I’m tired of commenting on everyone else posts, so I’ll make my own. I’ll go through ever point I’ve seen, and explain why it’s incorrect. Match your point to mine to see an explanation.
“They’ve played multiple times before and did worse”
Yes, but consent does not carry. Especially in bdsm. Just because someone agreed once before, does not give their partner the right to their body indefinitely. In real bdsm, each play is discussed beforehand and is approved on by both parties. Clearly this didn’t happen, because chanwoo was shocked at md’s instructions.
“It’s bdsm they can be hit”
No. Bdsm is consensual, and chanwoo did not and can not consent.
“Why can’t he consent?”
He is shown several times to be mentally and emotionally incapable. Md choked him to see if he was capable of saying the safeword. It was confirmed that he couldn’t when he did not say it. Chanwoo is shown with a bruised face and repeatedly brushes off concern with “I’m fine”.
“He knows how md feels but he goes to the other guy anyways”
A person is never, ever obligated to return someone’s unrequited feelings. After md confessed, chanwoo politely refused And wished to keep a casual bdsm relationship. Because they stated beforehand that they want their bdsm and romantic lives separate, md’s feelings do not belong in their plays.
“How is he being manipulated? This is unrelated to their plays”
Yes, personal feelings should be left out of bdsm. MD knows that, but he puts them there anyways. Md also knows that chanwoo values him as a bdsm partner and as a friend, so when chanwoo attempted to introduce md to his boyfriend and he clearly was upset, no plays should’ve been initiated until md could cool down his feelings. Chanwoo was given an ultimatum, in that he either participate in the play or never communicate with md again. He fears losing md, so he agrees despite clearly not wanting to. This is coercion, and a coerced person cannot consent.
“Md is upset because chanwoo hurt his feelings so that’s why he hit him like that”
Again, unrequited feelings are never obligated to be returned, and personal feelings have no place in a casual bdsm relationship. Yes this hurt his feelings, but hurt feelings are never an excuse to coerce or hurt another person.
“He deserves it”
No one deserves abuse. Ever.
“How is it abuse”
It is abuse because he cannot consent. No consent = abuse/rape.
“I’ve been in a bdsm relationship that had plays exactly like this and I’m fine”
I’m sorry you’ve been abused before, but you should not use it as leverage to excuse other abuse.
“It’s just fiction why are you mad”
I, and many others, are mad because this abuse is being disguised as bdsm. This is harmful to the bdsm community, because it puts us in a bad light, and relates us to abusers. We are only attempting to keep our community’s image clear.
“They’ve played multiple times before and did worse”
Yes, but consent does not carry. Especially in bdsm. Just because someone agreed once before, does not give their partner the right to their body indefinitely. In real bdsm, each play is discussed beforehand and is approved on by both parties. Clearly this didn’t happen, because chanwoo was shocked at md’s instructions.
“It’s bdsm they can be hit”
No. Bdsm is consensual, and chanwoo did not and can not consent.
“Why can’t he consent?”
He is shown several times to be mentally and emotionally incapable. Md choked him to see if he was capable of saying the safeword. It was confirmed that he couldn’t when he did not say it. Chanwoo is shown with a bruised face and repeatedly brushes off concern with “I’m fine”.
“He knows how md feels but he goes to the other guy anyways”
A person is never, ever obligated to return someone’s unrequited feelings. After md confessed, chanwoo politely refused And wished to keep a casual bdsm relationship. Because they stated beforehand that they want their bdsm and romantic lives separate, md’s feelings do not belong in their plays.
“How is he being manipulated? This is unrelated to their plays”
Yes, personal feelings should be left out of bdsm. MD knows that, but he puts them there anyways. Md also knows that chanwoo values him as a bdsm partner and as a friend, so when chanwoo attempted to introduce md to his boyfriend and he clearly was upset, no plays should’ve been initiated until md could cool down his feelings. Chanwoo was given an ultimatum, in that he either participate in the play or never communicate with md again. He fears losing md, so he agrees despite clearly not wanting to. This is coercion, and a coerced person cannot consent.
“Md is upset because chanwoo hurt his feelings so that’s why he hit him like that”
Again, unrequited feelings are never obligated to be returned, and personal feelings have no place in a casual bdsm relationship. Yes this hurt his feelings, but hurt feelings are never an excuse to coerce or hurt another person.
“He deserves it”
No one deserves abuse. Ever.
“How is it abuse”
It is abuse because he cannot consent. No consent = abuse/rape.
“I’ve been in a bdsm relationship that had plays exactly like this and I’m fine”
I’m sorry you’ve been abused before, but you should not use it as leverage to excuse other abuse.
“It’s just fiction why are you mad”
I, and many others, are mad because this abuse is being disguised as bdsm. This is harmful to the bdsm community, because it puts us in a bad light, and relates us to abusers. We are only attempting to keep our community’s image clear.
2020-05-30 09:49 marked
You can tell how young and inexperienced the commenters are based on how they don't understand Nemu's actions. It's spelled out right in this chapter, plus combined with Ruka's attempts to break them up and Maya's refusal to talk about anything that makes him uncomfortable (lying about Ruka is very suspicious even to very trusting couples, and refusing to talk about his previous breakups and getting mad at Nemu for even bringing it up is not good). All players here are guilty and it has led to one big miscommunication to a very insecure and unsure character, Nemu. Nemu taking a step back to reevaluate his own behavior instead of going nuclear is actually a healthy thing to do. Maya reacting they way he has does suck, but that doesn't mean that Nemu has to sacrifice figuring things out for himself and his mental health just to make Maya stop being depressed. Maya also needs to take a step back and reevaluate how he seems to only be willing to talk once things have already blown up, as opposed to just not shutting down talking when Nemu barely voices his concerns. And Nemu needs to learn to speak up when he does have concerns rather than let them build up and not let small things concern him so much, as he is trying to figure out now.
2019-08-04 08:57 marked
2019-03-20 18:14 marked
Oh I find the scan group already translated chapter 8 .
(link: https://exiledrebelsscanlations.com/love-nest/)
when will mangago update it (⊙…⊙ ) ?
(link: https://exiledrebelsscanlations.com/love-nest/)
when will mangago update it (⊙…⊙ ) ?
2019-02-12 09:25 marked
Since the author publishes this webcomic on tapastic, I think you should go reading it there https://tapas.io/episode/517687
It's TOTALLY FREE but in this way you can support the author!
It's TOTALLY FREE but in this way you can support the author!
2017-05-19 19:01 marked
Fourth time going through this series, and I'm still not over how Kan-chan tried his hardest while being abused at work. I truly feel for him and even though he hit Yumi, he also was able to ask him to leave him. He knew he'd cross a line he shouldn't have, and he didn't want to become worse.
I truly admire the way his character did a 360 after asking Yumi to leave him. He's so wonderful, and even though some people say "he's a monster" "I hate him" "he should hsve...blah blah blah", let's not forget he was a victim of abuse for over three years, three years he suffered alone, and pretended in front of Yumi.
So happy Shuuna came around and pulled him out of that dark hole he kept sinking farther and farther in.
1. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/azami/
2. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sabita_yoru_demo_koi_wa_sasayaku/
3. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/renai_rubi_no_tadashii_furikata/
4. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/narrow_place_collection/
5. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hadakeru_kaibutsu/
I truly admire the way his character did a 360 after asking Yumi to leave him. He's so wonderful, and even though some people say "he's a monster" "I hate him" "he should hsve...blah blah blah", let's not forget he was a victim of abuse for over three years, three years he suffered alone, and pretended in front of Yumi.
So happy Shuuna came around and pulled him out of that dark hole he kept sinking farther and farther in.
1. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/azami/
2. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sabita_yoru_demo_koi_wa_sasayaku/
3. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/renai_rubi_no_tadashii_furikata/
4. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/narrow_place_collection/
5. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hadakeru_kaibutsu/
2017-03-03 05:37 marked
I guarantee you that you can’t win this argument