mayahideyuki's Topics (67)

just...ew

I seriously feel sympathy for people who are so deep in their ships and hatred that they completely don't care about the plot and story itself.

I don't particularly ship anyone here. I'm just here for Haesoo getting to feel good with himself and being happy with someone who really values him, not two dudes marking him as his territory. I'm here for Haesoo's character development, everyone else? can burst in flames for all I care.

Then you have to understand that Haesoo isn't flawless, innocent angel who was taken advantage of by everyone. He has his own sins and flaws as everyone in the story.

please tell me when did I say that? all of this characters have committed sins and have flaws. I never said that they didn't, but I won't call character development what ANY of them are doing.

Author never pretended that Joowon's behaviour was ok and it wasn't romanticised at all. They both hurt each other in the past badly. It wasn't one sided.
Seriously if after all these chapters you think Haesoo is nothing more than some toy to Joowon... smh
There is development. He is calmer for once. He is talking more honestly about his feelings. He isn't pressuring Haesoo to come back or that he should break up with Taku.
He just said Haesoo can always count on him and he will be there for him in any form Haesoo needs. Even as his brother.

okay Alice, you can think whatever you want about Jowoon and I'll do the same.

To each their own. But don't call me apologist because I can see that character is more complicated than being nothing more than monster and the story isn't simply black&white.

but you are? you should learn what character development really looks like or stay w the comments that kiss your favorite characters ass, and that's it. Good night.

How am I his apologist once again? Because I can recognize he has bad and good sides? That he isn't one dimensional character? It's called apologist now?
It is character development and it's not my fault you can't see that. I won't say it's spectacular but every step forward is important.
And I always try to be objective. I never say he is without a flaw and that he is saint. I've never done things like that. You on the other hand act as if he had only bad sides and iswas a monster... which is just not true.
You should reread the story.
Good night.

Your kidding right? He’s calm because he already lost him. That phone call was not one to just see if Haesoo was ok. He is trying to get Haesoo back to be subservient underneath him. I can fix it.. if you leave taku... tell me you didn’t actually want to do that.. it had to be all his fault... as if Haesoo has no opinion of his own. He looks down On Haesoo. He only wants him to look at him and do what ever he is asked of him. He doesn’t want Haesoo to be in any sort of spot light. He is just wrapping up those issues in a pretty how claiming he is doing it out of love and care.

bow not how

Also.. he says things liked Taku does that with all his models. Your not special... as if some other guy couldn’t find Haesoo special. If that’s not a put down I don’t know what is.

If he had any sort of growth. He would step aside and support whatever Haesoo wants. If it’s taku then it’s taku.. if after being a decent guy and be the brother he wants changes Haesoo feelings to where he misses the relationship he had then good for him. But he has yet to change. He proved that when the 3 met up for food. And when he barged into Takus studio.

exactly! i thought i would see some character development and i've been waiting since the breakup but they just proved me the can't do that.

You moron did you not see when he said to haesoo
“I’m all yours”
That dose sound like I’m going to own you
Your just a stubborn idiot smh

What o.o are you kidding right now? Seriously I don't know. He is genuinely worried. He didn't do contact Taku or Haesoo to the moment when Leo called him and said that K throws his models away and will hurt Haesoo. He contacted Haesoo yeah because he missed him but also because is genuinely worried about him and the negative feedback he got. Why are trying so hard to portray him as the monster? Why are you shallowing the story so much?

And Haesoo never wanted to do modeling, he wanted to be recognized by his writting that's why Joowon is worried too.

Yeah he is controling Haesoo and sorry but I laughed "He is trying to get Haesoo back to be subservient underneath him". Because after reading super negative feedback and remembering Haesoo wanted to be recognized for his writting that's why he didn't do modeling in the past... He offered help. Totally controling dick. And he is such a monster because he said he will always be there for Haesoo in whatever form be needs him and he is always Haesoo's.
Smh

can you get off this post for good? I'm not gonna try make some jowoon lover understand mistakes

I'm stopping responding because it's pointless. You didn't make any real argument based on the story. You are accusing me of being Joowon's lover because I had audacity to say he isn't one dimensional character you try really hard to make him be.
And no one, literally no one said he didn't do any mistakes.
Reread the story before starting any discussion.
Good night

Gurl stop claiming you’re being objective and not a joowon hard stan when you’ve been answering to nearly all comments complaining about him. You have your opinions and others have theirs and tbh that’s pretty much how a toxic relationship works.

I'm hard stan because I don't agree he is one dimensional, evil character? Lmfao gUrL
Nearly all comments? Another exaggeration

Also it's hard not to comment when you read bs like "He is trying to get Haesoo back to be subservient underneath him".
I've never claimed he didn't do any mistakes. I said many times he indeed DID. I've never said he should end up with Haesoo. But I will never agree with people describing Joowon like trash who has only bad sides.

yes you actually do pretty much reply back and forth to comments against him. Look even if he truly loves him can’t blame people for not Supporting it cuz when you love someone you don’t treat them like that and you can’t deny joowon has been manipulative keeping haesoo under his wings to his convenience. So let’s go with the fact that they loved each other cuz I believe haesoo did at least I’m not sure them ending up together is the best solution considering how much he’s suffered. And I know you’ll say about how joowon has too but I’m not buying it because he had all the possibilities to make up for the past before K showed up.

Show me one comment where I said they should end up together.

And when did I say that you said they should end up together that was just how I resumed the whole toxic relationship thing ? You was complaining about how people trashed joowon so I basically summarized why I believed this was enough to dislike a character that’s just that. Anyways

What are we even talking about. I say that Joowon as a person is not a monster people try to make him be. People exaggerate his character to maximum and add things which weren't presented in the story at all. I have seen comments about rape for example. This comment tried to find some hidden agenda in the chapter... Which was rather simple and clear.

Are you actually properly reading my comments ? I talked about joowon didn’t I ? But like some facts are here that shows he ain’t that much of a good person at least not to haesoo thought maybe « monster » seems extreme to you I understand. Haesoo wasn’t raped but I personally disliked joowon in the beginning for how he treated him which was manipulative and I guess to some extent the notion of consent can be questioned in some way. We can come to an agreement but I get what your opinion.

Ihave to disagree on "Jowoon" being the only one manipulative in the relationship because, to me, both of them silently created these weird rules on how they should interact. In the beginning, Haesoo straight said that most of the things he did are just to hurt Jowoon. He was jealous, angry and filled with darks emotions out of the belief that Jowoon could replace him and live his life like it was nothing. Haesoo lied to him for most of the story and didn't even give Jowoon the chance to realize he was being abandoned. Don't get me wrong, Jowoon also hurt Haesoo a lot (in most of the high school memories, the car scene and the explosive jealousy moments) but I believe that both of them were toxic in their own way and trying to point out only one of them just leave a big part of the plot apart.
And about consent... The only questionable scene is the bj in the car

I don’t disagree with everything you said. And personally I felt bothered by how pushy joowon was in the beginning I think the intro started with them being intimate but It felt like he was pushy/manipulative idk anyways at the end of the day we all have different opinions

Exactly. Have a good day!

i think the post restaurant scene where he tried to force himself on haesoo can be considered as sexual assault, but that's just me ╮(￣▽￣)╭

He kissed him. And made a hickey. That's it. Several chapters ago Haesoo bit Joowon's lip aggressively in the car suddenly.

ok Joowon apologist, get off this post. Go take a walk, meditate or reply to someone else who doesn't agree with your Joowon loving agenda but GO,

I love how my comments are still being quoted. Were my words that triggering? If you don’t want to deal with this any more mute the thread and walk away like you so dramatically have claimed you would do multiple times now.

I’m all for agreeing to disagree. But it’s kinda hard to agree to that when people go straight to name calling and miss read comments left and right,

Name calling?

Miss read comments?

Show me my ONE comment where I said Joowon is innocent baby and didn't do any wrong.
My Joowon loving agenda. Because I say he has bad and good side. Beside you are repeating yourself. And don't add anything do the discussion.
It's so sad that you shallow this title so much so it will match your superficial, exaggerated agenda which doesn't have much to do with actual story.

Yep (￣∇￣")

Also you are a liar. I said once I'm stopping responding because it's pointless. Multiple times now. Good one.

Also you are a liar because I wrote ONCE that I stop responding because it's pointless. Multiple times...good one.

you always reply the same shit, I'm not going to argue with blind people. People have tons of reasons not to like him. I never said it's okay to like him, what it's no okay it's the way you want to dismiss the shit he did/been doing and pointing fingers at everyone else. Please don't even bother replying this, I'm tired of your apologist ass, as I said, go argue someone else.

Where did I dismiss his doings? Seriously your pseudo arguments are out of thin air. You focused on repeating: Joowon apologist, lover and didn't come up with one, even one counterargument based on the story.
For you I'm his apologist because I had audacity to disagree and point that the story is more complex.

Let's be real you are hiding behind these empty words (Joowon apologist, lover) and you can't even point moments where I dismissed his actions and justified them. Because I didn't do that and we all know it.

The only moment you could have pointed, I will help you, was the post about sexual assault at hotel. I just pointed that if we wanted to be more detailed there are more scenes like that in the story even with Haesoo himself being the main star.

And lmfao I made some points based on story but you on the other hand some vague monologue based on your personal, subjective pov.

okok you're right joowon has the best plot, it's the best character and doesn't deserve the hate blablabla. GET.OFF.MY.POST

Oh now you are putting words in my mouth? Sweet