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I knooow! I felt like I was about to cry during this chapter ( T﹏T )
He really did nothing to deserve such pain, he might be dense and a bit of an ass at times, but he never hurt anyone! He’s also got a horrible family and upbringing, it just breaks my heart

i was like YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY

yeah, def a "no shit Sherlock" moment. but will they learn from it is the question

Actually no. Chanyoung is just doing it for his own benefit. I just wanna smash his smug face. Shrugs.

Oh... really? I guess I didn’t pick up on that. :(

yeah , hes always noticed that heesu's had feelings for him so he goes out w a lot of girls to try and push him away but it doesn't ork so hes just happy that he can divert his affection to someone else

Aw sorry! I think I took you as one of the many people who willfully ignore Chanyoung's faults and defend him in the face of all objections. You aren't one of them since you actually addressed my comment with sincerity. So I offer you my MANY apologies.

My many sincere apologies I should say! Because I am serious about those apologies.

I think he did that mainly because he didn't want Heesu to be wasting time on him if he doesn't like him anyways.

I think he's happy that Heesu now might have someone that actually likes him back.

I think Chanyoung is actually a goos friend, because usually in BL if thw straight beat friend finds about the crush, he gets grossed out and calls them disgusting.

Actually no. Read the post from youraedthiswrogn. It will show you exactly how he's cliched and selfish. He has no concern for what will happen if Heesu finds out as is usually the case. If he didn't want him wasting time on him a simple straightforward confrontation would have done the trick. And he was ready to pass Heesu off onto the other guy even before he had confirmed this guy had feelings for him. T.

Yes I understand what you mean. He knew since they were younger and he gets jealous when he sees his best friend talking to the guy that likes walking around naked at home.

At the end of the day tho that's just up to interpretation. I, like the writer of the og comment, just took it as him being a friend who didn't wanna force his friend to come out to him (which would make him a dickhead) and reveal his feelings at the same time. But you take it at him being selfish. It's interesting how people take things differently.

Okay so what I'm saying is that, if for example heesu decide to follow the both of them and hear the his best friend of 10years true feelings that he knew that heesu liked him for a long time. How do you think heesu who is very shy would feel. Heesu does not want his friend to date him but to acknowledge that he like him again heesu thinking that his best friend doesn't know his true feelings. To me if heesu finds out that his friend knew yet didn't say anything yes he would feel like crap he knew yet he said nothing for 10 fucking years. He will be hurt and both of them would lose their friendship and then what heesu suffers from losing his best friend and his crush.

No. It's not a matter of intetpretation. Again read what youraedthiswrogn said. Chanyoung tried to get Heesu and Seungwon together before he even knew Seungwon had feelings for Heesu PLUS he planned on distancing himself from Heesu even AFTER he found out that Heesu and Seungwon were becoming more friendly with each other. Thirdly, if Heesu finds out what he was doing (as usually happens, which might be especially true in this case as Chanyoung has not only mentioned something in passing to Seungwon but Seungwon also almost caught him eavesdropping on his and Jiyu's conversation, so what happens when he puts two and two together, which he just might given how intelligent he is) he'll be even more hurt than he would have if he had just confronted him. Finally when he first revealed how he knew about Heesu's feelings he never said anything about how he even THOUGHT of Heesu as a friend.

Or even how he was doing this to 'help' his friend. Not one word.

I completely agree

Thank you @Anonymous what you said was on point.

Just know that I am answering this without having read it all. Sato annoys the hell out of me and i just can't..but still am curious enough to read the comments. Going to where I stopped and your comment, even if her quality of life would decrease with her brother, she would still be free and not facing the danger of, in the future, be killed for not being an innocent child anymore. Besides, with her brother, she would be free. I may not have read all the chapters up until now, but if I remember well, Sato likes her innocence on top of all. But what when that innocence is gone? Will she be killed as well and Sato will just find another girl?
Her brother is still a child, but still her brother. I think that girl being free with her brother is much better than locked in a cage just because Sato likes her innocence.
But, again, I haven't read as much as the others when it comes to this manga. Would you be so kind as to give me an update as of why you think there is a reason that she should stay with sato?

Well, firstly, I don’t actually have an opinion one way or another. My point in my comment is arguments for both sides.

Sato seems to love Shio for more than her innocence. She has seen Shio experience things that take away her innocence and is happy as long as Shio loves her. I dunno where you get the impression Sato would kill Shio if she lost her innocence. I could only see her killing Shio if Shio stopped loving her- and even then, Sato has developed over the story. I don’t know if she could even kill her then.
The people we see who Sato has harmed or killed have all been bad people (abusers, rapists) or people who plan on taking Shio away from Sato.
Shio would be constantly in danger if she lived with her brother as well. She would be homeless, wouldn’t eat enough, and could easily be kidnapped again, perhaps by someone with much worse intentions. Her brother is a frequent victim of assault and lives on the street. He’s naïve and easily manipulated. She would be free and reunited with her brother, but likely live in extremely poor living and health condition.

The question I’m trying to pose is what’s better: living with Sato, her kidnapper who is a serial killer and psychopath, but who truly loves her and wants to protect her and won’t harm her in a very comfortable environment where she’s likely mostly safe, or being reunited with her family who also truly love her and want to protect her, but is homeless, frequently physically assaulted, and unable to properly take care of himself?
It’s a debate of being safe and happy, but ignorant, or being free, but unsafe.

I don’t think Sato would kill her for losing her innocence, she loves Shio for more than that.

Overall, I don’t know what’s better for Shio. You clearly feel very strongly that she’s better off free, and I think that’s fine. I just think one could make a good case for the other side as well, as I’ve tried to do, here.

I felt like Shio should stay with Sato too, when I watched the Anime in the meantime.
Btw, for me the Anime adaptation and the Manga are two whole different things. While the Manga shows the depth of each character and how they became who they are now (like Shio's mother), the Anime was even more disturbing by adding chilling music and creepy imagery. I was seriously scared of nothing when I watched it.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING IT!

I wish I can like this a million times over

This comentary is beautiful!! TT

Based on the authors previous webcomic theres most likely going to be development regarding the rape so i wouldnt worry too much

Oh ok! Thanks (￣∇￣")

Read what i said below to Melimeio-chan. Also, no he didn't say no, at least not to the sex.

Refer to #3 and #4. A rape victim can still have had feelings for their rapist beforehand, and it’s still rape if the victim “feels good” or whatever. Rape victims can often have confusing, conflicting thoughts about their experiences, especially if one or both of those two things is true. I’m also seeing the argument that the uke would’ve been OK with it if he knew the seme actually liked him and wasn’t messing with him. That doesn’t matter- he was still raped because he didn’t want it.
He also... did say no? He didn’t even want the initial sexual encounter to occur, he was coerced into it, and he said no to the seme’s insistance and touches. Pack again to #3. Besides for looking at the uke, we should also note that the seme obviously didn’t care if he had consent or not. He was forceful, never received a yes or an okay, and initially manipulated (emotionally abusive behavior) the uke into masturbating in front of him, which is sexual harassment/sexual assault.
“Sexual assault is an act in which a person sexually touches another person without that person's consent, ***or coerces or physically forces a person to engage in a sexual act against their will.***” Regardless of even the actual penetration scene, the seme already committed sexual assault before that happened. Forcing someone to masturbate is considered a form of sexual assault.

Don’t bother arguing with this person. They cannot be reasoned with and will dismiss any evidence you give them by saying that you’re misreading the story.

Ahh. Thanks for letting me know. (￣∇￣")

Read what i said, he doesn't JUST say he felt good, he literally says he "yearned to be touched again". The situation you describe and this aren't the same. My newest comment explains this all best, you should read it. You're saying he didn't want it, but Oono himself is explicitly saying he did, or can that be interpreted another way? "i yearned to be touched again". Kureshima wasn't "forceful", he never used force, he was pushy. Point out the page where he held Oono down, he only pushed him back onto the bed. You're just saying things.He isn't a rapist, he's just pushy. He never forced Oono to say yes. The threat was a very weak one, "i'll leave". None of this matters anyways, this is all you looking at the scene in ch 3 and projecting what YOU think Oono was feeling on him, he says what he was feeling himself. He says that he wanted to be touched, that he was in denial about his feelings for Kureshima and that he was intending to blame Kureshima for the sex out of said denial. He's explicitly saying that he wasn't being honest about the sex, that it actually felt good and that he wanted it, he was jjst in denial after. He isn't upset about the sex, he's upset about how he doesn't know how Kureshima feels about him, that's what he meant when he said "i don't understand Kureshima. He scares me". This is backed three times in ch 4. The first time when Kureshima comes to class and speak to Oono normally like nothing happened and this results in Oono yelling "so you were just messing with me" at him. The 2nd time is when Oono blows up at Kureshima in the 1st instance and asks why Kureshima did it, Kureshima replies "you know why". The implication is that he had sex with Oono out of love and that Oono is pretending not to know. Oono confirms this at the end of ch 4. The 3rd time is at the end when Oono sees Kureshima touching his new girlfriend and says "it's unfair. I should be the only one", he's saying uts unfair that Kureshima fucked him and is touching someone else and that Kureshima should only touch him. He wants Kureshima to like him romantically.

That isn't true at all... If you can provide a valid argument that sways me, i acknowledge it and will even say i was wrong. Disregarding what a person has to say is incredibly closed minded, especially when that advice is coming from someone i'm still currently arguing with... If you want to look at our argument to see that Lavender just has no valid argument and is saltilt telling you to ignore me, be my guest. It's under my comment "everyobe needs to take a REAL close look at ch 4".

Also, you said Kureshima isn't interested in knowing if he has Oono's consent, but if you look in ch 3 you'll see that Kureshima sees Oono is awkward about the masturbation at first so he tries to help him relax and set the mood by dirty talking so he can see his delusion more vividly.

Dude you literally just keep repeating the same argument verbatim after ignoring how I said it was wrong. Seriously, stop responding, fuck off. I’ve already argued your points and you did barely anything to argue against them. I saw you in other comment chains too, you act like you’re the only one with the real argument but no matter how many times people point out evidence that contradicts your claims, you straight up ignore it. Stop acting like you have the moral high ground and fuck off, you’ve shown yourself acting like an asshole in the entire comment section.

Clearly we interpreted the text differently, and I see a very clear case of a victim being raped by someone they trusted and like and confused by the feelings of pleasure they experienced from the rape, as well as someone being pushy, manipulative, and coercive in regards to sex and strongly indicates rape or at least sexual assault. The fact that the uke doesn’t have friends and doesn’t want to lose the one friend he has also drastically affects the situation, making him more likely to feel confused about the abuse he’s experiencing.
That’s how I see it, I have no idea how you don’t see the abuse/manipulation aspects, but regardless the scene was still rape. The uke never gave consent. It was rape,
Seriously, people are taking this too seriously and analyzing it too hard. It’s just a yaoi manga with a bullying/rape -> love plot.

Yeah they’re taking it way too seriously. I did try and argue with them fairly at first but they kept dismissing every arguments I had and I got angry.
Seriously, arguing with this person is like arguing with a brick wall.

definitely agree to this. thank you

Yeah, because you and all those other idiots , not including thehumansin as they can hold a proper conversation without being a cunt, can't bring forward a valid argument. Your "arguments" are "no, i don't think it was like that. It didn't look like that" even though i'm giving you indisputable dialogue explicitly stating Oono "wanted to be touched again". Uf he wanted Kureshima to touch him then how was it rape exactly? I value what Oono says over what you think is happening.

"i" got angry? You literally ended up just saying "well, you're wrong"... Lol. Anyways, i can see you want this to be rape too much to see dialogue.

What part of don’t respond don’t you get? You’re needlessly a huge dick. You’re getting pissy over a shitty yaoi manga. Grow up. I’d block you if I could. You’re head is so far up your own ass that you don’t even consider things that contradict your opinions. Seriously, don’t respond to my thread again. Asshole.

Ignoring what actually occurred in the chapter of the sexual assault is just as bad as ignoring chapter 4 - except oh wait, by chapter 4 he’s a victim and some of his thoughts will be conflicted and confused, for reasons I already fucking touched upon.
People are allowed to disagree with me off, but don’t be a dick like this person.

Lol. You were a dick to me 1st, i responded in kind. When you leave a response like earlier out of nowhere acting like you were you can bet i wont give a shit about what you want. You could always mute the conversation? You never "contradictec" anything and i definitely went over all your "points", if you can call them that, they were just a bunch of ideology and interpretation without backing for why you read it the way you do. LOL.

Except i've gone over both ch 3 and 4, "ignoring". Like i said directly above this reply, your counters are just "no, it looked like this to me" with no evidence to back up your interpretation. The dialogue directly goes with everything i've been saying.

Considering you were the first to call people idiots and cunts and similar... yeah. Considering you can’t even realize that you’ve been nothing but a huge asshole to almost everyone who disagrees with you... yeah.
You’re a hypocrite. I asked you to stop cause this is a thread I started. Because you ignore my points despite “LOL I DIDNT I ARGUED THEM EVEN THO I DIDNT SO IM
NOT EVEN GONNA TRY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINTS CAUSE YOU CAN ONLY BE WRONG!” You obsessively comment on everyone in the comment section’s posts, because how dare someone interpret text differently.

I’ve said twice for you to not respond anymore. I’ll say it a third time. Leave me the fuck alone. Congrats, if you continue, what you’re doing is technically a form of cyber bullying and harassment. Good on you. Dick.

You told me to "fuck off" first, out of nowhere. Seriously, look back. YOU got bitchy with ME 1st. "cyber bullying"? I am replying to YOU. You can look back and see that each of my replies is in response to something YOU said. Quit trying to play the victim card... Me leaving comments on the comments section is pretty much what it's there for, yes? I was only disrespectful to people who were disrespectful first.

I love how you're saying I was rude first when it was you and that I"M cyberbullying YOU when YOU were the one who took our conversation to where it is now when you told me to "fuck off". You have this all reversed, YOU are the cyberbully, i'm just responding to YOU and YOU were the one to be rude first.

LMAO. Ok guys. I’ve spent too long with this troll. I’d recommend avoiding this person. Sucks they already spammed the comments section. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Not as much as lavender... Again, i was replying to her and thehumansin first, then you. I've been REPLYING this entire time. My "spam" was me replying to lavender leaving a million comments directed at me. Anyways, you weren't even a part of it, so what would you know? Bye.