which is why they didnt do it? she was just passionate about the act Itself and was clearly venting her feelings and then felt bad cause she realized it sounded like she was telling him he HAS to do it and that was NOT her intention and likewise it was not his intention to kinkshame her or be close minded he's just like still figuring his OWN things out wrt sex. like the fact that he didnt even know what a strap on is and is used for...they are just on very diff wavelengths. they both apologized and are trying their best. she didnt peg him and she wont for a while and at that point it IS consensual. (it kinda has to be it wont fit unless he's relaxed and willing in the first place? like yall...)
The ml knows what kind of person the fl is, I mean why is the ml uncomfortable in the first place to his gf thats supposed to be the closest person you should confide into, if the fl isnt that pushy??
"Venting her feelings"???? Well I guess thats how normal people do it then, fuck your bf without consent at all.
"Clearly not her intention"?? Boi her intention is to fuck, if she doesnt get what she wants, she starts acting like the victim right??
"He's still finding it out on his own about sex"?? The fl should help him about that and not pressure him, he's not experienced clearly but she acting like he should know his shit NOW.
"The both apologized"??? She didnt even genuinely apologize to every nonconsensual she did to him, and her apologies is equivalent to "I'm sorry I offended you".
"She didnt peg him and wont for awhile"??? Bruh seeing what kind of character she is you know shes gonna keep on pushing him, instead of stopping and letting him go at his own pace. Shes probably gonna start acting sad and depressed to get him into it.
If youre into pushy fls and aware of what she's doing wrong then go at it. But if you didnt realize that her kind of character is messed up, and defending this character even with the red flags showing, thats where its wrong. If this was a guy character I know those defending her would probably be crying out in the comments.
"oh this ml is a rapist"
they didnt have sex after her rant. her rant was not about HIM or making HIM do what she wants. it was her venting her feelings about what's consider Okay or "normal" sex. she was speaking her mind. she did so impulsively without considering how that would sound to Yul or possibley cause him distress. which is why she after she cooled down, apologized and self reflected and even asked a friend for advice on how to communicate her needs better with her bf and not make him unhappy. yall are saying she was shouting AT him and she wasnt! and she even clarifies it! and apologizes just in case he felt troubled! and then he says he wasnt and instead he feels like he's being too close minded. it was a pretty even sided conversation? he wasnt bullied into ANYTHING and they didnt have sex of any kind (pegging or otherwise) after that conversation where she went off about how pegging is just fine tyvm, that was the impetus to her outburst. not to harass Yul into conceding to her his asshole. which imo was alrdy obvious but in case it wasnt its also further calrified.
I saw the raws, (no i wont link them cause they are age restricted and paywalled so there is no point in doing so) and thats not how their pegging works, its a planned upon encounter and is smth agreed upon and again, Yul is not someone who can be bullied into anything he doesnt want to do. when he agrees to things even if he's reluctant, its cause he's WILLING to do it. being shy or nervous or w/e doesnt = her pressuring him until he gives up. we see this with her pursuit of him, she goes after him with all her might and he rejects her and she gives up and then later on, on his own! he says he's ready to date her. this is how it goes, she presses but he blocks her and only goes forward when HE"S ready but he does feel bad for making Havi wait sometimes cause he's a nice person but he's not a pushover yall keep talking about him like he's some long suffering victim of abuse and he's just Not? like he's reserved so maybe it looks like he's not into anything and is just enduring the relationship but he's had many chances to cut it off and chose not to. the last time they had sex, it was a gift from him to her for her bday. he wasnt forced at all. sometimes she's too pushy i agree but thats not the same as rape or abuse. the one time she genuinely did stuff against his will he got angery at her, told her, and distanced himself from her for a few days. like? he doesnt need yall to fight for him and Havi isnt some selfish demon she's just flawed and has a strong loud personality. that's NOT the same as being an asshole or a abusive inconsiderate partner. its literally who she is in general, she's not acting that way specifically to victimize or control Yul. i rly dunno where u guys are getting this interpretation of havi from tbh. she's not "messed up" and she does not emotionally manipulate him, being sincerely disappointed cause ur partner isnt ready to go as far as u want to sexually does not = manipulation or deception. she's never lied to him or tried to guilt trip him she is always honest and forward about what she wants. the problem is that Yul struggles to be honest or forward and it takes him alot of time to figure out things sometimes. but again when he's not ready for something he's very capable of putting his foot down. Havi's worst crimes come from being too excited and going further than is ideal. the problems in this relationship wouldnt exist if Yul was more like Havi just the same as they wouldnt if Havi was more like Yul. but the fact is their differences are why these situations happen, most of their problems are purely just not being on the same page half the time. nothing in the narrative supports havi as some kind of cunning or cruel person who wants to use Yul for her own benefit. she just adores him and likes sex and wants to show her love via sex as well. he's not ready for alot of that yet and thats ok but it doesnt make HER a demon for wanting that, she's a grown ass woman in a relationship thats a Normal thing to want and be vocal about wanting. just saying "i WANT to do the sex!" is not the same as saying "YOU have to do the sex cause I want to or else ur a bad bf!!" cause the latter she has never done, only the former. u guys just fill in the gaps urselves to paint her as a person far worse than she is or as an abuser. its absurd tbh.
As for the tired "but if the roles were reversed!" defense. no actually the roles ARE usually reversed/ the entire POINT of this comic is that the "roles are reversed" and the woman is the one who wants/loves sex and the man is the one dragging his feet. and unlike irl she has no power with which to make him do anything he doesnt want to do, not just physically she cant force him but also she has no financial power over him nor any kind of authority and she has never used verbal or pyschological abuse to make Yul submit to her or smth. if she was a guy NO ONE would gaf if she was a little pushy or vocal about her needs cause we as a society accept and expect men to 1. be assertive and 2. want/need sex. like so much of this bullshit wrt Havi in the comments is because she is a woman not in spite of it. ffs.
Goddamn u really into this huh, like if u like her character that much then go for it. what most people are saying is that she always acts like a victim whenever Yul isnt into shit. Her bday chap? She started acting all sobby asf to get into his pants. The reason why they go together? Havi being pushy asf. Only the few late chapters shows her "reflection" but didnt this reflection happen also a few times before?
Thats the point of ths plot? Gurl, whatever fuckng gender role reverse shit is going on, pussy or no pussy at all, is this kind of relationship gonna last in real world setting or is this right to be tolerated? People are pointing out her red flags that should be avoided and not tolerated and not be covered up by excuses "oh shes like this and she didnt mean this" If the point of the plot is to show that women can do shit too, then its being portrayed badly.
Even if u reply to comments saying Havi isnt that bad, people wont change their minds just because u say so. Havi isnt that bad of a character BUT you should be aware she lacks morals, impulsive, and reckless despite her age, and does not know how to guide Yul in the relationship.
Couldnt agree more
I'd like to read what you write but I have trouble differentiating lines so could you please add some paragraphs in the future?
I was really getting into this, but damn she's getting forcefull every fucking chapter. Especially with the pegging thing, like gurl not all guys wants it in the ass lol. This would have been better with a proactive fl who knows what consent is and knows what her partner's limits are.