ashitaka's Topics (170)

Yes it’s not « stop » but don’t act like you don’t understand, what « wait » mean here

Did you just? LMFAO!

What ?

I meant to like sorry.

Dislike this ? And for what, It’s just the true

Hiiragi was not ready

There is two seasons, first season is of dojin and taehee and the second season is taehwan and yeonwoo

It just I’m not a big fan when it’s the same story but a different couple, does the second couple is also interesting ?

Yes it’s very interesting!!

Okii Thanks !! I already love the first one !

It's soooooo good!!!! I love dark, manipulative characters like Cirrus

I also like character like that but… idk why it’s a no for me :/ sadly the plot is really good but I don’t want to see them end up together… so

Well it won't be everyone's cup of tea so I respect your opinion. Personally I love the story and characters. Aside from the cover art it's obv Skylar and Cirrus will end up together because of the wordplay with their names. The sky and clouds belong together. So cute

Maybe leave it a while for the chapters to gather up and come back to it. Ive read the Korean version up to chapter 23 and it's getting soooo intense!!!

I’ve read the raw too ! Yes I’m gonna do that, but I think this story is just not for me :/
Honestly I love story with a big character development for the characters … but even if he had one I still don’t want them together

Have you read ch23? I'm so scared for Skylar

Yea I did omg !


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I can’t wait for the next update, I’m so afraid for him pls, maybe it’s going to be the beginning of the character development for Cirrus idk ?

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I think he try to kill himself by an overdose ? I need to knowwwwwwww

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YES!!!! I'm getting a really uneasy vibe from the whole ending scene. I definately think Skylar is suicidal and that Cirrus will find him and help. Maybe him showing genuine concern and comfort will bring them closer? I hope so at least. I'm so worried for Skylar!!!!

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I don't think he has his meds with him. His mom found them hidden in his school books. I think he's either slit his wrists or is trying to drown himself in a tub. Either way, Cirrus is about to discover just how messed up his little game was and just how unstable Skylar really is.

Yes I agree. I don't think it's his pill but something else. With the way their relationship has been going lately something has to happen to help them connect and I think this is it. I just wish poor Skylar didn't have to suffer!

Please I’m so worried too, I really like his characters
I know it’s going to be better for him later but lsksks I feel sad for him !!!
Can’t wait for the next uptade

Ohhhh yes you’re right !!

I also don't want them to get together right now. Any relationship they develop at this point would be toxic as all hell. Maybe Cirrus will develop or maybe he'll use this new development to further isolate and manipulate Skylar. It really could go either way, but he's been such an ass since the very beginning that I don't really have any hope that he'll actually change anytime soon. That said, I'm dying to see where this goes. If nothing else, the author has done a great job with the characters.

Yes absolutely!!! I'm looking forward to how their relationship will develop. I know Cirrus can be an ass but I don't think he would use this against Skylar. I hope not anyway. He is really bothered by the fact Skylar has been ignoring him and wants to get close to him but doesn't know how to approach him. Doesn't excuse his asshole behaviour but that's my thoughts. I find all the characters in this manhwa so interesting

I really wish bl authors would stop equating male lust with violence, sadism and danger. It's become a very tired trope...

Ikr I don’t know why they do that for given pls

Is this the link for the raws or a translation btw

Is there chapter 42?? So that I could properly conclude the situation since at the end.. Ends with a cliffhanger...

For now.. I could say Hiraagi's actions is just like a reflection of his character.. He is a bright but aggressive.. But idk why author did that dark route..

I just hope... This is him being overwhelmed with his feelings... If this goes into a worse scenario..

I did not read the next scenes after hiraagi pushed shizu... The next chapters shocked me as well!!!

Why with all the aggression??? I do not get it??

I meant next panels..

It's been on my mind since I've read chap 41 and after rewatching the anime and rereading the manga i like to share what i concluded if y'all remember how Akihiko described his first love and how it made him feel this rage and how any touch from ugetsu felt like needles piercing his skin , i think it's like that with chizu and why he was so agressive with hiiragi it's that type of love that gets under your skin and makes you lose any good sense in your head and it's not lovey dovey kind of love that we imagine in our heads from all the stupid princesses love stories we read growing up and that's why we missed the point , i found myself even thinking why wasn't chizu more gentle with hiiragi and why didn't he kiss him more to make him feel less scared and that's not the type of love the author is writing the story of , it's the overlook type that usually stay a secret between two friends and that we rarely hear about cause it's too messy to talk about and some of us might experience and still question in their mind "what the fuck was that" i guess it's that type that gives the ick and makes you feel like you're gonna lose your mind over (︶︿︶)

Maybe that is the one author is trying to portray... I have no say on this since I am inexperienced.. So.. I am just shocked

You should give it a thought , though I'm not saying that's 100% how it is between them but I think it's pretty close

I’ll be honest, I have no idea what the hell any of this means.

so funny

I think it's something that's not obvious unless you're bi or gay and i will try to explain how i see it cause I've been observing the relationship of people around me and my own since highschool and I'll try to put in perspective if i can so..what i noticed about the heterosexual dynamic of two people having a crush and in love is that it's mostly starts and is driven by their opposite nature and their physical attraction according to what a straight male and straight female find attractive and this is in the case of those individuals brought up in a a normal house hold who weren't abused or have some sort of daddy issues or abondamment issues and these couple for example will find that they would fall in a given simple roles of one leading and the other following in their relationship and they will just stay in that rigid dynamic and even the one that they feel so much desire for each other will hit a wall at some point too and stay in that shallow dynamic but it still would feel fulfilling to them somehow , now if you take a same gender casual relationship or ones that have been in love for so long it's not about wanting and desiring that other person it's more that one sees the other as what he lacks in themselves and it would be so clear cause their the same half of a circle and you will see that they will cling to one another cause they represent the missing pieces in themselves and that's where the anger and rage come from sometimes cause that missing piece and the feeling attached to it is so deep that having their way with that person like a normal heterosexual couple will not be enough or fulfilling and that's where sometimes toxicity and the need for extreme D&S dynamic will arise and that's where you will find the most examples of non consensual acts and even violence take place like what happened with the characters here

I’m sorry, but this still makes no sense, and it doesn’t really seem to have much to do with Shizu or Hiragi’s situation.
In fact you really are overthinking this, the reason Shizu looks like a possessive sadist in the sex scene has more to do with the fujo version of fan service, rather than resembling how people actually think or behave. Same as with Akihito and his dubcon moment, it’s just porn for the audience.

I was talking about the basis that a piece of story like given could be centered on , And it is usually refelct how most relationships are , how do you think most readers can relate to it but you just want to reduce it to whatever you said about fan service or whatever .suit yourself pal

But that’s the problem, you and a lot of other readers are taking your own personal experiences and projecting it into the story to try and find a motive for the characters actions where none is given. Your reaching for scenarios outside of the story and then acting as if that is what happened in the story.

And it is just not true that in “most” gay relationships the partners are more possessive or committed than in straight relationships. You can go look at the statistics, infidelity is far more common among gay couples than straight ones, while simultaneously having the lowest rate of domestic violence. On a whole, gay men are a lot more fickle when it comes to romance and devotion.

Again, the reason the semes in Given, or most BL actually, want to desperately possess and dominate their partners is because it’s a straight woman’s fantasy, not because this is how most gay men actually behave. Not saying it’s bad, or that people are wrong for indulging in the fantasy, but you shouldn’t confuse fantasy with reality.

Are you sure it's only a "straight " women's fantasy , that's more of stereotype that was pushed upon and generalized on women . As for my experiences they're far more different to reflect them on what's going on in this manga's storyline just to clarify .