Before you go off, I understand that he views himself as consistently inferior, and I know that he's afraid to ask for help.
However, it doesn't change the fact that it's obvious that as of now, his damn husband does not like him, he despises him. (don't mention the car part, the MC doesn't know about that) He so desperately clings onto the possibility that he could be given any affection by this person when it's obviously not going to happen. Self-esteem works differently for everyone, but first and foremost this is a story, it's writing, not real life.
The plot ties in that the husband is in love with the MC's music, like wtf, there's no point. We as the audience generally do not like the husband, so now that there's a subplot that basically makes him a ML, what part of that will be well received. This manhua relies heavily on the "pity card", we feel bad for the MC, for the husband. It doesn't feel like the plot is moving forward. It's a perpetual back in forth of "I hate you", and "some affection".
I genuinely believe from a writing standpoint, that theme of "a perpetual back in forth of 'I hate you', and 'some affection'" will not be executed well. Right now, readers are really just cheering someone on because of hate, but because the plot doesn't feel like it's moving forward readers will likely drop the manhua.
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I agree cause I’ve read the novel and at some certain point I was getting annoyed with the MC....but I got to understand he wasn’t playing the pity card he just loved him for too long and kept assuring himself that eventually things would turn out and when he genuinely snapped he completely lost fate and ran mad with grief, the only thing I’m sad about is that he still ended up with the Seme....although the Seme really suffered and they had a lot of closure from each other I just wished they didn’t end up together I liked the other guy better
But hey that’s how the author wants it to be
Damnnnn he high key hot asf.
Like sis I wanted the MC to be in a wlw relationship because fuck men, but he's fine as well so I'm not against it.
I think we completely miss the idea of Jayna experiencing trauma, a betrayal so large that it scarred her fundamentally. Cassiel's betrayal in the first life was something far worse to Jayna than we think it was. Her childhood lover suddenly fell for someone else, broke all their promises, left her behind, and worst of all turned on her without the slightest bit of hesitation.
Jayna had to endure years of being ignored by Cassiel, and then years of rumours and gossip of being abandoned. So Jayna can't see him the same anymore because she's seen and experienced that cruelty that she never wants to go through again. Think of it like, a woman being afraid of men due to a really bad past experience.
I don't believe that Jayna is completely in the moral right, however, I don't believe that we should expect her to see Cassiel for who he is now, if who he was then was a possibility.
YES!!!! Exactly... We shouldn't expect Jayna to understand Cassiel in this life. She's clearly been through things that won't be easily forgotten.
Yesss these comments. You can especially tell how traumatized she was when you go back to when she and cassiel first met again in this life. She looks so heartbroken and so clearly disgusted
Okay, some things may sound problematic because it's hard to word this in a way that doesn't make you sound like the worst human crap around, but I promise this is out of concern and criticism.
First off, ew Dane is showing heterosexuality like he's already a man, how far can you fall.
Secondly, I DESPISE THIS TROPE SO MUCH. Like it's so overused and it's just kind of shames the use of abortion. The pregnant person never wants the child, but ALWAYS ALWAYS gives birth to it. Like it is genuinely so annoying.
Yeonwoo is 100% going to go back to him, with this kid, like wtf?!?! It's so, recycled, and overused. So, I'm hoping that the author finds a way to make this interesting because the trope alone pisses me off (because it's so prevalent). It's always an "I'll keep this kid as a reminder of you, when you were toxic, abusive, etc." like I have not found a single story otherwise. If you want to keep the kid, go ahead, but if the damn ML wasn't so damn shitty, then I wouldn't feel so mad about this.
However, it does advance the plot, and while it is an overused trope, one cannot deny how popular it is in the BL, omegaverse, and even straight romance industries. I hope the author learns to execute this well, however, I consistently have my doubts with this trope, usually the child being a link back into a previously toxic and harmful relationship.
I agree with you. Jerk seme and unwanted pregnancy is sooo overused. I’m so conflicted the art is pretty but the plot is so cliche and horrible. Why can’t there be more of nice and caring seme?
This is only the second time ( I think) that I found a omegaverse that wants abortion :( Im a bit confused at the first part you said about Dane?
That was more of a joke :P
Ooh okay. I kinda didn't get it actually on how he is showing heterosexuality haahha
HE'S FINDING ME HOT AND LEAVING ME WET-
Okay but like he's so hot and for what? I know he's probably not the second male lead, but he's got my second male lead syndrome acting up!
He's so much hotter than Keith, can't change my mind.
I genuinely don't care if there's some kind of plot twist. I hate her, and I hate Sovieshu as well. They disrespect her authority as one of the highest people in the Empire, in fact, the Emperor shouldn't be able to get away with protecting her because of checks and balances.
Rashta is also emotionally intelligent, but she's a fucking bitch. She weaponizes the Emperor's affection for her. She's constantly out of line, forcing others to be considerate of her when she isn't in return. She could live fine as a regular concubine who gives birth to the Emperor's heir, but she's constantly trying to usurp Navier.
I hate her, and no matter what the author does, I will still hate her. She's being so dumb by challenging the Empress, who is from (i think) a ducal house. The emperor isn't grateful either, because princes often need the support of powerful nobles to ascend the throne, but all he has is audacity.
If I isekai into that world, I will literally pull a french revolution.
Well I might join the French revolution with you (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Me too
she literally is the highest authority her and the emperor are supposed to be equals and he treats her like this. i hate him and trashta
I'm a bit concerned about the MC because their personality towards Daiki is kind of creepy. I really like the main premise, but just, it's so creepy.
Someone, please justify to me why it's not creepy because I think it kind of is and the weird sexual situations that are happening after aren't helping. Like, I'm getting almost predatory vibes and the fact that the main character is an mlm is not helping either, in fact, it's pushing it down the roof. Someone, please explain to me why I'm being oversensitive as an mlm, and that this isn't what I'm interpreting it as.
I pray before my lord and saviour Toma, give me power to push through this.
Ok ok ok, maybe it's just because I don't like the mc who constantly feels the need to personally involve himself more than he needs to.
Yeah? Yeah.
i kinda get it but i also don’t get it lmao i actually love them but it went somehow from 0 to 100 lol and i think it’s cute that he wants to help toma to experience things that he also could experience as a child
but he also tries to give toma a “normal” childhood so i personally think it’s cute and i also like him lol
She has the spirit, but she doesn't think things through. I mean I get asking a guy to pretend to date you to scare someone off, but I feel like the Duke will be really uncomfortable, the right spirit still.
The intention is there. The execution went like the execution of Mary, Queen Of Scots.
So I'm halfway through the manhwa, and the bottom's a fucking bitch. Not even the good kind.
Why would you randomly transfer the app to an innocent person for the sake of "believing you" what the hell dude? Someone, please tell me it's not what I'm seeing, because what the heck. He's basically going to put Dobin through an entire mess so he believes him? Like I would've transferred the app to like a pervert or something.
This manhwa really testing my patience.
He's obsessed with Keith and wants Keith to be obsessed with him.
You know what? They deserve each other. That level of dumbassery is basically asking for toxicity and Keith provides.
Keith is already obsessed mans is insane
I think he’s also been hella manipulated by Kieth. I get being frustrated with Yeonwoo, but Kieth knew Yeonwoo liked him and still played with his heart and mind while fucking him over. When you’re that entangled with someone, it’s so incredibly hard to let that person go, even when you know that person is not good for you.
Exactly, they deserve each other. The reality is YW will never be happy unless he's with Keith, regardless of the toxicity.
It's not a matter of "entanglement", but a matter of choice. Yeonwoo chooses to mess with Keith for the attention, and Yeonwoo chooses to go back every time with his tail tucked in between his legs. Also, the whole keeping the kid thing is also an attention ploy, from a writing standpoint, and emotional standpoint. Quite frankly he's already escaped, however, he felt the need to provoke Keith, so he can chase him, for the attention.
They are very obviously out for their own selfish agenda and that's why I say they deserve each other, they'll obviously not be satisfied unless it's the others' toxicity.
I think the term "manipulation" is thrown around a little loosely, everything we do can be considered manipulation, asking if someone is going to eat the last of whatever. Obviously, at first, Keith didn't see what he and Yeonwoo did as anything more than transactional, so I don't think that Keith messed with Yeonwoo's feelings as much as Yeonwoo did it to himself. Yeonwoo obviously had trauma from the sexual assault incident, but Keith doesn't know that he's blaming Yeonwoo, so when he forces himself on Yeonwoo, you can't really say that Keith's manipulating Yeonwoo into liking him. It's something that he's doing of his own volition, influenced by attraction.
I’m sorry but your comment, especially the last part, sounds very much like victim blaming. It doesn’t matter if he’s doing it out of attraction, we see Yeonwoo say no and telling Keith to stop multiple times and Kieth still does whatever he wants. That should not have happened. I say manipulation because Keith KNOWS about Yeonwoo’s feelings and still does whatever he wants to Yeonwoo, and then sleeps with other people, but still wants Yeonwoo to only be his. He also clearly has feelings for Yeonwoo but would rather sexually assault him. I pray you never fall victim to anyone like this irl, bc if you can’t spot manipulation here, it’ll be even harder to spot irl.
You see that part is definitely manipulation with intent. That I will 100% agree with. I definitely should not have implied that it was really a "choice", but it seems that way to me because Yeonwoo is literally admitting to baiting Keith to kind of chase him down.
I was too rash with my words. I just think these tropes are extremely frustrating, harmful and annoying because very RARELY irl do people have their assaulted chase them down out of, what we can only assume with Yeonwoo is attraction.
I definitely did victim blame, however, that was not my intention, I was overly impulsive and was mad because what he's doing right now is extremely stupid to me, and in real life I would hope no victim actually does this. I'm really sorry if I came off super insensitive!
I understand your frustration with Yeonwoo’s character and his choices. And I agree that these tropes are definitely harmful. Thank you so much for seeing where I was coming from and understanding! I really appreciate your reply.