
Well even if I stop reading this from here, there will be someone else instead of me. And I think no one is dumb enough to kill themselves because of something minor as this

Ffs, I replied quite a lengthy paragraph for you and for some reason it's not sending
Can we just leave this specific story alone just for the author's sake like p1@n p1@n and M@n 0f V3rtué
You can totally read here however you want, jist the main point here is Blind Play's author os clearly distressed and is suicidal. I don't think its hard to live not being able to read this specific story

I understand where you're coming from, each individual is different you see... this might br something which isn't a big deal for you but not for the author as it is basically her point of income to pay her bills etc.
We cannot simply invalidate her suicidal feelings jist because we think if we are on her situation we can simply deal with it which is why it's hard to believe by some people

My initial response is basically how people sounds when they would rather feed into their selfishness rather than the over all well being of the author, if you hadn't notice I am not making fun of the author's mental illnesses at all, perhaps you could google what sarcasm is first before coming at me

Y'all think the submissive ones should be on bottom. This really annoys me, of course everyone has their own opinions but still annoying af. Maybe that's because you're used to see the roles like that...

The one being penetrated isn't filling the roll of the girl. The character is a guy him being penetrated doesn't change him being a guy.
Seeing the guy as filling the roll of the girl is enforcing this idea that ppl that are penetrated are women when there are women that penetrate men. That doesn't make the woman a man nor the man a woman.

in this story it doesn't matter if it is a guy or girl, in the end, it clear who has ALL the power in this relationship and who just following the other person's will. there is zero balance just like in Shoujo. just cause the "girl" that acts like a dog with zero power has a dick now or can "penetrated" in bed does not make it better or right in any way or fun for that matter. it just the same old disgusting trope - One has all the power while the other just be obedient no matter how bad and fuck up he got treated.
and by the way, it has nothing to do with what role you have in bed and who penetrates who, the fact you even stack on this stupid stuff show you miss the point. since it has nothing to do with bed.

We weren't talking about power imbalances. We were talking about the comments that were saying that the seme should be the uke because of his demeanor. That is why I was talking about who penetrates who. In reality it doesn't matter who does it or even if it happens at all, but ppl tend to see the submissive or less powerfull one as the one who should be the bottom in bed.
There can be a whole other conversation about power imbalances which also are a an issue. But this, at least how I understand it is just ppl being misogynistic because they think the rolls should be reversed.

you know why people still stack on those uke= submissive? it cause of those bad tropes that this story is supported by the way, but trying to hide it while making the"uke" the aggressive "guy" part of the story. people feel it is weird cause they got so used to the uke been the girl part that it confuses them to see anything else, despite it isn't that different, it the same old bs only the "uke" this time is the one using his dick and the Seme being the one who gets the dick. like really there is no difference ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
people are not been "misogynistic" it is more of them just being brainwash of years and years of reading bad trope of yaoi and Shoujo.

I wanted to add that the reason that ppl see the more submissive one as the one who should be the bottom in bed is because of the idea that women are inherently not dominant and that idea bleeds through to queer relationships. People can't understand that a dominant person can be a bottom. Also having an inherently dominant and submissive person in a relationship doesnt mean there is going to be a power imbalance.

I don't think so, it is bleed to the culture of yaoi not "queer relationships", the yaoi from japan and their bs trope or not in any way show real queer relationships or what people think of it. it just shows bad trope most of the time to enjoy.
and this is not been "dominant", rape does not make you dominant or strong or better. it just makes you an asshole prick.
this story does not show "dominant", even if it thinks it does, it only repeat the same old trope we all know only give it the opposite rules in bed. that all it is, in most yaoi the Seme is an asshole and abusive - just like the uke in this story. you totally wrong if you think been "dominant" = being an abusive asshole all the time. cause it's not!

Its not bl and shojou brainwashing its society as a whole. Bl and shojou reflect the ideas ppl already have its not the other way around.
Even ppl that don't read bl/ shojou think smaller, "weaker" ppl should be the bottom. You can find this with straight and queer ppl and it is misogynistic. The reason I say that is because there is this idea that women are supposed to follow the man. That is placed on queer couples. Where if there is one that is more submissive they are seen as more feminine and thus should definitely be the bottom.

Honestly I think we are talking about different things. I don't think bl is a good representation of gay men at all. Just like I wouldn't consider shojou a good representation of st8 relationships.
I do think that bl does show what ppl think the rolls in a relationship should be based on the characters body type / personality and I don't agree with it. Though I have been seeing it slowly change over the years.
When I say dominant I just mean the one that usually makes the decisions in the relationship, not the whole asshole thing.
You also see ppl comment things like omg I can't believe the small/ feminine looking one is the seme! Because they expect the more feminine one to always be the bottom because of society.
I'm not saying that bl / shojou don't contribute to this way of thinking, but it isn't the reason for it.

I disagree. what you read is can fully brainwash people to think "this is okay", "rape is fine" etc.. like people try so hard to say killing stalking is a romance while it clearly is NOT romance! the author even had to clear it up that it is not romance but people still think to this day and it was market has "romance BL" and ever since then we see more and more people liking abusive men much more than they had before reading KS.
I agree either BL or Shojou is not a good representation, but it still influences people to think and get used to sorting thing if you read it for long long time.
"expect the more feminine one to always be the bottom" - they expect that cause that how it shows in almost all media and society, not just BL, they used to this formula. not matter what movie you watch, most women are consider weak = considered bottom.
that's the thing, people are looking for things they know and familiar with all the time, that all it is. it does not make you bad for wanting it or misogynistic, there is a big difference between being a real misogynistic and wanting to read something you familiar with.
you can think what you want, but this story does not change the trope or change how people still think uke=weak. and it didn't mean to change it from the first place, the opposite it supports the trope in another horrible way. so can you really say the people that read this are the problem if the story supports this trope?
that's why we need stories not on one submissive with zero power and one abusive, aggressive with all the power to decide things. we need both of them to not be in any role and have the ability to decide and change the relationship, to have dynamics to push and pall when they want. and there are very small stories like this, but very few. and people LOVE those stories from what I seen!

I think we are talking past each other. I said its not bl or shojou brainwashing ppl because its society as a whole even you agreed with what I said.
"expect the more feminine one to always be the bottom" - they expect that cause that how it shows in almost all media and society, not just BL, they used to this formula. not matter what movie you watch, most women are consider weak = considered bottom. "
Bl and shojou contribute to these tropes but they aren't the cause of them.
I think ks was pretty clear in showing this was an abused in pain person that had an unhealthy relationship with someone who turns out to be a serial killer with mommy issues. The ppl thinking killing stalking was a love story were probably children that shouldn't have been reading it in the first place because they are not old enough understand what abuse looks like or ppl that have not had good examples of healthy relationships in their life.
I don't think that ppl that think the weaker one should be the bottom are bad ppl, but I do think it's misogynistic. Being misogynistic doesn't mean you are a bad it just means you perpetuate sexist ideas.
I didn't say this story changes any sort of stereotypes. What I was commenting on was this idea that ppl have that the weaker, more submissive one, should be the bottom and how that is an extention of society as a whole. I am not saying the ones that comment this are the problem, but it's good to point out the issues with that way of thinking.
Having more stories with healthy relationships is great. There are now a lot more stories with healthy relationships as opposed to before. There is still that rape makes ppl love each other trope, but it's not as prevalent as before so i habe hope for the future.
I really can't understand why omegas MUST BE submissive and weak. This is stupid. A omega is equivalent to a woman in our world. Saying omegas can't be strong and bossy has literally the same meaning as woman's can't be. And not just the webtoon, practically on every yaoi webtoon that I read the bottoms were weak, submissive, cute etc. while the tops were rich, handsome and strong. NOT JUST THIS, there's rape in nearly every yaoi but the main characters always end up together in a happy way. Why? Cuz "Mr. Top" was regretting and he's FUCKING HANDSOME so it doesn't matter. The "bottom" will forget the bad things that happened to him. People really been ignoring this. Would you really be with your rapist even he/she was good looking? If the answer is yes, you need therapy. (And imagine someone referring to you not by your names but as "the one get fucked" and "the one who fucks)
(I'm talking about the first part here not the part about rape)
Are you stupid. Are you actually 12 years old? Have you never heard of *gasp* an Alpha female? This system doesn't only apply to men idiot. Try learning about things outside of yaoi.
I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. And i was not talking about only your comment. The rape part was something I was annoyed of. And I dont think minors can read gay sex