching the TV GOT, the way rape is treated (and sensationalized) bothers me, but the way it is in GRRM's books does not. Of course, the TV show made one scene that I thought was seductive in the book into rape, makes another rape more sensationalistic and appealing to the male gaze, and the show adds more rapes that are not even arguably in the book. It's still fiction, but those rapes did make me personally stop enjoying the show. I still like the books.

Everyone has their own limits.

Did you by chance get to the part 'after' Hong Kong? Asami actually starts showing his emotions a little more at that point. He hides his feelings because he's used to people wanting him for his money/power and he doesn't know for a while that Aki wants him for who he is, not what he can get from him. Also, Asami is used to getting his was in EVERYTHING and thus feels he has the right to make Akihito do whatever he wants him to.
Personally I've read this manga several times and I'm looking forward to more of it simply because I enjoy the story.

When the rape plot device is used only for sensationalism, I get annoyed too. I'm still recovering from all the rapes in The Tudors and from the rape of the poor Lucrezia Borgia in The Borgias. *0*

Rape is not was never intended to give sexual pleasure. It was a weapon of war, used to spread terror and mayhem and a prize for the victor. It is considered a crime against humanity to rape some one. Ravishment to force someone into a sexual encounter by overwhelming them. Seduction being one method. Some times I think the mangas are trying to portray ravishment. (Some show out and out rape) They get seen as rape. That ravishment is seen as the first awakening to sexual desire. I;m not doing it myself,( he's making me do it).with an exp. lover is very attractive and hits a lot of buttons for a lot of females, the target audience. Being ravished frees the person from any quilt as to what is being done bec. hey he did it first. Even though I may have wanted to try handcuffed to the bed. I'm the good girl. I'm not the poster for the use of Rape in manga S/he did it better.

Yes, rape in RL is an awful crime, it has nothing to do with sexual pleasure or with lust. It's true that the portrayal of "the ravishment"frees the person from any guilt about their own sexual desires and can be so appealing for many woman in the world. I'm not so fond about the rape/ or ravishment as a plot device, but I love noir stories. When this story turned from being some kind of "Justine" (De Sade) to a noir story, with all the beautiful stereotypes of this kind of stories, it took my soul. :)

I like noir. Sometimes I also like reading about some BDSM-style games that might look like rape if both parties had not agreed. The problem is that in many mangas, both parties really didn't agree, but the scene could be kind of hot if it were role play, (and the survivor seems to find it that way too). I would be happier if they had agreed to the game in advance, I can see the reader as sort of agreeing to the play and the author skipping that part for the fantasy of it--as if the agreement starts in an unwritten prologue and it comes from the reader (who can stop at any time). That doesn't make me feel better about what I think of as sensationalized fictional rapes where the survivor is simply used but those usually are shown as bad things. Sometimes there are very good stories where the lines are blurry or bad thing happen but I still like the story. So I guess in the broadest sense, I like stories with rape if I like the way the author and the plot treat it (or the plot is good enough to keep me anyway).

Ilona Andrews' Kate Daniels character explains it once (I forget which book) when she is talking to a guy who is into her BF, Andrea, about romance novels. The guy says he can never be like those guys in the novels because they are jerks. Kate says something to the effect that if the guy tried to take Andrea's brother hostage in order to force Andrea to be with him, Andrea would kill him. (Andrea is an expert shot). But if the guy wanted to put on a pirate costume once in a while when they were fooling around and say various lusty lines from the novel, Andrea probably would not hate it. I think that's the way I feel about "ravishment". I don't romanticize rape in real life, and no one "asks" for it in real life, but it can be fun to play in controlled situations for a short time hen there is actually consent and some boundaries.

And sometimes I like messy characters. For example, I ship Gallavich on Shameless--two violent f*cked up characters who sometimes go too far but seem to really have something. Here's a highlight video from Youtube for anyone who likes that kind of thing (it's gritty but not noir):

https://youtu.be/jD_JewYUYTg

The violence is absolutely wrong, but I still like these two.

Gritty, thanks, reminds me of the writing of Kano and the Bun charc. (not as dark). Ravishment is a long standing plot tool. The Greek tales. Zeus and the rest of the Gods used it a lot to get their way( seducing humans) the myths , some where pretty twisted. 12th Night by Shakespeare( the one where they all get lost in the forest). It has been used sine man fist began telling stories.

It looks interesting, thanks for the link. :)

Pretty twisted sometimes, I just remembered the myth of Leda and the swan. :)

i agree, but TBH, I think Zeus was an A-hole. Most classical heroes too. They seem self-centered and not very concerned about their partners.

We really see eye to eye here, AG, especially when it comes to the significant difference between the GOT books and the way rape is used on the TV show. Rape didn't bother me in GRRM's books either, totally agree, simply because he used it so very differently. As you said (and as I said in my "novel" post), what bothers me (and they did the same thing with the rape of the male lead character on Outlander) is the way they use for sheer shock value, a sensationalized titbit for horny - male - viewers slobbering in front of their screens. I made the mistake of checking the IMDB message board right after the S---a rape and was absolutely horrified with the posts there. I realize that's a lot of young teenage boys trolling, but still... It's as if the show is feeding perverted peeping toms on a regular basis.

I will continue to watch the show, I guess, albeit reluctantly. Thankfully it doesn't affect the love I have for the books either.

With Outlander, it was simply too much (and tbh, I wasn't crazy about the books to begin with). And it wasn't just the way the male/male rape was portrayed, it was the way the media (especially people like that stupid Kristin dos Santos from E!) nearly felll over each other with excitement over the rape scenes. It was sickening.

P.S.: Thanks to the guys who posted about the idea of the metaphor behind rape or non-con in mangas (free of guilt, sexual awakening etc.), that I mentioned earlier. I think it's a really important aspect in stories like Viewfinder.

Oh, don't get me started there. Lady! ;) I enjoyed the Tudors very much, BUT: The way they portrayed George Boleyn, including the rapes, p---ed me off to no end.
And yeah, the Lucrezia wedding night rape is another "fine" example of rape for the sake of shock value. As I wrote earlier. Rape is suddenly a THING, it seems.

Yes, it seems. Poor little Lucrezia! :(

They use it as selling point, not the show or plot, who is in it. Maybe it's bec. there are so many channels they have to get ad. revenue and eyes on the show quickly.instead of good writing, they use sex of the base kind. they have to compete with the internet now too. If they put on good shows people would watch them.

I get what you're saying. The first time I read Finder (YEARS AGO) I hated how Asami raped Takaba and forced him, it was also my first time reading a BDSM related manga so the first chapter was quite a shock. In time, however, I just learned to view it as a work of fiction and taking it as enjoyment and not very seriously. Especially in yaoi, where you see this kind of thing a lot. I don't support it in rl but.. yeah idk

There is one manga which I have a similar reaction to yours and that is D.Gray-man T__T I stopped reading it years ago because.. poor Allen.

Also, it reminded me of a manga called I.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS_(manga)

I could not go beyond the 3rd chapter. My heart cant take it.

if you just had the faces it would have had more impact ^^

Me too. Thank you to say it, i didn't saw the bottom of the page

Bumps

well, he was definitely on his knees for a bit.

haha well said XD

IKR! Keichi is always the one taking the first step. saying how much he loves shingo, always showing his love. I feel like its shingo's turn now.

Exactly! Lol

Yeah we remember and he still is hurting but he doesn't know whats going on, so he didn't have to say it like that ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Shingo broke up with Keiichi, how is he supposed to react? "omg Shingo!! I can't believe you are here, can we please get back together even though you were the one who left me?"???

Maybe he could say hello and wait to see why Shingo came instead of treating Shingo like a stranger (the same way he treated Shingo around Angelo before they broke up http://iweb6.mangapicgallery.com/r/newpiclink/kuroneko_kareshi_no_afurekata/3/1a7f1265e9394f46529ec41d98f518a5.png). They both have faults, but Keiichi is still acting to cover up instead of to share information.

Those are two different times with different motives the first one was because Keiichi didn't want to draw Angelo's attention to Shingo (tbh Angelo is annoying af so it's for the better) and the one on this episode is either because he is pissed (which he has every right to imo) or because he is protecting himself

you've got a point there, but then, why bother asking Rio to say "I like Shingo the most" everyday if he wanted to play the cold guy afterwards?? Well anyway, I don't get both of them, I mean, why Kagami lied to Shingo about his continous nightly activities with the other guy and why is Shingo still carrying on his insecurities? aaahhh sensei is really playing with our emotions!

It may have some different circumstances, but the types of behavior is the same--he is pretending Shingo is a stranger instead of being willing to talk about whatever t is that is going on. The roots of the problem existed before the breakup. While both are at fault, if Keiichi's repeated declarations of love mean anything, it should mean he would talk in such situations and let Shingo know all the things he didn't before and apologize for making a decision to leave the country on his own without talking to Shingo. Then Shingo should apologize for giving up too soon and Shingo should admit his feelings too. But this problem all started with Angelo--and with Keichii not talking to Shingo about whatever it is that is going on with Angelo. I also need to know what the truth is about the scent, because I still think there is more going on there (and it is important).

Damn right!! there're issues on both sides! and the thing with Angelo and the scent really bugs me too, because as far as I know, that guy's always been interested in Yuujin since their school days mmmmmm

I agree with you on the note that Keichi started this whole mess by not telling Shingo about Angelou, and that its both their faults because no one is communicating with the other. However, I feel that Keichi has a right to feel upset that Shingo just broke up with him out of the blue like that. Anyone would, really ╮(￣▽￣)╭

yeah but that was waaayy too cruel, I mean, the guy says "do you need something?" so casually like talking to a stranger when he should realize that the other guy travelled thousand of kms (many hours) for an important reason. At least, he should have said something like "Shingo, what brings you here?" or "hello Shingo, what's up?" something a little less cold.
it's okey that Keiichi is angry because Shingo just cut off the relationship all of a sudden, but he shouldn't behave like a scorned woman either.

Well I feel if kagami wasn't acting so secretive with that guy and coming home with his scent on him then shingo wouldn't be feeling the way he did which led to the break up, I'm just saying any partner would feel that way if they were in shingo's position ┗( T﹏T )┛

I thin Keiichi is right to be upset, but I don't think it was out of the blue. Keiichi must have known that not coming home night after night, refusing to kiss Shingo and then Shingo telling him there was no scent means something. And how did Keiichi really expect Shingo to take the sudden news that he was going to be abandoned again? Even if Keiichi didn't break up, he announced he was leaving for up to a year. They haven't been together more than year, right? What did Keiichi think?

i thought the same thing

This ils totally like that. When we see the face, expression and sayings of Yui (compared to the naive black hair guy), it is not difficult to understand that Yui will sell out this poor little guy to prostitution.

It is prostitution

Lol "I'm no doctor" I gotcha. You bring up good points, yes, but I've had several piercings including a tongue ring. The tongue will swell if you don't ice it as with any other piercing.

Also, kissing right after the piercing shouldn't do much harm and will only feel like your tongue is bruised a little. Especially so if you clean it right after.

I know I'm talking a lot.. but they also used clean needles.I can say I don't know much about genitalia piercings though. So long as they ice it and keep it clean!!

Okay, cool! Thanks for the info, I guess I feel a bit better about the piercings now , Lol

Actually, since urine is sterile (unless the individual has a UTI) and also contains ammonia (think windex), genital piercings aren't prone to infection so long as they are kept clean.