I don't read alot of yuri but lilith 2's new raws was really scary. Sulhwa has gone mad with the SM play. She was very violent to jaehee.... Jaehee had to use the safe word and was trembling..... Σ( ￣□￣||)
Reading some yaoi author's content usually have me thinking about how not everything in life can be categorised into black and white I.e. Good or bad. Some things are in between due to bad circumstances that occurred but some of the audience here fail to realise that. They just read superficially and pass harsh judgements.
When I started reading yaoi, I always feel weird when the bottom is seen as the woman of the relationship or if he drawn in a feminine like way. It makes me feel weird because I know he is a man, so why make him a girl. And most times, the bottoms are always forced to bottom which is something that turns me off. I like when they ask not just assume.....
I think about that too, especially in some djs. It’s a really good point (=・ω・=)
It's worse when it's omegaverse and the authors biologically force heterosexuality into mlm just so fujoshis can self-insert as the omega and get "pregnant" like a woman.
ikr! i really adore when the couple have a same build and the bottom not too feminine
Yeah I agree. I wish switch couples was more of a thing in yaoi because if you're gonna make one person always the bottom to be like a woman, then you might as well just draw straight smut. I also hate it when they make the seme think something like, "oh he does this like a girl" or "he looks like a girl" when he's clearly a man
I hate that too. Seme will trashy talk about how the uke is behaving like a girl during sex especially those bisexual seme.... Annoying..... I like same build couple and the uke decides to be the uke by himself not by Force.
IKRR esp in omegaverse stuff and weird nhentai shit
Yeah i find forcing the "looks like a girl" to find them attractive is kind of ? Like if you find them pretty then say that. Also to assume they're bottom is ? And i agree i wish being a switch was more of a thing but oh well
Yes I get that, totally, and I agree! However, Fujoshi isn’t an automatically bad term. It simply means a woman who enjoys BL (so like you and I). But of course, there are bad ones. Please just be educated on the term! It is a form of cultural appropriation against Japan and its language to make it have a bad meaning :)
thanks
Please don't assume my gender and ethnicity. I'm aware of the term's meaning but in reality even those who claim they aren't problematic indulge in omegaverse and other very heteronormative yaoi that are largely written by straight women for the sexual satisfaction of straight women just like lesbian porn is largely directed by males for straight males.
That isn't to say non-fetishistic BL or fujoshis don't exist but reading the comments on this website, it is so so clear this isn't the case.
No actual Japanese person would say that. Also, let’s not generalize. Accept that what you said was wrong and harmful.
I’m not disagreeing, I am merely talking about the word fujoshi. Don’t put words into my mouth, thanks.
Personally, I don't like to use the term fujoshi to refer to myself or anyone else, but I'm aware that a lot of people who do use the term to refer to themselves are probably not aware of the true meaning behind fujoshi and think it's a term simply referring to "a women who likes BL". So I don't think all people who use the term fujoshi are bad people or fetishize real gay men, but I do think you should learn what it actually means instead of ignorantly using the term.
literally japanese people have said not to do this. here is a link with ACTUAL JAPANESE SOURCES (which you don’t have a SINGLE ONE, while this one has many). educate yourself before said stupid shit like this. don’t compare this to the lesbian slur, as a lesbian. don’t put an innocent word on the same fucking level. god this pisses me off. using that to fuel your argument.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1Yyzr_9JK-7vYVG0EADcZ_o49lD4O7pes3tBAqW_UXm4/mobilebasic
when you find an actual source, please come back to me <3
the thing is... it is??? https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1Yyzr_9JK-7vYVG0EADcZ_o49lD4O7pes3tBAqW_UXm4/mobilebasic
explains it all, when you find an actual source, come back to me. don’t appropriate japanese culture with you ignorant ass.
Okay, I'm not saying you can't use the term, I'm just saying that you should know all the whole meaning behind the word before you decide whether or not you wanna use it. So don't get your panties in a twist and start calling people ignorant ass
read the document, then say that again.
my fucking god read the document, i can’t dumb it down anymore for you
that just proves my point on how ignorant you are <3
I love yaoi. In terms of art my ranking goes like this
Korean manhwa, Chinese manhua and Japanese manga.
In terms of content
Japanese manga(those ones be deep), Chinese manhua(there are some deep quality content if only translated properly) then korean manhwa(the art and the men are always drawn beautifully... The content are annoying these days with the rape and all)
In terms of smut quality
Korean manhwa(A+ for the authors), Japanese manga(smut is nice too) then Chinese manhua(little or no smut... Sad).
Let me know yours too....
~ Generally ~
Art:
> Manhwa
> Manhua
> Manga
Manhwas are normally fully coloured and have very consistant and appealing visuals more often than not. Manhuas are also usually fully coloured and have great art. Mangas are more often than not B&W and sometimes the characters are thin to the point where it looks like they will break T-T. But this is not always true..
Story:
> Manga
> Manhwa
>Manhua
Like you said, mangas normally have great storylines, even the mangas I read usually only have 5-6 chapters on average, they still give such wonderful story/plot. Manhwas are second for me, because they never cease to amaze me with unique storylines and lovable characters. Manhuas often come across as cringy and extreme for me in terms of storyline (but there are exceptions of course!).
Smut:
> Manhwa
> Manga
> Manhua
Manhwas smuts are absoulutely (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ since there are longer manhwas than mangas, the smut has a wide variety and you get to see the same characters do all types of things with one another. Mangas also have gre~at smut, though in B&W, its sometimes better that way. As for manhuas, I don't actually remember reading a manhua with smut, so they would rank the lowest obviously.
Actually for me it depends mostly on the art and plot line.
With manga, the story is usually interesting but at times the black and white style hurts my eyes.
The smut ...well it might be an unpopular opinion but I'm actually getting sick of seeing it in every single chapter in manga. Like many of the popular yaoi manga (jonjou, dakaichi etc) use this.
Manhwa...I would say it is the best form of yaoi comparing all aspects. The plotline is usually really good( never understand, star x fan boy) and some even have smut !!!( painter of the night ). Art is very easy to follow and its coloured as a bonus.
Manhua ...I am very conflicted here. Many, many manhua are goddamn awful. Both in plot line and art. Awful and super cringey. I would have said that manhua are not worth your time if not for the rare gems of manhua that are avaliable. ( mdzs, tgcf etc). So I feel when it comes to manhua it depends upon the company and the artist who draws the yaoi. Like if the story is super popular and really good then expect the manhua to be awesome.
fax honestly..
if you want good chinese BL stories/manhuas, i look for the ones that are adapted from a novel. Or just the novel itself.
Yes ! Most of the good manhua I ve found are the adaptations of good novels (lol).
But I ve come across a few manhuas which arent from a novel and seem to be pretty good.
I see yaoi manga authors coming up with another genre of yaoi which is similar to omegaverse, dom and sub. I don't understand why because it's just like another name of omegaverse expect this one doesn't deal with biting and all. But the sub still feels inferior to the dom and are affected by dom's aura.... They go through test that tells them they are sub and dom. And the sub have miserable lives just like omegas.....
Whaaaaaat, I’ve never read any like that. That’s crazy
I came across one here, I can't remember the name. It's about a violent guy that meet his gentle roommate. Apparently the violent guy is a sub and he doesn't know but when he met the sub he couldn't resist obeying his commands. So the dom commands him to stay still and rapes him so he can desist from his violent ways. The dom even gave him a collar.
oooh yeah I've read that, but there're no heats right? the subs have to submit when the doms tell them to and there's also a fated pair too I think
*when he met the dom
Woahhh Im kinda interested do you have any mangas/mahwas/manhuas you’ve read about it?
Yeah. But there is a new one I saw on Facebook on queen yaoi's page. The sub was kinda in heat when he meet a dom. He doesn't like doms because he was abused by his former dom partner. Sounds like omegaverse right?
yeah there's some djs on mrm but I've only seen bhna+ one other, here's the link
https://myreadingmanga.info/genre/dom-sub-verse/
I read one but I can't remember the name. The new is one queen yaoi's page on Facebook. The name is Kara ni kuchizuke
Zettai, Fukujuu Meirei search for that name here. That was the one I read here on mangago.
Sometimes It seems like yaoi authors are competing for best trashy semes....when I see a trash seme.... I will be like no one can beat him as the most trashy seme ever. Boy am I wrong.... New seme comes even more trashy. I am like (⊙…⊙ )
Totally agree with you....... Specially manhwas......
They took the word "bad boy" too extreme
Stereotypes ╮(￣▽￣)╭
There's no smoke without fire.......
Right lmao
Why can't other yaoi authors be like cherry blossom after winter author.... No rape.... No violence... There is consent, love, fluff, smut...... It is a total package.... Pretty characters too.....taesung is so considerate... He is not pushy....and apologizes if he is wrong.... Tired of rape.... I don't want to get used to it at all....
HEALTHY OMEGAVERSE
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/816019/
• no to romanticized rape
• no to dubcon and sexual harassment
• YES to communication and consent
• YES to alphas with self control
• YES to alphas who treat omegas right
Follow the list to be updated. And if you liked the mangas/manhwas I included, please do recommend. Enjoy~ (人 •ᴗ•)
Uploaders please stop uploading mahwas as soon as they come out. Give at 3-5 days before doing so. We don't want the website to shut down..... Please.... Please..... Please......
true we also want to support the author by not uploading the chapter right away
Guys I am confused. two guys are having sex then the bottom says stop and freaks out. He didn't say anything before they started the act but during the act. Is that rape?
yes
If the other guy does respect him and keeps on going then yes it is rape.
Yes. You can say no even after you start having sex. If the other person keeps going despite you refusing is rape.
If it was consensual before then its just changing your mind witch should be respected. If you then continue dispute what has been said then it would be rape as it is no longer consensual.
Then that means 99.9% of yaoi content are rapes. Sometimes when the bottom says stop, I am like they probably don't mean it. I am thinking maybe the pleasure was too much or probably they feel embarrassed.
Yea but dude there not really. Normal people don't say no when there having sex. ( unless its like role play or something and then you should.discuse it before hand) Just check in with them and see what the problem is. Be respectful of your partner. No means no unless they say other wise.
Before the act, a person should ask the other if it's okay.
If the permission is given, then they do the deed
but if someone says to stop, then the other person should stop.
If permission was given before and suddenly the person panicked and they stopped, it's not rape.
If they continue despite the protest, yes it is rape.
And is it not unfair to the seme since he is already driven by pleasure and immersed in the act. He now needs to suddenly stop and take care of it by himself.
It is not unfair.
Sex is something for both parties to enjoy. If one person suddenly starts to feel bad during the intercourse, should they continue in discomfort which - during those situation - often leads to pain?
Masturbation is an existing thing.
oh so now its unfair for rapists because they dont get to climax? fix this mindset please.
If your partner has those tendencies then it's better to talk about it beforehand and decide on some other "safe words".
I know that safe words often are used in BDSM so they might feel like something strange, but in vanilla sex you can also use safe words, for example "red/yellow/green", red means to immediately stop, yellow to slow down and green to continue.
And yes, unfortunately a lot of romance stuff has rape which isn't discussed well in those mangas.
Please don't develop your morals around yaoi. Very few are realistic to how life is. Having sex with someone who's asleep is rape, continuing to have sex with someone who is telling you stop is rape. They are not real and shouldn't be taken as life lessons or manuals on relationships and sex. There is so much toxicity in these stories.
Ahhhh.... I am not taking about rapists. This happens in normal relationship too. I just don't want to be biased. That is why I am trying to understand from both sides. I asked because I wanted to hear people's opinions
yeah, I would say it's rape. Irl, if someone says no- you stop. Ofc you ask them what's wrong etc etc to reassure them cause sometimes people get scared if they say no when it's during sex.
The kind of relationship, doesnt matter whether it is normal, like you said, or not normal. If the bottom says no or stop but the top still continues just because he wants to satisfy his sexual desire, then the top will be considered as a rapist.
+ it goes both ways. If, in any way, top is in a position when it's hard for him to stop (for example, if the bottom is riding him or if he's tied etc.), then telling "no" or "stop" should make the bottom automatically stop the intercourse and provide some comfort
I know and I get your point. But I was trying to explain that it doesnt matter what kind of relationship youre in, since the person I replied to said that it would be "unfair" for the seme in a "normal relationship". However, no means no and stop means stop. But if the person wont listen to these words, then its rape. It doesnt matter whether youre in a lovely relationship or you have no connection to the pereson at all.
Yeah, that's why I didn't try to correct you or anything, I just added to it in case it needed to be said clearly for some people. ^^
So, in general: if any person stops giving their consent during intercourse and the other doesn't stop, it is rape.
If they stop, the one who wanted to stop shouldn't be in any way shamed, and the other shouldn't feel it is unfair and instead, try to find out what was wrong and try to resolve the problem.
Ah I see. I just reread your previous reply and I missed the + haha :>
Doesn't respect him* (((;ꏿ_ꏿ;)))
That was a really bad mistake on my part
It's rape if the other partner doesn't care and keeps going.
Let's just remember though that Yaoi, or any of these "romance" stories, are full of either the "warm & fuzzies," or "trials & tribulations." It's for the sake of the drama that some of those situations are put in there. It's to raise readership and sales. But in real life, no. Real life will have you arrested and tried as a sex offender and you'll have all those rights you took for granted taken away from you, even after you serve time.
What do you think about Tops and bottoms..... I really don't like when they label it. And they should ask what their preference is instead of just forcing someone to be a bottom. And why is being a Top important... People makes it seem like being a top is the best thing and being a bottom is a bad thing
This is why I like reverse couples the most ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ Btw I absolutely hate when the uke is small skinny shy and seme is tall , muscular... (︶︿︶)＝凸
Fr. Like, just make them both normal, more realistic. It's supposed to be boyxboy but when you make one more feminine it ruins the point. I prefer switch couple but if one of the ML doesn't like it then it's ok. But I dislike it sm when they put in the stereotype of the cold, badass guy being the seme and stuff. And then the shy, 'cute guy' bottom. Just make them both normal without cliche shit. （￣へ￣）
yeaaah that’s why I dropped love is an illusion. the uke looks like a small child and the seme looks twice his age
Yeah i know, but even when they look like it the story is sometimes better then the actual fuck (づ￣ ³￣)づ XDDdd