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I paid (and I’m sure others do too) but I like to come here since there’s no comment section on Lezhin. Though, I agree. Ppl should have known. Isn’t the Seungho the same guy who is has been holding Nakyum hostage for his own carnal desires and also raped him on multiple occasions? Lol like this isn’t new. I hope Nakyum doesn’t have suffer for much longer anymore but it’s not my story to tell.

Yeah I'm sure some do but the majority don't I can assure you that. I'm not defending the rape, I want them to be both happy. Seungho has went through something terrible and I believe it's the reason why he acts the way he does, not an excuse but a reason. When it finally reveals what happened I bet everyone is gonna turn on the "aww poor baby" side even when they shit talked him not even a chapter before

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Facts and that’s why I don’t really mind to most of these comments lol They hate him now but will be the same ones fawning over him five mins later. I don’t hate Seungho tho and I get why he’s being like this but his actions are getting tiresome and deserve a degree of criticism. Yes, he’s has been traumatized and is now inflicting that on Nakyum who has also been through some shit too. And that’s just not right. But hey as a wise one once said ‘hurt people hurt people’ and that’s exactly that. Can’t wait to see how this tale unfolds.

The dumbest comment I have ever heard...."you knew what you were getting into"? You read a story bc you DON'T KNOW what will happen next and the author could change it at any point. People can insult any work they want. Its called an opinion...possibly something you haven't heard of. Why then do all of you come here if you pay for it? You say you come for the comment section but do you really? Bc you're coming to a comment section complaining about how the comment section is working? A comment section is for both positive and negative comments...Every single medium has been criticized and here you are, telling people they can't criticize a work bc so and so circumstances... WOW great logic

Yep. I do and Twitter too because it’s entertaining asf. And that’s true people can give their opinions (doesn’t mean I have to agree with them tho) but a line must be drawn. When people feel the need to ‘correct’ the author about her own story that’s when I have an issue. From the beginning, Seungho has BEEN acting up and you could you guess how is may go down but then again, as you said, things may change anyhow the author sees fit. I’m just enjoying the story, the shitshow in these comments,

giving my opinion where tf I want to and that’s all. Ik... great logic

You knew what you were getting into in the first few chapters when Seungho raped Nakyum. Everyone knew it wasnt going to be a happy romance manga. It's true it can change at any moment but usually stories that start dark stay dark. Instead of saying the story is trash, the story most everyone reads illegally and for free, why not just drop it. When you say something is trash, your insulting the authors story and their work. If you.dont get that idk what to tell you lol

And if you don't get that people have the right to make a negative opinion then idk what to tell you. Nobody said they didn't know and not many comments were suggesting that Seungho would be a prince. They were talking about how its chapter 60 and the author is still on the same point as the beginning which was raping him and nothing else. The author clearly indicated that she is attempting to develop Seungho's character but she still hasn't. Most people aren't commenting about "Oh no i didn't know he was going to rape him again" They're signing up for some resemblance of a plot bc right now its the equivalent of porn. It can still stay dark but the story has to progress? If not then why make a story, why hint at development? People are complaining about the pace and lack of progress. Yes when people say its trash, they're insulting the author's work...so what? That's life. I'd rather somebody tell me my work is shit and point out an actual flaw than have people constantly praise me about how good it is without actually giving any input. These are clearly valid points but you just assume everybody would know what would happen. I've read many works where there was a turning point in the story. Your comment suggests people are supposed to know from chapter one everything that is going to happen as if we can tell the future.... The whole point is to read a work to IDK form an OPINION whether negative or not. You clearly don't understand the point I was trying to make.

weren't suggesting that he would be a prince*

No my point is you can comment anything you want but its pretty hypocritical of you to say you're going to this website FOR the comment section and then go on to complain about an aspect that comes with the comment section, which is negative opinions. That entirely defeats the purpose of a comment section if you're suggesting people shut up about their negative opinions bc according to you...its crossing a line by giving CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. People can't control the author through their comments so its unnecessary for you to say they can't "correct" the author. YES they can and even if they are, doesn't mean the author is forced to listen or anything. The WHOLE purpose is to have an opinion about the author's work! Unless you want people to say "its trash" instead of "its trash bc so and so and I think she should've done this..."

What? Whether I agree or not, never said people should shut up about negative comments. That’s just unfair. Also, I’m criticizing a certain aspect of those negative comments. The ones that basically try to tell the author how she should write her story. The ones who say unhelpful bs and hate under the pretense of constructive criticism. You think that’s fine, I don’t. You can state how you feel and give your reasons but then to shove it down the author’s throat and try to force change is an issue for me. And you’re making it sound like comments don’t have power because sometimes they do. Authors don’t have to listen to them but its sometimes inevitable and also doesn’t mean those comments doesn’t affect them. I go to Twitter too and it’s even worse over there so yeah, I expect there to the good, the bad and the ugly. It wouldn’t be fun if there wasn’t a mix of everything.

My mistake that I assumed you meant people should shut up. No, you're right that comments do have some power but to say that just because they potentially affect the author, that people should not or cannot make those comments is absurd. Sure its shitty and I'm not saying its not but that is the point of "freedom of speech". Like you said, the good, the bad and the ugly will come with it. I don't necessarily condone those comments but they are allowed to make them and it's inevitable. I respect their right to make their opinion in any way they want whether it is constructive or not. The author should expect the worse of the worse. It is part of the job or field whether we like it or not. It isn't a matter of whether it SHOULD BE but simply a matter of being. You mentioned people commenting about how the author should write the story but I mean some people do write their opinions like that but also wouldn't it be the equivalent of someone just criticizing it? People have multiple different ways of wording things that its pretty subjective about what they actually mean or intend. If she really can't take criticisms and negative opinions then she shouldn't put her work out there. The author would need to reflect and think about whether those comments have any validity herself. I guess I would say you can't control how people stated their opinions so really the author can only control her reaction and perceptions of these comments. I guess more of my arguments would be toward OP. Hard work doesn't = good work

Okay. I agree on people being allowed freedom of speech but it doesn’t mean I will respect how they use that freedom of speech, especially if it is meant to be more so destructive than uplifting or corrective (for a lack of better terms). That’s the difference. We all deserve criticism to a degree but somethings are just wrong. Telling OP to kill herself because Nakyum oppa shouldn’t to be with Seungho oppa anymore isn’t helpful. Yes, I mocked people who thought this way because I found it absurd. Like where have you been for the past 63 chaps? Seungho has been doing this so why is everyone boycotting him now when before, it was all peaches and cream despite it reeking of the same stench? So don’t start attacking OP now. Anon can disagree by all means and see things differently than I do but at least state reasons why. I’m always open to that when respect is maintained. And that is true; I can’t control what or how people say things and I’m glad I don’t. However, I would like to be able to share my piece on why I may disagree or agree on whatever their point was. That’s your point and here’s my views on your point. Whole point of a productive and civil conversation like right now. From there, we can either leave having learnt something or nothing at all and I always hope it to be the former. I’ll wing for the OP on the author’s expectations. It’s true that it comes with the job but it doesn’t dispel that fact that she doesn’t have feelings too. She probably expected it but not at this magnitude and fear of scrutiny shouldn’t stop anyone from doing what they really want to do. When you’re constantly exposed to that, especially with her manga being super popular, I can imagine feeling under pressure, stressed and at times, discouraged. She didn’t know it would be this big and this is her first time doing this! You don’t have to go easy on her but damn, cut the girl some slack! Berate the characters and their shitty behavior all you want lol that’s fine. I’ll say my piece and that’ll be that. But then when you direct that malice (not ones that are intended to be constructive criticism) towards the OP, just... no. Don’t expect a pretty response from me at least, though for the most part, I just pay it no mind. Then again, she can always turn off the comments and at that point, I can’t help her. I’m not Superman. Yes, hard work doesn’t equal good work but that’s subjective in this case... don’t you suppose? *ref to the comment section* Hope you get what I mean.

Gurl yk those people have opinions- and yea they should have seen it coming pftt

Oh well I wasn't necessarily referring to comments directed towards the author telling her to die. I again don't condone that but still it is their right as people can say ANYTHING. It isn't very nice with what SOME people are commenting especially about death and killing but I'm just slightly confused bc the OP didn't suggest the comments were about that but rather the general negative comments complaining. She said, "Instead of insulting the author's hard work for something you didn't pay for...." And that just makes absolute no sense bc regardless of it you paid for it, everybody can have an opinion. Someone said in the comments that, if a burger is shit, whether you paid it or not wouldn't change the taste of the burger. Sure you might feel better eating a free burger but if it taste like shit, whatever amount you pay doesn't change the taste. She was also talking about insulting the author's hard work which is what I was also referring to. Regardless of if she worked hard on it or not, it doesn't deserve praise just bc she apparently worked hard on it. A lot of people work hard on things...doesn't mean it does well and doesn't mean its good. She also says "THEIR story" as if the work being the author's prevents it from being judged.

But I am referring to what the OP is referring to which I assumed was a numerous amount of comments that were simply saying the story is terrible, dragging the plot, and they're going to drop it. The OP was saying that these people should stfu and should know better about what would happen. I'm arguing that people's comments are valid because again you don't necessarily know what will happen in a story unless you read it. Yes he is still raping Nakyum and that's been happening but the issue is not necessarily the act being surprising but rather this same act is still going on for so long AFTER the author has hinted she would develop his character and possibly change his actions.

You're right that thinking whether work is good or not is subjective but I would argue that there are certain elements a story needs to be objectively good. It generally needs well developed characters, a good plotline that has a problem, climax and solution, etc. The plot has to move forward somehow. The characters need to be likeable in SOME way. Right now the characters have the personality of a cardboard box at chapter 64. which is very concerning, She hinted at showing Seungho's background story but did not and there is barely any info on Nakyum's background. Both characters are simply like Seungho said, two naked bodies having sex or rape for 64 chapters. There is very little resemblance of a plot here. The author started with SOMETHING but if it doesn't amount to ANYTHING by this stage, it causes audiences to lash out. For something to be a story, it can't just be the same thing happening over and over again, it needs enough change to actually be called progress. It's not just complete free for all and whatever you do is good. Sometimes when a majority of people's opinions point to a negative aspect of your work, it could very well be valid and sometimes its not. I'd argue this time it is because she essentially started off with Seungho having this kind of relationship with Nakyum, profess his love to him but then revert back to doing what he has always done so basically the kidnapping and all the shit that happened in between, might as well not have happened. If you took that part out at this moment, the story wouldn't be different at all. People want progress in the story.

Seriously can people just chill and enjoy the story? Yes the plot is slow paced and frustrating right now but just trust the author. She knows where she is going with this.

OK! I better understand your point and the burger analogy also helped. You make a fair point; it was wrong of me to assume something that isn’t really definite (as the story is still ongoing) and expect everyone to think the same especially when character development was promised. Having paid, it does feel like a waste because we are nearing the end of S2 and it feels like all I’ve seen was rape, some minor plot and the even more rape and so I just assumed it’d be that cycle over and over again. Perhaps I should have been more considerate on the audience’s views so thank you for that. Despite it being her story, it doesn’t mean it can’t be criticized... and that’s the area I was tapping into. Negative doesn’t always mean they’re bad and at times, are helpful! I get it but within those general neg comments... where do we draw the line when people are not just being negative but just downright assholes?

My last argument was really hinged off of your statement about freedom of speech and people being allowed to say whatever. That’s what I’m trying to understand. I agree that people are entitled to this right but at what cost?

That's true. I often question "at what cost"? But then it goes into the territory of what can you say and what can't you say and unfortunately that's subjective. Because some people might find one comment to be offensive but other people find it not offensive. So who's right? I mean there has been an iffy problem in the US about "hate speech" such as what is it defined as because its different according to different groups of people so its hard to control.

Sucks, I guess there are somethings that’ll you’ll have to get let be and keep it pushing. Can’t put a valve on everything. Anyways ~ It’s been long, but your comments are appreciated! Have a good one. :)