the amount of misogyny in this comment oh my god. i dont even have the energy to unpack all this and instead im gonna just ask when and how and in what chpt did Havi ever 1. emotionally manipulate Yul and 2. how and when has Yul ever been shown to be easy to manipulate? or really easy at all. he's incredibly difficult to get close to thats like one of the most notable things about him?
Like yall are legit projecting all kinds of wild shit onto havi and yul that are not at all supported by the story. also calling her "crazy" is ableist AND sexist. but go off i guess.
"I dont even have the energy to unpack this" Have you seen all your replies to the people here?? I think you have a ton of energy right there. Like every comment not liking this webtoon, you there lmao. Gurl, just chill tf off not everyone is gonna like this. Are you really gonna reply to everyone whos not into this??
Bro calling someone crazy aint sexist, that aint it. Crazy isnt connected to gender, mate.
Damn misogyny huh, youre throwing words that definitely isnt connected to this. Where is the hatred for women in my comment??? It was specifically for Havi, even if that character has a dick, my comment still stands. Damn so uhm sexist, misogyny, whats next??? Are we gonna pull the race card now?
The albeist comment I can still take, because I do admit my faults on my comment about Yul and I apologize for that.
ok but seriously though, can't you see that havi is being too aggressive and forceful? she doesn't ask for consent at all, you can clearly see it in the first few chapters too. it's not misogyny, she's just straight up being TOXIC, any normal person would see that. also, why are you in every negative comment? you seem to have a looot of time and energy on you man, people are just stating their opinion, why are you taking this so personally? chill before you get an aneurysm.
so talking shit about havi = an opinion. my disagreeing with those opinoins cause they dont seem to match the same material im reading = not an opinion but an attack. ok. checks out. its only an opion when its in agreement with the rest of u. im in the comments cause everyone is in some circle jerk of sexist bs and i wanted to give some reasons why actually maybe havi isnt a demon but nvm.
The way you give out your opinion is as if you want all of us to listen to you, yeah I'm doing it too because you out here in the replies. We gave opinions about Havi, but you seem to not want that and u push your opinions to us.
We all read the fucking webtoon, this webtoon whatever fucking gender, WOMEN OR MEN, OR WHATEVER SEXUALITY WE DONT CARE BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PERSON'S PERSONALITY AND WRONG ACTIONS. Did u think we were talking about Havi's wrong doings more because she's a woman???? NO. If youre thinking were all being sexist UHM NO. This role reverse shit doesnt matter one bit, BECAUSE ITS THE SAME, even if a dude was this aggressive and impulsive, WE DONT LIKE IT. If u want us to think that OH HAVI'S GONNA CHANGE SO ITS OK TO FORGET EVERYTHING SHE DID, no thank you we dont want that.
We dont care if you go with our opinions or not. So stop acting like we should go with yours, because your replies just screams it. just state what u want and stop pushing.
im sorry, how is it sexist? if a boy does what havi is doing rn, people will count it as manipulative and forceful, it should be equal, what havi's doing is forcing. I've seen all your replies just coz they don't like how havi's forcing the ml and u always try to bring that gender-thingy, it's not about the gender ghurl, it's that she's forceful that's not okay. periodt.
i'm kind of convinced now that you're some underaged girl who strongly supports women even though it clearly shows that she's being toxic. i'm a woman, and i can see how shitty havi is to yul and i see your comments defending her and i'm just sitting here like wtf. we're reading the same shit you are, it's just that our perspectives are different and you clearly don't agree that havi is being forceful and aggressive or whatever but we do, and when we call that out, you call us sexist??? it's not about the fucking gender. if a guy was acting like that, we'd call that shit out too. havi isn't the victim here.
if your gonna keep complaining every chapter just drop it girl it clearly states what this book is about even in the summary and title bruh
I can do what I want it's comment section, your mad weird bro I just saw her comment complaining below drop it if you don't like no point of compelling all the time it would be logical to read something u don't like
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LOL u must be a kid, its never that serious, have nice day as well tho.
Facts
so your response to my very valid part of this debate/argument w/e, that people are being harder on Havi than they would otherwise be to a male character (something u can easily find evidence for) is to completely dismiss it by calling me a Little Girl and then saying the tired old "if a guy was acting like that" argument that i alrdy said is a fallacy in a different comment. basically what u just said was also sexist. having issues wiht some of havi's behavior isnt the problem, its the way both Yul and Havi are being discussed, the wording used and the giant blind spots in actual events i nthe comic people are either blanking on or willfully ignoring. the way ppl are ready and willing to give the most charitable readings to Yul's actions or sympathize with his feelings but never Havi's. the comic itself isnt unaware that Havi is flawed and makes mistakes. the issue people seem to have with her is that she makes any mistakes and dares to make her boyfriend frustrated sometimes. people are saying she's a bitch, sex crazed, insane/crazy, a rapist, evil, etc basically these arent valid critigues, its just vitriol that is at least partially fueled by misogyny. if u cant or refuse to see that, thats not on me. calling out sexism in how people discuss this comic and havi in particular is NOT The same as saying Havi is perfect and no one can call out her behavior ever. the fact that i clarified myself in multiple comments that i didnt htink Havi was perfect but i felt she was getting judged more harshly than male charas in similar stories to this one yet continue to be called an "apologist" and now a little girl and someone in another comment said Im a bitch/crazy/stupid, the irony of yall using sexist ass language in a sexist ass way to tell me how im wrong about ur sexism tinged critiques of havi is just the height of Irony. also i never called any one A sexist, i said the comments im seeing are sexist and thats not the same as me accusing a whole person ive never met and never will meet of being sexist. ALL women have some form of internalized misogyny they have to reckon with. acknowleding it doesnt make u a bad person and someone else mentioning it to u doesnt make them a bad person or someone out to get u. Also alot of the responses im geting indicate to me that either 1. u guys are not actually reading anything im writing and just pounce on me as soon as u see i disagree with ur comments or 2. u cannot comprehend what im writing and as a result lash out with personal attacks instead of actually providing a counterpoint or just going on with ur day and disengaging. almost every response ive gotten here is either insults or arguing against things i didnt say and were just projected unto my actual words (or intentionally bad faith interpretations of what i really mean). smh.
That was really thought out, I enjoyed reading it I agree.
a response that isnt hostile. how refreshing haha.
We've known each other for so long, your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it, inside we both know what's been going on, we know the game and we're gonna play it.
Nevah gonna give u up nevah gonna let u down nevah gonna runnnnnn arounnnnnd and deserrtttt uuuuuuuu~
Your comments are as toxic as Havi is to Yul, but your staunch, unrelenting approval of Havi's actions are so ridiculous that reading your comments provides a great bit of humor. Keep up the moronic comments so I can continue to laugh at your babblings!
well Imma reflect about me acting really sexual without consent to my bf thats easily emotionally manipulated.
There shouldnt even be any reflection because Yul should have broken up with her in the first place.
Yul is just VERY forgiving and would sometimes be the one adjusting for her. Like he would agree to what she wants because shes gonna be sad boohoo. If Yul knows more about emotions and stuff, he probably is on the way out of the door right now because he would see the red flags that should result to a breakup right away.
If this was a dude, what u gonna say? Are you gonna reply "oh but the main character is a girl so its okay" bitch are we really out here making a clowns of ourselves.
The scenes of Havi sexually harassing Yul would always be played out in a joking way or Havi would be like "Oh you dont want me or is he gay".
If this was a man and it would be played out that way how you gonna react to it.
Thats the thing, regardless of gender Yul should have broken up with Havi with those kind of scenes. But he's being portrayed as a REALLY forgiving person so thats why this story reached more chapters than it should.
I showed this to my male friends, and they be like "that bitch is crazy, if she becomes my girlfriend lol wait nah she wont even ever become my gf, she messed up. I cant even do that to my own gurl. That Yul guy needs to wake the fuckup". So ye if you want some real world comment bout this here u go.
Like even the first chapters they be like "nah boi this aint it, this shit what girls into nowadays?? Man yall are messed up"