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I think it says on the last page 32-33 it’s been a while since I’ve read those chapters but it sounds right.

You should read it from the starting bc the novel is in much more depth about our cale's inner thoughts and the overall characters and story

Yeah, I think I might pop back and read it since there are a lot of new information I'm reading

I love their relationship but it definitely doesn't feel like a romantic one to me

Don't crush my dreams ;-; I still have hope though!! They only just met after all. Time for some platonic to romantic relationships in manhwa instead of jumping straight to the good stuff!

but it doesn't change that she was a villain, yes its because the fam were harsh, but it's also because she couldn't change her mindset that she became like that

she was...ruthlessly abused tho? I think it would be pretty difficult to "change her mindset" after that...
They weren't just "harsh," they were evil. She was a villain, but her family was neglectful, ignored the abuse, and even abused her themselves.
gonna have to say, I agree with OP on this one

While it doesn't change what she's done, it doesn't change the fact that day after day, they treated her like crap. If they treat you like crap you eventually break, especially in this case since the two sons are biological, and she's always felt like she doesn't belong. No one has ever been on her side and probably shown her true kindness. She only did what she could to survive because to them she's a "wicked girl". Not even mentioning, the poisoning attempts, the humiliation, the ridicule. The only difference between Penelope and Jane (? mc) is that Jane always had the future option to leave, and could never use her family's status, but Penelope can't leave but can use her family's status.

People can't change that easily, they can't just say I want to. Sometimes they have to have support, and there's no support here. Hell, this toxic environment probably destroys her drive to change.

Anyways that's just my perspective.

and that's on period

most of the poisonings were from the maids / slaves, the family never thought of her as their own fam because she isn't one of the fam. I'm sorry but she just isn't. and I got get the difference between the mc and her (wdym leave), it's a genuine question btw. I'm just asking cuz I don't understand, Pls fill me in on this.

I'm sorry but I don't really see the question. Is it the difference between the MC and Penelope? If it's that then the MC doesn't lash out like that because she hasn't been coddled and hasn't had the luxury to be like Penelope, the Duke still needs her and that's why he lets her get away with these things. The MC however was treated more like an abandoned puppy who was continued to be neglected.

Also, I don't know if you meant it this way but even if you don't see her as "one of the fam" you really shouldn't say that. These fictional characters are a representation of real-life situations. To me, it seemed like you were justifying the way people treat her, which may or not be your intention I can't say, but nothing can justify how they treated Penelope. She was a child, but her brothers blamed her, and the staff did too. She knew betrayal early on. So the real Penelope was twisted into somebody else because ultimately she didn't have a strong character. The real Penelope already changed, and she's been like that for so long and treated like crap for so long that she CAN'T change on a whim.

That's just my perspective.

the maids/slaves took the example from the masters that can and free to abuse her and they won't get any punishment for it. cause the masters already abuse her so why the maids won't do that too? like someone already said in the comments the servent represents his master. in this cause they were asshole pricks that enjoy abusing her and watching her suffer.

did you forget that they TOTALLY different people living in different TIME ? and that time Pen didn't have the ability to leave the abusive environment or even know she can live differently! she only knows the home she was living now! that all she know and she is different from the MC, sorry to tell you that.

different people react to abuse differently, not all react the same way. so no I totally NOT agree with you at all.
it have nothing to do with been strong or been weak!

okay let me put it like this, they are not blood related so I think that's why they didn't have the sibling relationship and the father. I feel like he's just a strict father who doesn't know how to treat kids right. And no, I wasn't trying to justify the way ppl treated her, it was horrible but it feels like some of y'all were saying that what she did after was just an 'explosion of her emotions', for me that's as if saying when a cheater is caught cheating the lover 'didn't give the cheater any attention'
This is also my perspective / opinion too.

I have never said that Penelope is weak in any way. I presented evidence and my own reasonings why Penelope may have acted like the villainess. Mentioning the abuse and humiliation she went through to show that she wasn't like she was. Penelope was originally a commoner and honestly seemed to have a kind heart. However, as we see her life in the Duchy we see that she's not like her childhood self, I never said Penelope was weak. Never.

I also know that she's different from the MC, if you took time to read the thread you'd know that I presented the differences between the MC and Penelope. I have acknowledged their differences. You don't have to agree with me, however, your inability to properly decipher what I presented in this thread shows that you have not properly understood my point. Now words I used POORLY in my last comment were "the only difference between Penelope and Jane (? mc)", but that was because it was the only difference I recognized at the moment.

I have never said that Penelope was "weak" for responding that way to abuse. I would never, my hatred towards domestic abusers and my compacity to empathize make it virtually impossible.

You phrased your words in a way that makes me seem like an antagonist, so don't cry about it later when you decide to comment "You didn't have to be so rude", I respond based on the situation, and I explained it mostly in a civil manner.

There are many things I take with a grain of salt, however, discrediting abuse is not one of them. I have not, and will never think that the original Penelope was weak because she's been through a lot (and I've gotten spoilers for the novel). So next time analyze the thread a bit more because my blood is boiling at 12:16 AM, and it's not enjoyable, especially after catching up on the latest chapters of Attack On Titan.

I get that, and it's a valid perspective. I see it more as she acts this way because people have painted her as that way. When she acts like that she's protecting herself because being nice didn't work out and she still experienced many betrayals. Was it justifiable? NO. No way. However, we should just acknowledge that Penelope deluded herself into this villainess character and it seemed impossible for her to change.

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I mean the game literally made Penelope drink a poison that like melted off her face? (I don't remember the EXACT wording of the spoiler I received). I think that she had to relive her life and consistently be killed (again I don't remember that well, but it kind of matches up with other details I received)