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She neglected him, which is a form of abuse in and of itself. Tho she may be trying to make up for her mistakes, it's understandable that he'd still be a bit hostile because he's scared of being abandoned by her again

A bit? Why not simply state the obvious. He's a brat. Heck, I could even somewhat understand if he gave her the blank look or whispered 'bitch' onto her ears but to make snide sarcastic remarks in front of an audience not caring for the house' reputation? This is not merely a 'family problem'. Did he even stop to think how would the other nobles view them?

I don't know if you have ever experienced that kind of neglect that she has given him
But the sudden change in attitude is kind of hard to accept as the kid
You have to understand that for him, she has always neglected him and kind of given him the impression that she never wanted to have him
To suddenly take such an interest in him is like a cognitive dissonance

As the kid you still don't know if she has an ulterior Motive
Like if she's doing this just for show or her own conscience but not actually because she cares for him

Before he probably had to reason with himself as to why she acted the way she did (when she still neglected him)
Like for example, yeah mother does not have the capacity to show love, that's why she has treated me that way

But then suddenly one morning her whole attidue changed and all the things he told himself are invalidated

And thoughts like, how come she is like this now, why not before when I really needed it
Is this to show other people that she is a good mother? Or has she really changed

Like this you can easily become angry
Because for everyone else who has not known her before it just seems like she is a caring mother

But his memories of her neglecting him are still very fresh
It's almost like being gaslighted into believing she never did anything wrong

But to remember what she has done to him, he lashes out or won't accept the affection

Those are just my guesses
I haven't read the novel, so this could also be off the mark, but I hope you have a better understanding for how he could have felt

Waaahhh you explained it far better than I did, hats off to you

Nope, not neglect but my father abandoned us when I was in highschool and my mother had to work on a different city and would only come back at most once every few months because it was hard to feed us 6 siblings. Although I don't want to corelate my situation with this scenario. Different era, different values ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

That's why I could only try to understand it in their mindset. The setting is medieval with aristocratic nobles. For someone like him who was deemed to have ' strict ' education you would think he should know better than to air family conflicts. Take for example that carriage ride with the lady in waiting. It was so uncomfortable for her to witness all that. She had to sit there like a statue (⌒▽⌒)

Lol you know that they are just story characters and the author chose to write that to create more conflict

Will if you think of it that they are real. it would be a bratty thing to do of what he did, but what do i know i have no knowledge of this kind of stuff or any experience of it

Not sure if I'm allowed to say this lol but my family situation was somewhat similar to what Vincente had to go through but obs without the politics and shit so it was just neglect and shit parents. It's like living with people you hate but you can't rlly leave them because you can't survive on your own. It was easy for me to sympathize with Vincente because I was in his position before. If we take out the family aspect of it it's basically 2 people who treat you like shit then suddendly one starts treating you like a human being in that case wouldn't you think "wow what a fucking two faced bitch" in that case it's similar. Imagine being bullied for you whole life then suddenly one of the bullies says they want to be friends with you wouldn't you hate them even more? Even if they did change that doesn't excuse the fact that they treated you like shit so in my opinion the way Vincente treats his parents and acts is completely understandable esp since I openly hated my parents too.

Supp fren i too agree with your point even though i have no experience of such situations , in my mind i would definitely not like if someone who have neglected me for so long suddenly does a 180 and starts treating me good, that would make me uncomfortable and be more conflicted on why do they do that to me.

Please try to understand why he's like that. His parents treated him like absolute dogshit so obviously that's all he knows. Ofc soon after he would have learned about manners and such but that doesn't change what's engrained into a person. He's like that because his parents neglected him and were horrible role models from when he was an impressionable child so it's not that he's a brat it's that he wasn't raised properly in the end it comes down to bad "parenting"

I'm about to go on a long ass monologue bec this story is hitting my feels. Too much in fact that I might drop it and wait until it's completed with a happy ending. Bec that's the only time I can feel brave enough to read this without triggering my depression.

My situation is similar. Parents split up when i was an infant. They tried to make the marriage work when i was 7, but it only lasted a year. Dad left without saying goodbye. He hardly contacted me over the years, never paid for my needs even though he's from a rich family and has a booming career. He still wanted to control my life though. He pressured me to stay on top of school and send him pictures of my medals. Later, he didn't like my university and course, so he cursed me that I'll fail in life and that he would never help me even if i beg. I stopped trying to establish connection and relationship.

Fast forward and I graduated and doing well with my life. He messaged me and wanted to make up. He's about to retire and was reflecting about his life. I was in a good place in my life so I accepted his invitation. I visited his hometown and met his siblings and relatives.

Dad's way of "making up for lost time" was to schedule my visit on my bday week. He prepared a kid's princess bday bash with pink balloons and pink frosted cake with a princess figurine on top.

My brain understood that this was him putting a good effort. But all i could think of was my bday after he left. That year he promised me a bday party at school with all my classmates. We were poor and i was fine with that, but dad gave me a promise even though i didn't ask for a party.

Seeing MC's son in that party really gave me bad flashbacks. Being treated like a child when I finally accepted that I'll never have a conventional father that young me fantasized about. The neglectful parent acting as if s/he knows what I like or don't like, as if s/he knows who I am.

The MC has good intetion. She's trying to show her son something that makes her happy. But just because she thrives in social gatherings doesn't mean her child does.

My dad had good intentions. Maybe the 8yr old me would have been ecstatic for his efforts. But I never liked pink and princesses. I disliked barbie so much that I never had a doll. I was all about dinosaurs. Too bad he was too self involved he didn't notice it after spending a year with his child.

In that party, all i could think of was "Wow, you chose not to get to know me all these 24 years. I know your favorite color, music, and food bec I craved to know you. But you're not the same towards me" I can logically understand his efforts, but I was grieving for the 8yr old me. Maybe the MC's son is feeling the same way since he doesn't know about MC's post partum depression.

At least the MC is realizing her mistake and is trying to make up to her son out of love. My story will veer off here.

Showing off their kids' lives is the sport in dad's family. Apparently dad's been boasting about my achievements and implied that he's been supporting me since I was a baby. He made all his relatives think that my mom was an unreasonable and greedy woman who tried to use me to get money from their family... for 24yrs. And apparently, he wouldn't have reconnected with me if I wasn't his definition of "successful".

So I abruptly ended the party by announcing to everyone that he never paid shit even when he lived with us for a year. My mom had to leave me and work overseas just so I can eat. She supported my studies and daily living alone.

Then I booked a hotel for the night, and a plane ride the next day.

We are no longer in speaking terms. He messages me, but I just ignore him.

Im not gonna say that i feel bad for you because you owned it and got through that stuff so im just glad your doing good now and seeing you here on this site

Wait wait wait. You're all veering off topic. You're centering this around her mother when i'm pointing out his PERSONALITY. Meaning, how he acts in GENERAL.

Nah a kids a kid even if he acts mature his still a kid inside and with the sudden change in her mothers attitude he would be angry and confused and many emotions going through his head he won't be able to make a good judgement in what to do that's why he just erupted and acted rude because of this foreign entity trying to shove it's unwanted love to his face. Will the love that he wanted when he was a toddler but just accepted that he won't receive any. That's just what i think it is and my answer to your conundrum.

A kid? You call someone who's about to be engaged a kid? In our era, yes. But in theirs? Hardly.

Forget it. it's a plot to make the story longer and complicated.

I'm sorry I sent that incomplete. Here's the other half:
And again, you're getting examples on a scenario with her mom when I already emphasized that it's his personality and not merelyhis treatment of her that i'm pointing out. Try it with OTHERS. How does he fair with others? You're all making it out to be like his world is his mother LOL.

They wear masks, alter egos. if in front of others his a proper nobel but when it comes to his mother his real self shows. I think......

where was it plagiarized from??

oh nvm, I saw the writer copied from 11 different writers.....phrases and stuff man that is not good at all......... I thought they copied from one writer... but I guess took ideas from 11 different people

Nah, not merely took ideas but literally copy-paste the words

So true, i just don’t understand why only akito have to be hated here

I totally agree with you.

I would just add to this list Akira Sohma (Akito's dad).
The dude didn't help anyone in the sohma House, he contributed to inequalities, and pratically brainwashed his daughter, to make her think that she is special.
He just stayed with Ren, took no responsability in the house, and when he died, he let Akito stuck between 2 factions (Ren and the old servant woman who didn't want them to be married.)

He was remembered as a sage melancholic man but concretely, he just didn't assume his responsability as the leader of the family.
He let the conflicts happen, the zodiac being mistreated (I remind that before Kyo, the cat man was imprisoned all his life) his daughter being abused and treated like a boy by her mother. He convinced her that she was special with empty word that you should never tell to a child, and left the world without taking any responsability for all the shit he created.

(Sorry for my grammar)

SAY IT LOUDER, SIS!!!
I just don't get it too, why only Akito has to be hated? How abt her mother? Father? Her environment? They just blame it on Akito.

There's a comment said "I don't care that she had a tough childhood or whatsoever, she doesn't deserve a happy ending"

They should be able to see from both sides. I know she's fckng terrible. She's bad person the Zodiacs are suffering coz her. Akito has Mental issues (I think it's pretty bad) she has these mental issues since a child! nothing ever comes to make her get better, they just think "Oh you're special so it's fine, you could do whatever you want" wth.
Y'all know mental issues aren't a minor problem. Akito is a complicated character.

*sorry for my grammar.

agreed. i neither hate akito nor like her, she was both the victim and the perpetrator, people have to understand that people can change and that she’s trying her best by giving her son a life better than hers. though it doesn’t excuse her past sins, u can see that she’s trying to be better. i also can’t stand that people are only trying to blame akito, she was a neglected child, she was told to be special and the people around her told her that she can do what she wants. how tf can a child comprehend that fr, if she was given proper guidance as a child she wouldn’t have turned like this.

Sorry but I still hate her! Just cant bring myself to like her. Because she tortured everyone from the zodiac. Her mother tortured her but she did the same thing

Doesn't change the fact that akito was the shittiest. Give her whatever redemption arc I'll never forgive her.

Based on the replies on my post, my point didn't get through to others no? Did you see me defending Akito in any way saying she shouldn't be responsible for her actions? I literally put the words in bold font just to emphasize my main concern. I'll repeat it so please pay attention this time: LET'S BE FAIR AND HATE EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THEIR SUFFERINGS.
Do I need to use another font so it would be easier to understand? Yes, I am very much being sarcastic (⌒▽⌒)

I made this post after reading the sequel to this manga and it infuriates me to no end how the other characters I pointed out didn't atone for their mistakes but seeing the comments here, I could somehow understand why. Why would you try to redeem yourself if you don't even know you did wrong. Just like how almost everyone here didn't call them out, their ' sins ' were left buried. Narrow-minded point of view is scary no

Get off your high horse. You have no reading comprehension. No-one ever said that the others didn't do wrong. Everyone blames others too. But who did the most wrong? Akito. So yeah, our point it we'll never forgive her. And for the others, they actually didn't matter to us, they're irrelevant, they can fuck themselves or die we don't care. As for Akito, we read the whole manga just to know why she's like that, and we understood why she became like that, but all of that doesn't justify what she did to the juunishis a tad bit. Everyone fucking person was suffering there, they didn't behave like how she did. You can go forgive her, your wish, that doesn't make you any better that the rest of us who don't want to forgive her.

*sigh* I already explained twice and it still won't get through so i'll drop it at that. Also before you reply the next time, try to construct your sentences in your head first and think about them. You called out my reading comprehension when your words were full of contradiction. " Everyone blames others too " then it's followed by " They actually didn't matter to us ". Funny how you alone already proved my statements so congratulations (▰˘◡˘▰)

Again. Stop putting words in my mouth. "They didn't matter to us" as in I care so less about them they can die and I won't bat an eye. They're so irrelevant to me, they're so shitty I don't even want to look for the reason they did what they did. I won't spend my precious time thinking about them. Get that to your head.

Wow. Gosh. Haha. When did I ever put words in your mouth? I was directly quoting your statement. Is English your first language? I could help translate so it'll be easier for you but I guess that won't help much since it's apparent your comprehension is not up to par LOL (〜￣△￣)〜

no English is not my first language. but I know it very well, my school taught me. what I see is you're an immature cocky brat, JUST like Akito, so I understand you like her. go on.
no-one EVER didn't blame their irresponsible parents or those Sohma family maids or ren Sohma. everyone understands very well why Akito is the way she is, that doesn't mean what she did is forgivable, so it is not forgivable for the others ppl involved in causing harm to the juunishis. did it get to your head? you can't stop ppl from hating Akito coz she deserves it. you can go on liking her and forgiving her in private, don't expect that mother Teresa behavior from others.

Also just because you don't see ppl writing essays for their hate for others doesn't mean they don't blame them. Ppl don't have time for that. Akito is the main antagonist of this series, that's what the author intended to happen.

Ahahahahahahaha. Ha. Do you know the meaning of the word ' EVERYONE '? Google it for god's sake because I just can't help being embarrassed for you trying to prattle when you're missing the very core of my messages. How many times is this already ahahaha

This is my post:
I just don't understand why Akito is the only one targeted here. Let's be fair and hate EVERYONE INVOLVED in their sufferings.
Read it again. Did I exclude Akito? No right? Akito is a given. I merely listed the others. (︶︿︶)＝凸

Also, you keep mentioning about forgiveness. Let me give another wake up call to you. Forgive Akito? For what exactly? Am I the victim? You said you won't forgive her. Are you even entitled for it? Gee ahahaha this is a riot LOL

Granted, Akito was horrible, but in the end she saw the light (as cop-out as that may be), but the ones to truly take the cake in the shitty parent categories are Kyo’s biological dad, Rin’s parents , Machi’s parents and Ren.
Yuki’s parents were also horrible, but the mom showed some glimpses of lightening up at least.
An it’s true, none of those horrible people got their comeuppance. Even in the
Sequel series, there is some off-handed comments about Machi’s parents still being a-holes, or Kyo’s kid admitting that Kyo’s dad is no grandpa to him and REN is shown still being her same sh*tty self.
In general even well intentioned people were in the wrong. For example, Akira truly loved his child and his wife, heck he was happy that Akito was “special”
Because it proved his and REN’s love was special as well, but thanks to him doting so much on the child he A) exacerbated Ren’s jealousy and B) gave Akito an inflated sense of self.
The maids, either due to fear or liking the status quo also don’t help matters. I think honestly the best mom in the whole series is Hiro’s mom, even more so that Kyoko. Kyoko was not terrible, but she did have a few missteps raising Tohru.

In general, I agree with you, but i think it has to do with the Japanese culture. They're really big about socializing with coworkers, especially when it's your supervisor. Has something to do with being respectful and polite i guess, which is really important over there.

I feel like it's too early to judge Yona. She's back in the palace and I feel like the author wants us to see how she was back in the beginning when she was still ignorant and she didn't have the 4 dragons and hak by her side. She'll probably get her self back together. Fingers crossed!

I partly agree with you, but it's like in a lot of other stories, the thing you write it happens and when you see/read it, you have something like 'oh I've seen it somewhere before'. It's probably write this way to add some drama I guess, but if they really wanted some drama they could draw/write this chapter in a different way.

Exactly! I don't understand what advantages she got when all she does is listen to everything they tell her to do and can't even see the dragons or Hak.

It’s really frustrating how Yona just regressed back into her old self, like all that progress she made in more than 180 chapters, after so many seasons and story arcs never happened...