Heechan is so full-speed ahead in tackling life that he must be a breath of fresh air for Minjae lol. Like, if a guy who doesn't treat me like I'm fragile and instead treats me like he would no matter what is around me I'd feel better, too.
Heechan's character is so blunt that he could be offensive (like with how he reacted to Taekin being bullied) but his past is so intertwined I never feel like hating him because he just reacted differently due to his character and his own logic. He has no time to cry and be sad because he needs to work. He seeks a solution quickly instead of immersing in the situation/his feelings because that's how it worked best for him. And compared to Taekin who had no grocery market as a way out for him, Heechan is more positive in his outlook and decisions.
Honestly, I love how he's not unfeeling or a stoic character. That he gets mad and curses but he's still so grounded in his own ideas he's calmer than a person like him should be. Like SamK's Payback, he reminds me of Yoohan lol. He gives off the sense of someone who you want to orbit and be allowed to surround him because he seems like such a detached individual sometimes. Maybe this is why Minjae is interested in him lol.
Idk, he's a very interesting character.
I love that they're all weirdos and criminals but they're so humane we all collectively forgot they would probably get locked up lol
I'm not gonna talk about how much of a red flag ML is because it's obvious and apparent but I want to nerd about the imagery the author did in this manwha.
This author is the same author of Sura's Lover (WHICH I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT'S SHIT) and what I loved about the author is their skill in creating these beautiful and wonderful imagery, even amidst the shitty story of Sura's Lover.
First, the most apparent symbolism we have is the fish. The fish that we keep seeing is a betta fish, a fish known for their fighting tendencies. Another thing about these fishes are they're extremely territorial, which is why they need large spaces for themselves and why if you put two betta fishes together, they will fight.
What's interesting is that we can see how this fish represents the ML and the MC in different ways.
The ML is extremely territorial; he has cameras in his homes to watch our MC, he isolated (in a very extreme way) the MC so the MC will become dependent on him (which I will get to later) and he is, in a way only to himself, competitive in getting MC. We can see this throughout the manwha, how he binds the MC to him and especially in the backstory chapter. Honestly, this is the only aspect I can think of that relates the ML to the betta fish.
The interesting ones are all to the MC.
Like the fish, our MC is a beta. In the first chapter, we see the ML grasp the MC in his hands and crush it within his hands. You can interpret this how you want; either it means our ML broke our MC and in my way, how it means ML finally got MC in his hands by turning him into an omega by essentially trapping him in his hands. The interesting thing is, betta fishes in the right conditions CAN change genders. Just like how the ML conditions the MC's body with the pills he made the MC take for nine years (which I'm pretty sure was made possible because his family owns a pharmaceutical company).
Another is the 'territory' the ML made for the MC. Like I said, the ML continuously monitors the MC. In fact, almost everything is transparent to the ML just like how the betta fish is clearly displayed in the living room. No matter what the MC does, the ML knows and is always within his expectations (in the betta fish's case, in the confines of the large aquarium).
Second, the fish is in blue water. You might think "Well duh, that's like the usual color of water what's your point?" Think about it, what other thing is blue and has been a reoccuring imagery throughout the manwha? The ML's pheromones. Like he said, he surrounded the MC for years in his pheromones just like how the fish is surrounded (and dependent which the MC will undoubtedly be to the ML's pheromones) by the blue waters in its large, confining aquarium. Basically like the fish which can't live without water, MC will be unable to live without the ML's pheromones and the ML himself.
And lastly, the MC's imagery of being underwater. The clever thing the author did is making the color of the pheromones so like water. So in that panel where the MC is overwhelmed and seemed to be drowning in his guilt and confusion, it was a double imagery of him also being surrounded by the ML's pheomones. Like the betta fish, he's dependent on the water that is ML's pheromones. What's very cool about it is that if he does save himself from this drowning by leaving the ML and finding the truth, he won't be able to live anymore because he's already dependent on the ML. He either breaks himself to madness when he leaves and questions things (which the ML conditioned him to never do) or he just stays in the ML's territory made for him, happy and oblivious but still confined.
That's it. Just a lil' ramble lol.
Also oh my god, the title! "Raising Beta" because the ML is literally raising a beta (the MC). Damn, this author should just really abandon BL and go for mystery/horror they're so witty and great in writing plots! (Though not romance).
You’re obviously a writer! This was a really well thought out assessment and observation of the intertwining play of symbolism juxtaposed in two alternate realities/backdrops. The undertones of the story are far more darker and overt than the obvious displayed and given situation surface wise.
I'm not a writer I just like to overthink a lot about stories but thank you lol ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
I would like to add: the background is immaculate, too. the artist designs the ML's home to look like a fish tank or aquarium. Lots and lots of glass, huge glass windows everywhere. It makes a dreamy and dim background, as if the characters are under water
Oh yes that's true!! Very good observation!!
I have so much to say about this manwha. And they're not all good things
THE BAD
- The romance: the romance between the main character Cho-Ah and the ML Mujin is the worst I've ever seen. It completely toppled Black Lotus on my ranking of "Most Frustrating BL Ships". The chemistry is just.. it's STUPID. I know psychological ships don't follow legal/common sense but it has to AT LEAST make sense and likeable enough for it to have chemistry. This ship has NONE of that.
- cont.: This is a glaring plot hole in the manwha. And for a BL, it's something that should not exist. The factors are there to build this great psychological ship but it's not utilized by the author. I'll explain by describing the characters.
- Cho-A. The MC (shou, bottom, uke). The worst kind of character to exist: stupidly naive. For a character that gets repeatedly (CONTENT WARNING: sexual assault/rape) sexually assaulted by NUMEROUS people you'd think he'd at least be wary. But no! He never fucking learns! He has this seemingly blind trust in the ML (Mujin) but it's actually (in my opinion) his savior complex at play. He has FOUR love interests and cheated with TWO of them despite having an "official" boyfriend (Mujin). It's dubious consent but the way it was handled and the way he treats it makes it like he,,, fuck I can't believe I'm saying this,,, he's so hypocritical of his affection for Mujin. It feels disgusting to see him be like "No guys I can't do this >:( I have a boyfriend" while simultaneously being casual about the fact that 1. he just had sex with this person he just met (under the influence of an aphrodisiac courtesy of said new person) and 2. make out with his ex (he was seduced but still, make up your mind). The other love interest (a title that should probably not exist for this character) is a psychopath who threatened him and raped him because he's obsessed with Mujin. But the way the author made him entangle with Cho-A is not good at all. That's why he's in this grey area of love interest. Cho-A has some good points but it's completely overshadowed by these scenes where he's like a white lotus (in my opinion).
- Mujin. In my opinion, is one of the most complex and wasted character ever created. I think the author nailed his character of being this God and Human and his contribution to the story is absolutely monumental. He is the titular main character (he's Sura) and lives up to the role. He's thought provoking and he's interesting; his backstory is very complex and deep and his obsession with normality has logical reasoning behind it (and one of my favorite plot tbh). But he's confined in this box where he's this obsessive lover of Cho-A and whose common sense deteriorates because of Cho-A. He could have been so much more; he has the foundation for a very remarkable main character but it's all overshadowed by the romantic/useless sex scenes pushed down our throats. He's psychopathic and as an ML is a definite red flag. Which contributes to his ship with Cho-A being unbearable to read.
- The romance. Is absolute dog-shit. J can't root for them, I just can't! Cho-A has a personality of a naively stupid white lotus. He feels hypocritical! He's so bland compared to Mujin's deep and rich character. Usually it's the MC who's full of personality and not the ML but this one is reversed. Mujin as a character is great, but as an ML? Nah. He's the worst. He repeatedly takes what he wants and kills who he wants without mercy, even at the cost of Cho-A's happiness. They're all measures of fucked up but it's the kind of fucked up that you cannot find anything to root for.
- cont. the whole foundation of the romance lies entirely with Mujin. His makes sense. He's obsessed with Cho-A because Cho-A is his ideal personification of a calm and normal life. He's obsessed with normal and empathy, both which Cho-A represents and shows him. Cho-A on the other hand can't give us a straight answer on WHY he's with Mujin. The author tries to cover up this plot hole by addressing it but not answering it at all. Cho-A just keeps repeating "Mujin is my lover... I musn't forget" which reinforces the reasons WHY he shouldn't be with him in the first place! He clings to Mujin, makes Mujin cling to him, but he says this line while simultaneously cheating with his ex? Make it make sense! In my observation, Cho-A has a savior complex which is the reason why he has "blind trust" and empathy towards Mujin. He's Mujin's "light" and therefore his savior. This reason completely degrades the romance because the way it was handled/utilized by the author presents the direct opposite.
- What I mean is, the author tries to convince you that Cho-A has always loved Mujin (because of pure love and understanding) and Mujin has always loved Cho-A as his light but it's simply a relationship of self-satisfaction. I would have enjoyed if the author took this (obvious) route instead. The hypocritical nature of their relationship makes me wish that this wasn't a BL at all with how much I skipped their scenes.
- The repetition. Don't get me wrong, I love repitition as a device to show how irredeemable a character is but the repetition got on my nerves. Especially on the romance. It never improves. At all. They always get back to square one. It's a constant cycle of questioning, trying to clarify, lying, getting exposed, glossing over the problem, then back to questioning and over and over again. Cho-A's repeated naive and stupid actions (and judgements) were frustrating to the point of stressing me THE FUCK out. It reminds me so much of True Beauty's repetition and we all know how much of a shit manwha that was.
THE GOOD
- The Plot. No, not the romantic plot. The Serious Plot. The plot of Mujin Self vs Sura Self. Absolutely well done. Handled well, the imagery was wonderful, not much was said but enough was given. 5 stars all around. The political struggles of the current palace? Flavorful. The crown prince's part of this plot was absolutely stunning to watch. He's what Mujin should have been. Analytical, shrewd, and purposeful. The only times he was useless in my opinion was when the author paired him with Cho-A (like seriously, what the fuck was that?). The secret of Cho-A's father of him trying to assassinate Mujin? A true shock and a great foundation for Mujin's character growth. It showed why he's distrustful, it showed why Mujin hated him because of his selfishness as a doctor. I'd say that this dead character probably had more plot relevance compared to Cho-A. Literally, if the romantic plot was completely discarded the Serious Plot would have absolutely made this a true art. A shame it was wasted due to the stupid romantic aspect.
- The art. Absolutely stunning. I love the colors, the imagery, the miniscule details. The artist is a gem and I wish them all the forehead kisses in the world.
All in all, don't read this if you want stress. I DO NOT recommend.
Would the story had been any different of it wasn't bl? even if it was FxF or MxF nothing would have changed except the the gender of white hair dudes obsession
or is it the fact that it's marked as BL meaning there's romance between the two, if that's so that I understand. However from what I see the author doesn't portray it as romance. This is the same author who made incidentally living together so I know for a fact they know how to portray romance so i can say as a facf this is not ment to be perceived as romance.
It's ment to portray domestic abuse, obsession, torture all in the of love which seeing your response does very well. you pointed out that the two mc relationship lacks chemistry that alone should tell you that relationship is never ment to be viewed as romantic
I agree. And I think all that rape and abuse made Cho-ah the way he is. The author made a good job of portraying a person suffering from trauma, physical and mental. Do you think a person will be strong-willed after all that? I don't know why we tend to nitpick on mentally broken down characters, it's like victim-blaming in 2D. When I read this, I felt Cho-ah's fear and horror whenever he realizes what the ML is capable of (and who he is). And the rape scenes isn't there to make us feel love & lust (at least, the way I see it)... I think we're meant to feel discomfort and terrified, since biological responses to sexual stimulation doesn't stop just because we don't want it. I wish we've got control over all of our nerve endings, but no. So the horror and psychological tag is apt in this case. Especially whenever Cho-ah mentions or thinks that Mujin is his lover when that's definitely not the case when he's fleeing from him that he fell of a cliff and lost his memory. Like, if that's not conditioning or brainwashing, what else could that be? And all that sex to reinforce the thought that you really are your captor's lover? (your brain definitely flooded with all that dopamine, endorphins and oxytocin)
Definitely not meant to be perceived as romance whenever the ML is a psychopath, I think. But I understand the frustration with Cho-ah's character, because it seemed like he doesn't grow. Like, I want to root for him so badly and escape this cycle of terror. And you can see that he does want to escape his situation but he's held back by something like Stockholm syndrome (since he's relied heavily on ML for survival), more than a saviour complex. And we all know that it's not easy to escape your abuser, such is the case in modern real life too... What more in this medieval-fantasy setting that he's in? Ah, I feel really bad for everything that's happened to Cho-ah. He's not meant to be a well-rounded character, and he can't grow until the end since he's trapped.
I think the author did great in portraying abuser-victim dynamic. Even at the end, where Mujin succeeded in becoming King and locking up the object of his obsession. There's no balance in power to begin with, and Mujin is packaged in a way most charismatic abusers are. I think the way he's illustrated as this rich and complex character is definitely well done, too. HE'S A PRETTY TRAP. And Cho-ah is unfortunate.
When I say I wished this wasn't BL, I mean I wished this wasn't BL in how much the forced smut took so much of the story progress it annoyed me to the point where I ask, "How many chapters should I skip so I can just get to the plot?" I wished this didn't have any sense of "romance" at all and just had the Serious Plot. Or in my opinion, just had MC and ML as two different sides of the coin or ML being a villain character who covets the MC because the MC embodies someone he wants to be.
Honestly, the "romance" repulsed me so much I wished any semblance of it was gone. That's what I mean when I said I wished it wasn't BL. I wished it was just a "Plot-Manwha" because the Serious Plot is so intruiging and the "Romance" Plot got in the way of the manwha. It's like how I wished Twilight focused on the side characters' stories instead of Bella's, you get me?
I agree the rape scenes aren't there to arouse us but honestly, I wish it was done in a way that shows this to us. Sure, we can see how Cho-A reacted to it but I can't get the sense that the author wanted us to react in that way. Like I said, the way the author made Cho-A react after the Prince's rape is so... nonchalant? It rubbed me off the wrong way so much. You can argue the author meant it as Cho-A so shocked he can't react properly but it really didn't feel like it.
And I disagree with Cho-A being meant as a well-rounded character because if he wasn't... why is he the main character? Because he's the object of ML's obsession? If the main character is unlikeable, to the point where we want to give up on them, why are we supposed to root for him? Maybe I just prefer main characters with a backbone but the way Cho-A acts is... in my opinion I wished the author handled it better. Not even in like "Make him a bad ass way" but more like, more realistic, more humane, more anger. And at the very least, smarter. Give him grit as much as he had kindness. Make him harder as he get entangled with Mujin so his arc doesn't fall behind the Serious Plot. Because the way he developed (or his lack thereof) didn't spark the empathy I'm supposed to have, instead it was frustration and the eventual desire to drop the manwha altogether.
If I'm being honest, it's the overdone "weak bottom" and "strong top" that made the power dynamics overdone and made their whole plotline so weak in the face of the subplots.
The rape scenes were so overdone it didn't feel like it was supposed to be what you said it was supposed to serve. There are more tactful ways to do it, more direct ways to present it, and this manwha did not do that. Maybe I'm numb to it all but at the point where I go "What is the purpose of these scenes in the overall plot" I'm pretty sure it's not purposeful anymore.
Like, the plotline between Cho-A and Mujin pales so much to the political tension plot and Mujin's personal plot. You can see this as you've said, that Mujin is packaged as a charismatic psychopath. He's so developed, even the prince had more character development and depth than Cho-A, the main character mind you. I just wished Cho-A had a more personal depth to him that was actually explored.
I respect your opinion but in my opinion, main characters, even if they meet bad endings, should be at least likeable to a degree when we reach the ending. Unfortunately, maybe it's my personal preferences, Cho-A as a main character failed on this part with how his character was handled.
I agree with everything you're saying like all you're comments responding to me, however, about your last comment I feel like Cho-A towards the end not having any growth is his character is a symbolic choice and I'm not talking about no character growth at all because he did have a bit character growth towards the beginning and middle there however once we draw near to the ending all that stopped.
So why I think it's as symbolic choice rather than terrible writing is because, well one it doesn't take place in modern times where we have help lines in extreme cases like these. Like if the Mujin had done the same thing in modern times the cops would have been on his ass. Like I'm talking manhunt, fbi, swat, etc because he would be marked as a serial killed who needs to be detainee immediately with the appropriate technology and tools to do so. And along side the help line there'd be physiologists, therapists, helping Cho-A recover from that and get back on his feet once again. with all that alone Cho-A would have been able to escape the clutches and moved on from his life. Unfortunately this doesn't take place in modern times leaving Cho-A forever trapped in this situation while his mental health takes a serious toll. Even if he had escaped it'd be useless because Mujin would bring him back and chain him up and torture him time and time again.
It really shows just what torture can do to you because yea it stops the peaceful challenges of your daily life that enables a character to grow. Not all cases like these get their happy endings and it's shown with this manhwa. Cho-A who so innocently and naively believed everyone no matter what past or person they are deserves to be treated with kindness and look where that belif ended him up..
and while I'm not sure what your definition of character growth is, the story isn't over and maybe just maybe we'll see a bit although its not likely in this case
Oh, I said Cho-ah is "not meant to be a well-rounded" character. He doesn't have to be. He's the titular lover a.k.a the object of the seme's obssession. He wasn't even treated humanely in the story. And wasn't able to grow because of Mujin, we can see this tangible confinement in the end.
And honestly, for me, a main character doesn't have to be a certain way. Like in the real world, where we are the center of our little slices of the perceived universe, I only have to emphathize with the character. And he's the main character precisely because we get to observe his journey more closely.
I agree that Cho-ah feels a bit disconnected and lacking in terms of character growth, but it was clearly shown in the beginning that he has so much potential. But after meeting Mujin, he's become a shell of who he was. And his role shifted to just being the object of the seme's obsession. So in a way (for me) it's a reflection of how someone's potential can be wasted because of unfortunate turn of events. As for his "nonchalant" reaction to the prince's rape, I took it as Cho-ah being numb to everything. But I understand that it's hard to root for a main character with a defeatist attitude, and as I've said... I wanted to root for him so badly but I don't think it's easy to escape his situation (Mujin will still find him even if he does escape tho). I respect your opinion, too. It's nice to have discussions like this ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
And I agree that the rape scenes were over done. I don't know if maybe BL authors think that they get more readers that way? It's just my guess as it's an obvious trend. Ah, I had this thought that maybe Cho-ah has become addicted to sex, too, since there were too many smut and rape scenes. So I just scroll past the cringe-y, terrifying moments! I don't know if it's just me, but losing control over your body is definitely one of the worst things that can happen to a person. And maybe I emphathize with Cho-ah too much because I know many people like him ╥﹏╥
I agree with you on this one, well said!!!
I agree. You've added everything else I wanted to say
Also, for me, Cho-ah as a character that is the "object of obsession" of the powerful Sura is portrayed very good. You saw how he became a shell of what he once was (or what he could've been as a talented physician, in this setting). The author did great in conveying the feeling of futility of escape as well as how life can take a turn for the worst with just trusting the wrong person.
I really liked this discussion as well (ノ≧∇≦)ノ you had some great insights and your ability to read characters and hidden details in this story is amazing. every since the blue curtain Tumblr post it's been so hard to have proper discussion with people online over stories like these. It's like they've never taken the basic 8th grade rhetoric English class which is important for deep media literacy understanding. It still baffles me how people see killing stalking or these types of stories as a romance where psychopaths, torture, rape, and abuse are "hot" I genuinely have deep concerns for those types of people
btw have you tried 'Hwang Young's Misery'? it's currently my favorite my favorite manhwa in sense if it's portrayal of Stockholm Syndrome I've been wanting to rant to someone about that (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I honestly can't even say I respect your opinion cause I 10000000% agree with everything that was discussed. I just love analysis discussions like these where were on the same page, no arguing, and just discussing symbolic moves, choices of persuasion, and analyzing the authors choices. if I could I'd kiss you in a platonic way cause you're the type of friend I wanna read bl with
Right?! This discussion is really nice ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶. And it's good to know that some of us still practice reading comprehension. I was wondering about that, too, especially those who just shuts you down when you "complain" about characters, when it's supposed to be natural to question things (as OP said, it's 'thought provoking'). Some assume that everyone reads just for the smut, it's insane.
And also, how can you ship the victim with their abuser? I really want to ask them if they're okay. If they say that it's fine since it's just a story, then it makes me wonder... are they the kind of people that don't care unless it happens to them (or to someone close to them)? Is it because they lack empathy? I mean, shouldn't we all know (as readers)that the literature (or whatever multimedia art/text) that exists in a given time period is a reflection of its society? And so I believe that all art and literature can be subjected to criticism, interpretation and analysis ┗( T﹏T )┛
Yes, it's in my reading list!! Definitely a good portrayal of Stockholm Syndrome. I think it's been more than a month since the last update（/TДT)/
I want to be friends, too! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
You've raised really great points, too! And I usually just lurk around the comments section, but when I saw how you expressed your opinion in a calm, collected manner... It made me want to share mine ヾ(☆▽☆)
and to the OP @janchai (Idk how to tag you, is it possible?) who started this topic, thank you for opening the floor! I respect your opinions, truly. You've raised valid points, too! When you said that the ship in this story is illogical, it made me think that author has effectively communicated that this is not a love story as it isn't supposed to be. The romance aspect felt forced because it is, by the oppressive seme. And maybe because I don't ship the main characters at all that I didn't think that the lack of chemistry is a plot hole.
Ok, this might be a dumb question but what does "cont." mean?
Cont. Is an abbreviation for continued.
Ahh, now I get that part, thanks!
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I agree with Cho-A being helpless to Mujin, after all he is human in the face of a psychopathic Sura. I just think it would have been more impactful if he had more of a character growth or defiance against Mujin. I know that this is a grim story-ending but I think there should have been even a little bit of positive change to at least round up his character. Doesn't matter if he regresses, just a little bit.
Imagine a hateful Cho-A, a Cho-A who once again takes up a knife and plunges it at anyone who tries to take advantage of him, who uses his life as a threat against Mujin's overtaking. How would Mujin react, how would Cho-A, a doctor who is supposed to save lives, view life when he ultimately despises it? It would be a sharp contrast to the Serious Plot, and in my opinion, would once again tilt the balance of the "Romance" plot with the Serious Plot. Ah, that really sounds the most exciting!!
And it's just a personal preference, but when I read dark manwhas like these it hits more in the ending when, after the main character grows and sharpens, they are ultimately beaten back to where they started, hopeless and resigned to their fate lol. If the author is going the dark route, they might as well go all the way out ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I don't know how to work the tagging system too, lol. But yes, the "love story" went straight out the window somewhere in Ch. 30s. That's why I wished it wasn't BL but a Plot Manwha instead because I really had high hopes for the manwha with how promising the plot and its characters were but alas, my hope wilted by the time of writing this review.
Honestly, by the point where Mujin and Cho-A's routine started I realized "Oh these people AREN'T gonna be good together fr" and my repulsion towards any romance started. It became even more unbearable when the smut became more and more and more excessive to the point where I go "Am I, a capable adult woman, really going to torture myself to read through these scenes just for the sake of the promising Serious Plof?" Yes, I did. And what a mistake it was lol.
I respect all your opinions as well! It's fun to exchange ideas and insights about anything in an accepting environment. I had fun reading your thoughts and opinions on this manwha (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Also thank you for exchanging ideas and insights with me in such wonderful manner. It's always a pleasure to find a great discussion to enjoy
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Oh my god I never even thought of that, you're right though, a Mujin who ends up taking a life despite his previous beliefs on how all lives should be saved would contrast well with his original character and would make a really good character growth. If the author did this while trying to maintain a dark plot I'd imagine it'd be something like 'the abused becomes the abuser' showing the effect on how everyone responds differently when faced in these types of situations. Some become completely submissive while others learn the world ain't shit and becomes like their abuser.
Yes, that's exactly why I was frustrated with Cho-A!! Cho-A already became submissive but like any other human, he has to have a breaking point where he completely reverses. He had this really good potential for a contrary to Mujin (which I thought was what the author was going for when they revealed it was Cho-A's father who killed Mujin before).
Imagine Mujin, who was killed by Cho-A's father, also "killed" by Cho-A who finally discarded his belief on how all lives should be saved! Imagine Cho-A hunting down the prince who viewed him for a prize against Mujin. Imagine the prince realizing that Cho-A isn't a blade he can weild against Mujin but a blade that's poison in his hands.
Cho-A doesn't have to be a complete badass to be a remarkable character. He could still be weak while undergoing character growth since he has the strongest weapon he could have: affecting Mujin.
damnnnn i read every single words and i strongly agree with u. i think this author, shin yuri i mean. like to create the bottom characters is so f stupid naive and weak. nothings new from this author def not my type haha
He really can be frustrating and the author does have a tendency to go for really unbalanced power dynamics hahahaha. But the story the author makes have really interesting plots so I always find myself trying it again and again lololol
definitely recommend! Misunderstandings didn't last long and they're so straightforward and cute with each other!!! AAAAAH(≧∀≦)
You know... bro wouldn't have died if he didn't go back... I'm... this is so... anticlimatic?
Also, I'm confused coz it seems like in the main story the MC got cursed because he had like sex with other ppl besides ML so I thought dude was committing infidelity but he... never did? He was raped...? I'm confused why was he punished for that...?
I think it was a lie for the MC to figure out himself
like when the MC asked the ML if he was his pass lover or smth that clicked a clue idk
I understand where the story was going but honestly the nightmare are cruel though, raping him js to bring him back?
I think seme is the one who put the curse. He want uke to remember him again. That's why he use that method to get uke back
well yeah that’s what the story was abt but I think they were talking abt how unnecessary the rape dreams were
Right? Like I kinda get why the ML is so obsessed with having him but the rape scenes were just... unecessarily cruel
That's crazy in the most evil way does ML even love him
Yea that it was just downright cruel
He love him but yeahh.. i guess that's what we call RED