it's kinda funny when people who side with J.J get more hate than the one who sides with Leo. There are people saying that they're both at fault, but let's be honest, if anyone here has done more mistakes than the other, it's definitely Leo. Even though we're seeing it exactly in Leo's perspective, he's acknowledging it as well, people still try to defend him as if he's gullible and has no idea what's going on. He knows what's going on now, yet still there's no change in his behavior. The way he's acting in the present and how he's treating J.J is no different than the past. He's not learning anything.
I really don't get why you're all defending him, saying people who support J.J are projecting. How does that make sense? I saw someone saying that, but then admits they like toxic characters, yet somehow people who defend J.J are far more worse? I get that complex characters are interesting, theres character development, they go through ups and downs, but that hasn't happened with Leo yet, he's still the same as before and you guys are thinking like he's had his redemption arch just because he's all depressed now and realizing his mistakes have consequences. Get real.
If anyone here is projecting, it's those people that still think Leo is right, despite his flaws being laid out in front of everyone every single chapter, you guys still continue to play blind.
No one is right. Just because people dont agree with how leo is being treated doesnt mean they side with him. Lol its not redemption its him realizing thats its really over and he messed up i havent really seen anyone said they need to get back to together or anything just more so whats up with the aggression
Yeah ofc, and it's not redemption, yes, i meant that there's some people that think just because it finally dawned on Leo that they've actually broken up, means that he's realizing his mistakes now, and actually doing something to fix it, but no, he actually hasn't hit the nail on the head yet and he still has a long way before becoming a better character, a better lover, maybe
Uhh I feel like you keep misunderstanding my words, like the redemption and then fix. Haha. Also I don't know what to say really, we're shown a few panels of flashbacks from time to time, good ones and the bad, theres some lines from others talking about their relationship too, and from the main characters themselves. Even though we haven't gotten a full flashback of their love story, we did get enough that we're able to understand what they've been before, we even got a flashback from when they first met.
I don’t believe im misunderstanding. The few flashbacks that they showed us mainly showed snippets of reasons of why they broke up, and how they started dating. In reality this story started off with the end of their relationship. The good that they showed benefits JJs side of the story. In the last two chapters the energy from those videos are way different then the story we’ve been reading so far.
What? Please read all my comments again, and yours too. You are, You're saying you didn't see any comments about Leo having a redemtion arc or him fixing his himself but that was not the point im getting at. For the love of god its tiring to explain these things when people just hear what they wanna hear. I'm not saying he's had those things, it's the way just because Leo has had these thoughts that people think he's getting better now and he won't make past decisions. Bro its 2am HAHA
And also, even with only a few flashbacks, it's enough to get a grasp of how they used to be, what they were like, Leo especially. We've seen those happy moments, and how sweet they were to each other, but we've also seen a bit of what J.J dealt with, like how Leo brushed of the idea of going on a date (or a vacation maybe) just because he thinks it's inconvenient. He didn't even bother asking J.J whether or not je was fine witj that, and just made the decision on his own.
There's really not much to clarify. The author showed us the ups and downs, and then we can guess from that, that it's how their relationship is. If you feel like you need more of that to get a better understanding, then that's fine, but with what we've have, it's enough that we're not completely clueless
I don't know about you guys but I'm completely on J.J's side here. Mainly because I've been in his shoes too. It's easy to throw out the 'communication is key' shit but really if you're in that sort of relationship with that sort of person, that idea of just talking it out with them can be disregarded with their behavior. Sometimes you don't need an answer or an explanation to something, a person's actions are enough alone. When you constantly get treated like how J.J was, you get fed up that you won't even care about what the other person has to say anymore. Imagine your lover constantly showing you these red flags, it doesn't have to be similar to Leo's, you've tried pointing it out and the relationship has been going on for years and still his behavior doesn't change one bit. You'd start to think it's a lost cause.
Also, even if you guys say that they're both lacking communication, i feel like Leo's been the one to ignore the chances for it. J.J has been pointing out Leo's attitude towards their relationship, like how he feels like Leo is not treating him like a boyfriend, other things too, like how Leo prioritizes himself more without even sparing a thought of J.J, and it's not only J.J that's been calling out his behavior, it's their friends as well, even at the start before the break up. You guys can say that 'oh J.J knows that's what his personality is like before they started dating. he knew what he was getting into' No he didn't, Leo's out-going and extroverted personality has nothing to do with him failing to care more about his partner, his thoughts and emotions. And he may have been clueless that doesn't mean that that's an excuse and that you guys can just blame it all on J.J. He's failed to acknowledge J.Js words, failed to notice how his decisions impacted J.J, he doesnt even ask wether how J.J would feel or how he would feel about things. He thinks only for his own. I'm not saying he doesn't love him, but people can still be self-centered even if you're with the person you love.
So yeah...i have much more to say but I'm yapping too much. I felt like I didn't explain it properly so hopefully no one gets the wrong idea.
i think jj breaking things up is his last resort to get leo his shit together and then when jj thought they would reconcile leo suggest to be fuck buddy...... i sympathize with leo as I'm the same as him but his so immature and dense that jj could not bear it anymore. i think it's a good decision that they break up cuz they get plenty of time to reflect, but this shit is so sad ╥﹏╥
Atp just eat the eggs, make sum omelette or smthng