Where’s the original? It keeps saying to support it but they didn’t give us a site. Is it Renta?
Like these characters are 15-16 years old. At least the MC is; and with the amount of exposure it has to first-time readers of Yaoi and overall BL I really worry. I don’t mind if people read this... to each their own.... but you can’t look at this manga the same way when these characters are that young and doing illicit things. Because of the mainstream popularity it has gained through other social media sites, such as instagram and tiktok, this also empathize the fact that people fetishize gay men for their pleasure. Most often, these people are straight women or in general women. Not saying they can’t be anything different, but the audience are people who don’t know anything about the culture.
That being said, I’ve seen highschoolers on tiktok make and dance to this anime’s opening theme and I can’t help but think it’s wrong. I will admit; the song slaps, but the storyline... as intriguing and cool in theory as it is.... is not ok.
I have read this. I’ve read it before, and as much as the characters are flushed out and interesting, it gained huge attention and it gave a negative reputation for fetishizing gay men and teenagers. Please, please, please understand that if this plays into your kinky whatever the fuck, then to each their own; but even I should know the worst points of a manga that I enjoy.
An example is Koisuru Boukin. For me, it’s a comfort read that I’ve been reading for years. As much as I enjoy the character development; I cannot ignore the fact the manga portrays an unhealthy physical domestic relationship as well as normalize rape or other assault and bad things. Like I said, it’s a comfort read, and I acknowledge and constantly remember that this is what is taking place and that is not ok.
I feel the same could be said about Yachirin Bitch Club, although I also feel that the consequences and insinuation that happens when you read this is too grand. Because of what it promotes, or at least glosses over, it is hard to say exactly. I personally feel that if you know, acknowledge, and regularly understand that certain aspects of manga or any medium are being illustrated in an unhealthy or illegal manner than that is one step closer to identifying problems and raising awareness. Another thing is that BL readers that are fairly new to the game might be recommended this manga or anime to watch and would form an incorrect and misinformed view on the community. I would recommend this manga to readers that have quite a few years under their belt and can identify and recognize a healthy relationship vs an unhealthy relationship. Also somebody who doesn’t fetishize gay men for their kinks.
Haha sorry not to be rude..But its to long soo i lazy to read it..sorry..you sure get A+ in exam..( ￣v￣||)
HSHAHSHS WHAT
A lot of yaoi can come off as problematic and I see where you’re coming from but, I think it really depends on who’s reading it. As long as you understand that gay/bi/queer men act nothing like this in real life you’re good to go.
You’re not being rude <3
I totally get it. But it’s not just that acknowledgment of fiction versus reality. I think it’s a given that queer men don’t act like what yaoi portrays, even what BL as a whole portrays, but there’s also the actions to consider. I don’t want to leave it up to who’s reading the manga because I find that it depends on too many variables to account for. I’m not gonna address the child thing because that’s a whole other can of worms but just understanding people don’t act like this isn’t enough. Of course, since it’s fiction, it’s exaggerated greatly; but the reader after reading things similar to this may find connections with other BL, whether that be shounen ai or yaoi (probably yaoi), and may draw conclusions because they are misinformed regardless of orientations. This could be because they were never informed, because of their age, or other factors and variables to pile into. I’m not trying to say that no one should read it. As I tried to say; if you understand what’s wrong with it I think you should be good. But leaving something like that up to the readers is a bit too much. Especially if they don’t understand
Stop saying we fetishize gay men stopppppp. Like if this was about straight People NO ONE and i mean no one would even consider Saint we are fetishizing straight people and blah blah blah. How wrong it is to read, tonic couple etc. Like have you seen all the Young adult Stuff there is? Like after, twillight, fifty shades. Like why isnt people talking about how toxic that shit is and i know People fine the sex scenes in these books hot and probely get off from Them (its just like porn) but litterly no one say we are fetisizing them.................
I dont think its wrong to read yaoi, bl, m/m romance etc i just do it because im tired of the same stereotype hetero couple in like all book who give young People falls hope of what love is. And the sex scene sucks in hetero books like litterly you can’t just put the D in the V and then everything is FireWork and good.
BUT in yaoi is just guys and let me say guys have things girl dosent have and because of that i dont know how that thing works or what frels good. So i dont need to sit an cringe and complain when is 2 guys......
I think I’ll just reply to each of your replies seperately. So I wasn’t directly saying that people who read this fetishize gay men. If you click on my profile I think it’s pretty obvious what I tend to read. What this was about was the fact of their age and what consequences this may have; or basically I wanted to understand a bit more. I would like to add that no one says we fetishize straight people but that’s not true. A lot of times, instead of calling it fetishization we call it hypersexualized because in our minds we are taught that we are by default straight and since we don’t really see it as a fetish straight up. Instead, the obvious example is the internet where hetero porn and ads are everywhere. This could be on instagram, tumblr, literally anywhere. We call this hypersexualization because most often men are making women more sexual to grab our attention and vice versa. It all boils down to societal norms.
Just so we’re clear, fetishizing something is making (something) the object of a sexual fetish. That means there are straight women who view m|m as a sexual fetish.
I get where you’re coming from; and if you want to have a more open discussion with others I completely get it. If that’s the case you can talk to a lot more people about it and possibly have something be done about it.
I’m not sure this helps but I’ve seen a few people (while poking fun) illustrate how bad and toxic 50 Shades Of Gray and Twilight is, so I’m not sure where you’re getting at. I’m pretty sure many people have made points explaining why those works are bad (plus, I’m pretty sure 50 shades of gray is NOT a YA Novel).
Just to rephrase: I wasn’t saying that if you read this you fetishize gay men. I was more concern about their age because Japan’s age of consent is 13 in other countries it’s different for a variety of reasons. Also people do talk about the red flags in literature such as 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight. And because of societal norms a different phrase is used for fetishization of hetero couples.
I totally get why you read BL, and it’s a valid and common reason to start getting into it. And I get why hetero relationships can get tiring or frustrating to someone whose experience was the real thing. I can completely understand the cringe too.
I’m just gonna say again that that wasn’t the point of the topic.
Nah you didn’t waste my time <3 and I totally agree with your points. Like sometimes I have to read through tonsss of bad BL that normalizes a LOT of bad things just to find the good ones; and sometimes I’ll just skip the hassle and read shounen ai or some reincarnation stuff that’s been floating around. But I’m just happy you got my point and I send love <3
Honestly, I’m glad it was a love triangle. It makes much more sense narratively that with what’s going on in each of the characters minds; Souma being the biggest problem child.
Souma, as described in the extras, is a sadist and for a lot of his scenes he’s been destructive, either to himself or to the others around him. Although it’s cool that they were able to remain friends, it’s only right that Souma would step out and reflect on what he had done. Souma did some shitty things out of jealousy and fear of being alone; which I myself would not let him continue to be my friend if he did those things. I believe that’s the main basis of why a threesome with these characters wouldn’t work; simply put not only that Souma is a problem in a 3p relationship (you know, having to treat everyone EQUALLY and not acting on selfish greed, plus the communication that goes with it which Souma clearly denied when he lied to Yuu-yu) but also the difference of pace. If this was a 3p relationship the chance of the main character being subjected to things he just wasn’t ready for as a pure and shy human is very likely in the hands of Souma. Sure, Yuu-yu could wait (he did) but Souma would manipulate the MC and possibly act like earlier. After all, Souma liked Yuu-yu, and towards the MC would manipulate, confuse, and twist them around so that they could quite possibly break.
That’s why I like it how it is, that Souma stepped out of the messy triangle (and in turn, self-destruction). I hope that by college he had learned how to better himself instead of being that shitty asshole who manipulates people. And by the looks of the extra, I’d say he changed.
Same thoughts
Can the uploader please credit the artist? It’s important that if it’s not your own art or from the original artist that the art that is shown (in this case, fan art) is credited because by not doing so the artist is not getting recognition and is losing the possible customers and commissions
^ completely agree
People are saying shit about the kids and how they need a sequel when in reality that’s not ok, they’re just friends, and having fantasies about kids (even if you think of them aged up) does not escape the reality.
The Wolf in the Flower shop (TWINFS) doesn’t need a sequel. The story was about Takashi and Riku; the kids were just part of the story as not only children but friends.
TWINFS does a great job of establishing characters and using its medium to the greatest effect. TWINFS also portrays it’s MC Takashi in a way that does make him seem gentle until you see his true nature (as one could put it). One may say a Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing, but the author was best to put it as The Wolf in the Flower shop.
Exactly!!! People should (must) stop shipping everyone and anyone it's really not ok!
This is a positive tone post btw :))
The missing chapters that I’ve seen people talk about in the topics probably refer to when the main character with the black hair goes up behind the silver haired brother and asks “guess who it is”. From then on the special happened and (even though I liked the special) it doesn’t make narrative sense to go from meeting the silver haired family and the possible confusion the main character has to getting caught in the main characters house by the main character’s dad. I’m just letting you guys get a general gist of what people are referring to when they say chapters were skipped, regardless of where the translations or the raws came from. :))