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I wouldn't say similar, but if you're referring to the kind of cute and smooth art style like this manga then maybe check these out:

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/awairo_emaki/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_essence_of_love/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/boy_meets_maria/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ganbare_nakamura_kun/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/rumspringa_no_joukei/

omggg these are perfect~thank you!!

Just commenting so I can get those gems and don't lose them

I’d slap him too. He had me looking for my child for an extra 30 mins. That is so stressful. Then you start going over everything that could have possibly happen to them. Of course I would apologize directly after because the reason I hit him due to a surge in anger. I’d feel guilty about it for awhile because it was initially my fault but in that moment I wouldn’t have thought about any of that.

the seme got his point across by yelling and grabbing onto the uke. slapping him was not necessary. he wouldn't have hit the uke if he was a woman and if he did, that would have been labeled as an act of abuse.

It would be labeled as assault not abuse. And if it was a woman I’d slap her too. It’s not the point of gender it’s the pure frustration and and anger that made him slap the uke.

you're totally right, it would be assault. thanks for the correction. and i'm just saying that most readers wouldn't have accepted that slap if he had slapped a woman. it's more acceptable because he's a man. we can disagree on whether or not it's okay to hit someone if you're angry.

In my opinion, it's not about gender... But rather a parent's perspective regarding that slap. They were both new and their relationship had not deepened at that point.
Let's set aside that this is a fictional bl story. Let's say it's a single parent who was with their child, and once they turned around the child is no longwr there. Imagine the panic of not knowing where the toddler went. Worst scenarios run thru their mind... car accident, kidnapping, picked up by pedophile. The emotions surges up - anger, panic, worry.
What does a human do when these emotions burts and the most precious person in their life is involved, specially if it's a parent-child? They lash out. Their mind become irrational.
I give kudos to the author in interpreting that. It showed how deep he feels for his son.
No, I don't believe it's okay to hit out of anger. I like how the seme tackled the situation, accepting his actions were terrible and apologized. And that was the only time this happened in their relationship. (I believe there's a sequel when Rin is grown and the two are still devoted to each other).

i hear what you're saying but i still think there are other ways to convey that emotion and the punch was too much given that we had seen the uke as a victim of physical assault earlier in the story. i don't think it's a coincidence that the author made a point to have the seme view the uke brutalized early on and then had the seme hit him during this incident and then gloss it over afterwards. it was very concerning to me personally.

as for the 2nd point about gender, the only reason why i made the gender comparison is because it's easier to rationalize violence against men than women. most people would agree that men should not hit women just because they're angry but somehow it is justifiable when it's a man.

all of that to say, it's a manga, i know, and we can all have our differing opinions and mine won't change on this.

I respect your view and opinion. And I am against violence in any relationship. Whether it's a hetero relationship or lgbt, any abuse (physical/emotional/verbal) should never be present.
But I don't think in the story it was glossed over. I think the author used the situation as a stepping stone for the characters to be more realistic like and to move forward. And Satou did apologize immediately to Takashi. Not just apologize but to confront himself as to what he really felt for Takashi.
Just my opinion.

the seme apologized to the uke, the uke lets it go, and seconds later the he is confessing...they definitely glossed over it. if the author wanted to show the complexity of their relationship and make the characters more realistic, the uke wouldn't have even sat there and listened to that apology because he'd need time to sort through his feelings after getting hit by the person he liked. that is real story progression and i've seen it in other manga. the author rushed through the whole process. the uke is a victim of an abusive relationship in the past and to me, the uke's swift acceptance of what unfolded shows how he has normalized that kind of behavior which is really sad. like, if the author wanted to include abusive elements in their story they shouldn't have made it so short and dug a little deeper into the feelings of the uke that got hit.

i think the reason why so many people are upset is because of how carelessly that element was thrown in and then moved on from/never revisited in just a few panels. it gave a lot of readers whiplash especially since for the most part, the rest of the story was pretty fluffy.

Hmmm, you do have a point. However, taking into consideration how the whole story unfolds, perhaps the author did not want to veer into that sort of theme. The story would have been more angsty and focused on the two rather than the element with a child and a love story between 2 men.
Perhaps the mangaka felt if adding more into that issue (domestic violence), the story contents would be leaning towards psychological drama rather than a lighter themed love story with a parent. After all, if Satou acted otherwise, his character could be blamed for thinking less of his son, Rin. Rin had been missing for more than 30 minutes. Would you not inform the frantic parent that their child was safe as soon as you found them?
My take on this is.... The story line isn't going in that path in handling that theme (psychological trauma, domestic violence). Maybe that's why the author did not feel the need to dwell on it. I stll felt it was not to glossed over. Not after reading other stories that do contain domestic violence compared to this.
And to the mangaka's credit... The sequels to this story did not contain any similar scenes, with this couple nor Rin's love story.

in my opinion there is absolutely no excuse for physical violence when the other person has not threatened to harm you or caused you harm first. ever. none. especially when dealing with an abuse survivor. the mangaka should have omitted this from the story completely but everyone is open to their own interpretation, of course. we'll have to agree to disagree but i appreciate the conversation

I'll respect that, and I agree. But it's way too idealistic, in my opinion. People make mistakes, even the most cool headed adults. We all have emotions, and it's how in those moments when emotions surge up that mistakes are made. Physical violence isn't the only form of abuse. Verbal abuse has even deeper psychological scars. If not nipped and tackled early on, it becomes a cycle.
One element needed to overcome it is to have enough love to understand and forgive - for oneself and the other person. That does not mean violence is tolerated. Simply meaning, I'll forgive you this once but you friggin' better show your worth to stand beside me. If forgiveness is never present, then only hate and resentments will remain.
I'm saying forgive when you can, but if it happens again, love yourself enough to look for something better.
In the sequels, Satou and Takashi's relationship have become deeper, becoming a family of three. And tho they have disagreements any violence is never present. I'm saying that scene was never repeated, he never hurt Natsuki again.
This world would be awesome without any form of violence or hate. But in reality it is there. Perhaps many writers/mangaka/authors want to remind us of this reality by injecting certain aspects of this ugly topic into their stories. The stories are fiction but violence and hate in the world are real.
My opinion on this anyway... Not saying yours is wrong. We simply have different points of view.

Maybe being less of a bad parent would help